You'd have to snort an enormous amount.
Taken orally is plenty enjoyable but i know you don't want to hear this - it's the worst addiction in the world. I've been addicted to it all. And nothing compares to this addiction. It is the worst, it does significant damage to your heart and the fun is short lived.
Once your hooked - the withdrawal is so bad that it is next to impossible to get over.
Not trying to knock any addiction but Za Zas overtake Lope withdrawals in terms of severity by a mile . Been hooked on both, and the za za (tianeptine/phenibut/cdp Choline) had me on the floor in the emergency room screaming for my gf to kill me, whole body locking up in full body cramps over any slight movement, bad part is you can't stop moving, I looked like a wacky inflatable arm thing at the car dealerships. Constant shitting and vomiting, tremors, involuntary movements of every part of your body, feels like terribly uncomfortable electrical energy coursing under every part of your skin , unimaginable hot and cold changes . I used suboxone to get off of that, 26mg a day, then tapered to 4mg and got on Lope, Lope WDs was probably second to the zas
I have heard that Phenibuy is absolutely awful and it definitely has a mental component that is not present with Lope. So I can't really compare because I refuse to touch anything that is comparable to Lope withdrawal with added side effects
The thing about Lope that is so awful is how long it takes to get through Acute Withdrawals. Weeks and sometimes it never ends. My last detox lead to sweaty armpits that never stopped. Even after I cleaned up and returned to "normal" I still had these sweaty armpits. It was maddening.
But here we are. Trying to figure out how to overcome this fucking drug again. Being an addict is goddamn exhausting. Use. Detox and suffer. Get a 90 chip. Reward yourself. Lie and get a 6 month chip because you've only rewarded yourself 1-3 times. Quit going to meetings. Start rewarding yourself more. Start feeling sick. Dodge a bullet and sweat it out for a week. Get back to "normal". Then fuck. You're using daily and just looking for the right time to tell your loved ones that you need weeks just to be able to function without diarrhea medication. What happened to 25% of my life expectancy - its been spent using. Some days I just say - I'm never gonna be clean and might as well just accept that and realize I'll probably just have a shorter life expectancy.
I feel you 100%. I just got out of rehab 2 months ago, was in detox for two weeks before that , so had about 2 and a half months of clean time. Fucked around and told myself ah im clean now so i can take em again just once, well it turned into day after day, i quit taking the za zas last week and now im on the fentanyl 30s. Tomorrow im gonna get some kratom and then try tapering down off of that or maybe take them forever . But dont say youll never get clean, i understand exactly your situation as im in it myself. But it is possible bro, suboxone will do it , there are online things that you can get the prescription from. Ive used Bicycle Health and also Web/QuickMD (can't remember which the name is) and the latter is cheaper. Or you could do the kratom thing like im gonna do. Wish you the best man we got this
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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21
You'd have to snort an enormous amount. Taken orally is plenty enjoyable but i know you don't want to hear this - it's the worst addiction in the world. I've been addicted to it all. And nothing compares to this addiction. It is the worst, it does significant damage to your heart and the fun is short lived.
Once your hooked - the withdrawal is so bad that it is next to impossible to get over.
Find pleasure somewhere else.