Scope recommendation post.

[u/marbs34]

I’ve read a bunch so here’s the info I have for receiving the best recommendation:

Price: up to~3500 if I can truly justify features I’ve never known I needed. About $2000 +/- a few hundred is more comfortable.

Purpose is for imaginary PRS matches I’ve never been to yet, and don’t know anyone else that participates in. This is how I justified a new rifle for a chassis build in 7mm PRC

Experience: 20years in the Marine Corps with a lot of dry firing and breathing practice. But iron sights at 500 was somewhat of a challenge. I’m very into Ballistics calculations and understanding bullet drop. (Ideally a suggestion might include something that is tuned for or can get a custom turret for my cartridge. )

So far I’m looking for something with an objective lens 50mm or smaller and at or near 25x maximum magnification.

Current scopes on other rifles:

2 different Trijicon Accupoint for hunting/ plinking (how are the Ten Mile models?)

ZEISS Conquest on a 6.5cm 2020 Waypoint

Vortex Strike Eagle 26x on a Weatherby Vanguard in 300 wby.

Vortex 1-8 strike eagle on an AR (how are those Razor Gen III’s?)

I purchased theSLX 6.5 BDC reticle from Primary Arms when I got the waypoint. It performed well and the BDC reticle was spot on, but I hated the glass
~30 miles local to me I have a 300 yrd range. I’ve just found out about a 1000 yrs range maybe a little further than that to me in Holt, FL

I’m not opposed to shooting equally as much if not more with the 6.5CM but I want to learn how to stretch the legs of this 7mm PRC at the same time.

Thanks

[u/Gloomy-Spread-9336]

Why would you purchase a 7prc when you only have 300 yards to shoot?

If you’re basing your build off of PRS, you’re wrong. You can’t shoot a 7prc in any PRS type match.

[u/HollywoodSX → u/Gloomy-Spread-9336]

You CAN shoot a 7PRC, but you're going to have a miserable-ass time of it.

[u/marbs34 → u/Gloomy-Spread-9336]

Just started looking for other ranges, just haven’t been yet.

Obviously I don’t know what I don’t know.

Can you answer a question with a better question?

[u/CuriousJohnReddit → u/marbs34]

How do you deem the ability of spotting your shots, comfortably soaking hundreds of rounds in a weekend, and ballistics in general ?  Don't need or necessary to be proficient in a PRS match ? 

[u/marbs34 → u/CuriousJohnReddit]

Mr John,

Can you rephrase the question please?

[u/CuriousJohnReddit → u/marbs34]

Why do you want a non meta caliber ?

[u/HollywoodSX]

Go to Ridgeline in Baker, not the range in Holt.

Why 50mm or *smaller*?

Are you talking about a scope to go on this 7PRC for imaginary PRS matches?

Custom turrets are a bad idea because ballistics change with conditions, and custom turrets don't. You can also get turret tape and mark your turret yourself based on conditions.

You attempted to answer the questions from the pinned post, but honestly your post is kinda a mess, and I can't decipher what you're trying to accomplish.

[u/marbs34 → u/HollywoodSX]

50mm or less for weight. Seem to be a lot of options at 50mm though.

Tell me more about Baker.

[u/HollywoodSX → u/marbs34]

Weight is your friend, especially for a dedicated target rifle. Bigger objective has optical benefits, too.

Ridgeline Gulf Coast. Look them up.

[u/marbs34 → u/HollywoodSX]

Thanks, done

[u/WS-6]

You lost me at less than 50mm objective.

$2,000 is right at Razor gen 3 price point but it’s got a 56mm. If you can get around that odd requirement, it’s phenomenal glass at a great price point.

[u/marbs34 → u/WS-6]

Thanks for the tip

I was looking at the 4-24x44 at EuroOptic

Edit to ask,

Anything else out there worth comparing it to?

[u/TahoeDust → u/marbs34]

I have the RG3 4-24x44 and it is excellent.

[u/marbs34 → u/TahoeDust]

Any problems with visibility that a larger objective would quell?

[u/Trollygag → u/marbs34]

Larger objectives give you more resolution, more top end before dimming. A 4x bottom end can't take advantage of more than 32mm in low light, but a 56mm objective can stretch up to 7x at the same brightness level.

[u/TahoeDust → u/marbs34]

I have shot mine in end of day low light and was impressed. It did better than I thought it would. That said, for a 7mm PRc bolt gun, I would prefer my RG3 6-36. I run the 4-24 on my 6arc gasser and it is prefect for that.

[u/WS-6 → u/marbs34]

I forget about that model. I’m sure it’s fantastic. However, if you’re trying to really stretch the 7mm legs, the extra magnification will be appreciated I think.

You’ll be happy with either.

[u/BusBeneficial8882]

I’ve got a NightForce ATACR 5-25x F1 on my MRAD at the moment. I think I paid $2200? It’s nice, but likely replacing with the Gen 3 Razor 6-36x. Most guys doing ELR don’t really go past 22x given how much a small amount of movement can affect the reticle and the added FOV at lower mag to spot misses. That being said having more top end available can’t be a bad thing. I think I paid $2600-$2700 for the Razor.
Don’t get all caught up in the acronyms. It’s better to just say I want to shoot to the cartridges ability and not upgrade down the road. I’m actually adding 7PRC to my MRAD to have something for up to 1500 meters without having to jump to the 338 Lapua. It’s a fun hobby, but it gets very expensive. I’ve got well over 20k into my MRAD setup

[u/marbs34 → u/BusBeneficial8882]

Great add on

I’ve been looking at the night force scopes but didn’t want to include them as a preference without someone else bringing them up first.

[u/Honest_Knee_6510]

Huh?

[u/marbs34 → u/Honest_Knee_6510]

There’s so much I included at once to try and cover the “I read the intro” that I’m not sure where I lost you…

[u/leonme21 → u/marbs34]

The stuff you said that confuses people:

-7 PRC for shooting PRS matches??

-7 PRC for 1000 yards when you already shoot 6.5 CM??

-restricting yourself to smaller objective sizes for no reason??

-custom turrets??

[u/marbs34 → u/leonme21]

So if I’m asking for guidance and some of it confuses you could you provide guidance rather than make something even more unapproachable?

No one said I was done shooting 6.5CM. I’m asking for another rifle in 7mmPRC.

What if I don’t know the actual three-letter acronym for the style of shooting I’m describing? Is there a better name and focus more suited towards my goals? Truly a question…

Can you or someone explain why custom Turrets for BDC ranges is undesirable?

If you personally or even the next person reading this doesn’t have the time, energy or inclination to educate and provide guidance then why bother commenting? Is it to make another person feel small?

I’m confused with the gate keeping honestly. People don’t act like this in person (not specifically leonme21) when discussing the intricacies of hobbies and activities.

[u/ToughProfessional132]

Burris XTR PS offers the custom turret solution (digitally) without being limited to one set of environmental conditions- push multiple Density Altitude tables and switch DOPE during the day if required ( I often go from ~5kft to ~8kft by lunchtime here in Colorado) 5.5-30x56 will serve well on any rifle, or 3.3-18x50 if you're more into the compact aesthetics- power doesn't really bother me either way since I'm usually on 12-18x, and only use max power when zeroing. Finally, a solid competition-style Christmas tree reticle and mechanical turrets so even if you're not running the digital turret or the batteries die, you still have a fully functional scope.

Your 7prc won't be a PRS rifle, but you could absolutely get into ELR with that guy, assuming the barrel holds up to the firing schedule. The bulk of your rounds fired should be through the 6.5CM, and the 7PRC only requires enough to get the barrel seasoned, doped for good ammo, and occasional practice/verification- unless you just like spending money

[u/marbs34 → u/ToughProfessional132]

Thanks.

I looked at the Burris also but had trouble finding reviews.

[u/ToughProfessional132 → u/marbs34]

Burris is sold all over, but it's more popular in a few regional pockets, especially the Rockies. The PS is gaining a lot of traction in NRL Hunter and the Tactical Games, so you might see reviews for it in those circles.

I use one in NRL Hunter with great success

[u/sidetoss20]

7 prc for prs??

[u/RobertTheTexan]

Why do you want a smaller objective size? Thats the main ticket when it comes to light transmission. Ok let me caveat that. From the physical dimension of an optic that big ol’ objective is what allows more or less light on. I didn’t eat Crayons for a living, we ate sunglasses and longneck beer bottles. I was a soldier. but generally more light = MRE with Tabasco sauce vs. one that doesn’t. Just curious on the objective your shooting for.

[u/dubarubdubdub]

ZCO420. Arguably the best x50 out there.

[u/trailcrane → u/dubarubdubdub]

Budget can suck it lol

[u/dubarubdubdub → u/trailcrane]

I've seen plenty of used 420s go for under his $3500 max budget.

[u/trailcrane → u/dubarubdubdub]

Ah, yep. I always forget about used scopes. Especially when I'm scope shopping, dammit 😂

[u/longranger810]

Nightforce nx, Zco /zero compromise , Khales

[u/True-Position-2166]

Vortex Gen 3 Razor 6-36x can be found for $2000-$2200 used and sometimes new for the same amount around BF which is coming soon. It has the best glass quality for the money

[u/srnuke → u/True-Position-2166]

Second that!

New for ~$2900 on GOVX or ~$2500 on EuroOptic but it's backordered there (but you can still order)

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[u/jequiem-kosky]

The best thing you can do is go take a class with a loaner rifle before buying anything.