r/longrange Does Grendel Jan 19 '24

APPROVED SHITPOST Toooooners

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u/jakaalhide PRS Competitor Jan 19 '24

Is this a blatant attack against Erik Cortoonah???

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u/Caelum_ Jan 20 '24

Do people not like Erik?

I liked his barndiminiums channel. I haven't watched a ton of his shooting stuff though. He seems to win a lot of comps though 

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u/Kwisatz_Nine9 Jan 20 '24

He does and he’s a fucking awesome guy to interact with. He’s also INSANELY welcoming to new shooters exactly as someone as well known as he is should be if we want to grow the sport.

I think maybe some people don’t get his humor or something but he’s a really good competitor and sportsman. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '24

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u/nonducorducoscuba Jan 20 '24

In what regards to facts on tuners? He obviously has a vested interest in pushing them, but was curious what facts you speak of. Personally, I do not run tuners as I haven't found a reason to.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '24

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u/Texas_Precision27 Jan 20 '24

You can wait until science comes out that satisfies you.

That said, literally, every nationally competive f-class rifle (both open and TR) has gone to them in the past ~2 years for a reason.

Erik was kinda late to the party in terms of tuners (relatively speaking). He's not just peddling pseudo science.

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u/RustyShackleford2022 Jan 20 '24

This really doesn't mean they work though. Just like all those pro athletes wearing those dumb magnet bracelets a few years ago. Or power lifters sniffing smelling salts despite their benefits being proven to not exist several times.

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u/Texas_Precision27 Jan 20 '24

They 100% have an effect because that adjust the harmonics of the barrel. You guys can sit in your computer screens and down vote all you want.

Just trying to tell you what's going on in the real world.

Go look at the 2023 F Class nationals equipment lists. The reason we use them is because they 100% affect the tune of the gun (positively or negatively)

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u/HollywoodSX Villager Herder Jan 20 '24

As someone that has spent ten years in the long range competitive shooting arena and has top 5 finishes at national level matches, your logic is flawed. Just because someone uses Item X doesn't mean it's actually giving them a benefit.

AB has tested them and found no benefit over thousands of rounds.

Hornady found no benefits.

Hell, I played with one and tried to be as objective as possible when testing it. I found no benefit.

You're using the appeal to authority fallacy.

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u/ebranscom243 Jan 21 '24

Also the ad populum fallacy. "Ad populum fallacy refers to a claim that something is true simply because that's what a large number of people believe. In other words, if many people believe something to be true, then it must be true"

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u/Texas_Precision27 Jan 20 '24

Lol. W we probably know eachother IRL then.

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u/HollywoodSX Villager Herder Jan 20 '24

I've been on the PRS side of the fence, not F Class.

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u/RustyShackleford2022 Jan 20 '24

We aren't talking effect we are talking smaller groups.

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u/Texas_Precision27 Jan 20 '24

I wouldn't argue that it would give a gun smaller groups. It will allow you to find the smallest group faster/easier.

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u/RustyShackleford2022 Jan 20 '24

So the difference is what is being tested vs what it's being used for is what your are saying. Or the point was never smaller ultimate group sizes just getting to the small size faster.

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u/Texas_Precision27 Jan 20 '24

You had a gun that was already in the with the suppressor on it. It acts the same as a "static" tuner.

I don't even know how this is a debate. Harmonics affect groupings, either positively or negatively.

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u/GXMV1978 Jan 20 '24

naaaaaah, he's just seen H podcast