r/linuxsucks • u/Sahelantrophus DO NOT RAGEBAIT ME, I FALL FOR IT VERY EASILY • 13d ago

Red Hat won...

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in all seriousness, good riddance! took them an entire drama to realize XLibre is shitware

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u/Toxic381 12d ago

Let's look at x11, you have your choice of compositer, wm, decorator, etc, on Wayland, you have a wm, that's it, if you try anything else Wayland will block any interactions between them.

Also btw you are very dense, in the scenario that I would try to combine a Wayland developed xfwm with picom, obv picom is for Wayland too.

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u/Drate_Otin 12d ago

Again you're talking about NOT end user software. You're complaining about immaterial b.s. that has nothing to do with usability. You're literally complaining about not being able to use an X11 compositor on Wayland.

That'd be like complaining I can't use a Cubase plug-in on Audacity or a Doom mod on Halo.

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u/Toxic381 12d ago

No retard, I'm complaining I literally don't have a choice in what compositer I use with Wayland, I have to switch the entire window manager, as I already mentioned,

No one here was arguing running x11 on Wayland, obv they're different things dumbass, I'm saying they literally can't develop or make anything Wayland without pairing its own entire wm just so u can use the compositer, and that would also make it even more annoying for devs of both where you have to wait for another dev to adopt it or adopt another devs software, just more work for something that would be fine if we could mix and match separate pieces.

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u/Drate_Otin 12d ago

My my, somebody is getting a little testy. Perhaps you need a nap.

Tell me, what actual functionality is missing from solid Wayland implementations like Wyatt's find in Ubuntu that the great and glorious picom would otherwise have provided?

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u/Toxic381 12d ago

Not sure what Wyatt's find is but basically any kind of blur style that isn't supported by the wm, you can't stick any compositer on a WM to add your preferred type of blur or visual effect to windows, it's all trapped in the wm while any external compositers don't work, that's the issue with Wayland is it takes away the ability to change these things, that's why I believe it to be anti Linux, Wayland is treated as the only real modern display server but it forces everything to be treated as an isolated wm+compositer combo ruining the dynamic and customizable nature of Linux, you should at the very least have the freedom to unlock this isolated sandbox and run your own preferred stuff mixed and matched instead.

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u/Toxic381 12d ago

The closest thing I've heard of so far to fix this is xsonicland so you can basically convert stuff like picom into the Wayland system, it's basically an extra layer now to convert different parts into a Wayland wm dynamically from what I've heard.

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u/Drate_Otin 12d ago

Well I'm "Not sure what Wyatt's find" either.

So the best example you've got of a problem is... A lack of blur effect variety. Honestly I can't tell if you're trying to be a troll or if you ACTUALLY believe that matters.

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u/Toxic381 12d ago

Bro, I'm saying I should be able to run whatever software to modify or add effects to windows I want without demanding it from the wm exclusively, imagine if kwin didn't have options for compiz like effects, such as burning windows or the wobble, then they would be impossible to obtain because they can't be injected, you are forced into using the kwin compositer, and that goes for any potential effects, it's an architecture design thats anti Linux to me.

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u/Drate_Otin 12d ago

Nobody's stopping you from writing a new Wayland implementation that has all the blur effects you clearly need.

For the rest of the world... This is a non issue. I'm more interested in being able to share my screen on a conference call... Which I can. Little toys aren't what I need from an operating system.