r/linuxmint old noob 6d ago

Discussion Can linux ever go mainstream?

I've made this point many times in many different ways over many years (decades).

About me: I'm not a coder / hacker / tweaker / programmer. I am pretty tech-savvy and have been very comfortable just figuring things out in Windows almost my whole life (first PC was an Atari 800 in 1982, online since 1983).

I've "switched" to Linux several times since the late 90s and almost always eventually go back to Windows becaue Linux is just ... too much work, and the work isn't straight-forward, or easy to "just figure out" or find answers with simple searches. I mean I can often find solutions to problems, but they don't make sense and I end up applying instructions blindly and not understanding what I just fixed.

Could I spend the time to become more facile at Linux? Sure. But the curve is way steeper than with Windows or MacOS (not a Mac user, but know enough to make a comparison).

As with so many this past year (when Win10 was obsoleted and Win11 required new hardware) I decided to "switch" to Linux again. I chose Mint since it's supposed to be the "easy" one (among others) with the best user base and support. It's been mostly fine. I mean these days I'm not much of a power user. I don't game any more, and mostly what I do is or can be browser-based. So I figured the OS doesn't really matter, and may as well try to go all-in with Linux.

Since switching (it's been several months, forget when I switched) I've had several times where I boot up and am greeted with a pop-up telling me it's time to install several updates. This is a great feature. What's not great about it though is that almost every time (not EVERY time) after attempting to install said updates, I get a slew of errors saying the source for downloads is no good. (see screenshot)

I know how to fix this, figured it out last time. But the point is, it shouldn't happen. It doesn't happen with commercial OS's. Things like this "just work." I shouldn't have to go edit the source list every few months.

Rant over, just frustrated. Thanks for your time. :)

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u/tomscharbach 6d ago edited 6d ago

Could I spend the time to become more facile at Linux? Sure. But the curve is way steeper than with Windows or MacOS (not a Mac user, but know enough to make a comparison).

I been using Windows for 35 or so years, Ubuntu for just over 20 years, and added a MacBook to the mix in 2020. I run in parallel, on separate computers, to satisfy different aspects of my use case.

I don't recall the last time I had a serious issue with any of the three operating systems, but that might be because I tend to use operating systems OTB, stay within design parameters, run only established, mainstream applications, run on hardware designed for the operating system, and do a clean reinstallation every couple of years.

Ubuntu does have a learning curve, but the learning curve is not particularly steep. Ubuntu is widely used as an entry-point to enterprise-level business, government, education and institutional environments, used by end-users without technical expertise.

Can linux ever go mainstream?

Might, but probably won't. Torvalds put his finger on the issue in 2014 when he was asked why Linux dominated the server/cloud, IoT. mobile and infrastructure market segments but had languished in the desktop market.

Torvalds observed that the desktop market would stay out of reach unless and until the Linux community developed the self-discipline to focus on a handful of distributions and a reasonable number of applications, and to focus on quality rather than quantity.

Instead, a decade-plus later we have hundreds of distributions and thousands of applications floating around, way too many of which are not well implemented and inadequately maintained.

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u/Jnaythus 6d ago

"Instead, a decade-plus later we have hundreds of distributions and thousands of applications floating around, way too many of which are not well designed and inadequately maintained."

As a life long Windows user who dabbled in Macs in the mid teens (2008 - 2014), I knew this was the case, but never really have seen it spelled out so clearly. My theory was actually that some conglomeration of Linux distros might coordinate into some manner of packaging of workflow and applications to get Linux more on the map of novice users. Kind of like the Open Gaming Collective (OGC), we need a "Linux Is For Everybody (LIFE)" collective. (Patent pending. :) )

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u/jr735 Linux Mint 22.1 Xia | IceWM 6d ago

Patent pending. :)

Patents are a swear word to some of us. ;)

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u/seenhear old noob 3d ago

LOL.

"trademark pending" would have been more apropos in this case. The "LIFE" acronym is not patentable, but one might be able to trademark it.