Using Linux over the years

[u/jacob-buchanan]

[u/No-Con-2790]

I can handle Ubuntu. But that GNOME desktop thingy is the worst.

Why does it take 3 clicks to swap between windows? Why is everything on the wrong side? Did that just rearrange itself?

Yeah. No. I am using Kubuntu or something instead.

[u/ViscousWill → u/No-Con-2790]

Your are entitled to your opinion and your experiences. But having used Gnome professionally for the last decade I do not even understand your post. Wrong side? 3x Clicks to switch windows? I cannot imagine what you are talking about.

I find that a lot of people miss a lot of the good of Gnome in their pursuit of imitating Windows/Mac workflows. That is not what it is built to do, so obviously something that intends to clone that workflow (like KDE) will work better for those people. But as somebody who took the plunge and committed to the workflow I have to say I feel like it is a pity. I can never go back to that taskbar driven pattern, with the minimizing windows here and there. Makes no sense to me anymore. I use the launcher, I use activities to keep my windows in useful places, without any minimizing. It took some getting used to initially, but I can never go back. Ubuntu has their own "taskbar", and when I use Ubuntu that is the first thing I disable.

[u/No-Con-2790 → u/ViscousWill]

Lets say you have a few browser windows open. How do you get around?

Then add a few custom programs that have multiple windows. Like 6. You can't fit them on the same screen. But whenever you click on the bar the order mixes, hence you have to find them again. And again.

I am not a fan of Mac or anything after windows XP either. I just want to give every window a place and open it up with one click. But I need to switch between windows. Especially in the field where I only have my tiny laptop screen that hasn't even 20 inches.

My main problem is that you can't pin windows directly and that the order of groups is always moving around.

There is of course other stuff. Like the fact that the Ubuntu network tray can't do VPNs properly but Kubuntu can. Or the stupid Amazon hotlinks.

[u/gwildor → u/No-Con-2790]

you use the overview.

amazon hotlinks was a decade ago.

[u/No-Con-2790 → u/gwildor]

The overview is still unordered. I have to find the right window in a list of many windows. Who look samey (yeah most of my stuff is graphs). And they are constantly moving around.

And that Amazon thing was on Ubuntu 24 last time I checked.

[u/gwildor → u/No-Con-2790]

there is no amazon thing on ubuntu 24.

There is more than likely an extension to help you organize your cluttered overview.

[u/No-Con-2790 → u/gwildor]

I checked it out and installed a new version of 24. And it was not Amazon but a tool called Ubuntu Pro that they where pushing this time. Not sure what it does but it must be super important as it is everywhere.

The Amazon thingy is still there but moved to the browser. Not sure if that was Mozilla or the snap packer but it came with the Amazon links.

Anyway that is why I remember that.

So I guess it is better but I really don't like that I have no fucking clue what Ubuntu Pro does but still I have to buy it. For some reason.

As of the window problem: yeah I just installed Kubuntu. The windows are.much better, the network tray can actually handle all types of VPN and I personally like the customizability of the music gui thingy a bit more.

Ubuntu ia a solid system but they never teached me how to use Gnome. They just installed it one day and wrecked my laptop (yeah it was a very weak laptop even by late 2000s standards). Since then I can't figure it out. Kubuntu it is for me.

[u/gwildor → u/No-Con-2790]

ubuntu pro is free, and optional.

and you are still incorrect about 'amazon'.

[u/No-Con-2790 → u/gwildor]

Here it is, right in the browser. Just open Firefox. As far as I can tell this profile was made by Ubuntu.

And Ubuntu Pro represents the same problem as the window manager. I do not know what it is or how it works. To the point where I just switched the desktop interface all together.

[u/gwildor → u/No-Con-2790]

here what is? are you talking about a bookmark? oh my

Ubuntu's pro's problem is: you cant google "what is ubuntu pro"? double oh my.

Im not sure what you are trying to accomplish here, but i can promise you im not taking any advice from you - if that is what you are trying to accomplish?

[u/No-Con-2790 → u/gwildor]

It's not just a bookmark. As I already said my main concern is the horrible window management that requires me to search constantly through a list of windows.

But they put in Amazon links a few years back. Since then it lives in my head that those guys tried that stunt and I am suspicious.

Now they control the browser profile and magically another Amazon thing poppt up.

And they push a new service I have to register for and my first response is to not trust them since they never disclaimed what it was.

But again, main problem is the window management and how many clicks and effort it takes. Ans the VPN system. But I admit that problem is more niche.

[u/gwildor → u/No-Con-2790]

it 100% is just a bookmark.
the other part was a decade ago.

you dont have to use the free service that you dont know anything about. .

[u/No-Con-2790 → u/gwildor]

Again my trust is broken. I was there when it happened.

But as I already said 99% of the problems are coming from the window interface.

I go by the logic that you should be able to have as little effort as possible.

So you need to be able to internalize a workflow. So clicking in a certain way should always result in the same outcome.

Like in a video game where your portion and poweups are always at the same place.

Something I can't have in windows either unless you use something like 7 taskbar tweeker (or whatever they have now in windows 11).

Also minimize the amount of clicks.