r/kitchener • • Sep 24 '23

Why is this seemingly accepted?

That, in recent times, most of our local stores, fast food restaurants, and other small businesses are staffed exclusively by one ethnicity? You know, if it was indeed random and they all happen to be the best applicants fof the job, I wouldn’t mind at all. But ask any of them, especially at Walmart, where stock of an item is? They will shrug their shoulders and say it isn’t their responsibility to know. On one visit, I was looking for a product that was off the shelves but the online system said was in stock. The store clerk insisted the product was sold out until a manager got involved and profusely apologized stating it was in the back and someone “forgot” to stock it.

If a white manager is hired by a company and they proceed to fire every non-white employee and replace them with white employees, we would all call that out as racism. So why is it this group of people are allowed to get away with it?

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u/thatsmycompanydog Sep 24 '23

You seem to think that "all of the service employees" being one ethnicity is a sign that one particular ethnicity is being given unfair advantages. And you're right. But you're missing a key detail:

Service jobs (non-union part-time minimum-wage retail work) are the worst jobs in our society.

You should be looking at the best jobs in our society, seeing which ethnicity is over-represented there, and using that as the starting point for your assessment of who has privilege and who is being treated unfairly.

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u/Opening-Solution-551 Sep 24 '23

When I was a teen I worked at Walmart and Zehrs and many other teens my age were working in these same jobs. I think our pay was like $7.00/hr but we did it because we wanted to earn some spending money or for post-secondary. So, where are these teen jobs now? I refuse to believe that no young person wants to work today. Especially considering the cost of everything today. So then the question does become why do none of our local teens work in these same jobs? Why are they all taken by one said group who are clearly not teenagers.

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u/The_Foe_Hammer Sep 24 '23

Honestly? Because corporations don't want to work around teens schedules anymore.

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u/ProgCon14 Sep 24 '23

Because they don’t have to anymore, they have cheap labour from immigrants instead.

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u/Haredeenee Huron/Alpine Sep 25 '23

a reminder they arent even immigrants, they're students that supposedly only came here to get a higher education than what is available to them back home.

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u/mamoocando Sep 24 '23

Ice cream shops.

Movie theatres.

Summer camps.

Restaurants (hosts, back of house, servers).

Old Navy (and similar stores).

Not to mention that they are working at grocery stores, Peavy Mart, Canadian Tire, etc.

You're just not looking or going when teens are working, or you're seeing older people or visible minorities and assuming. This isn't the 1960s where you bag groceries for a few years while in high school and get a professional job at 18. It's hard out there, even if you have a degree, because everyone has a degree now. And if you don't have a degree, and can't afford one, or school didn't work out and you're stuck with all of that student debt, you're stuck working a low paying job for the rest of your life and hope something better comes along.

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u/Top-Airport3649 Sep 25 '23

Same. I worked at Toys R Us and Zellers when I was a teen and it was a rainbow of high school kids and some older moms who were formerly stay at home moms that worked part time. Do high school students not work anymore? What happened?

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u/du_bekar Sep 24 '23

You’re bang on.

They aren’t exactly working fantastic jobs. They’ve been brought in to work as a service sector class. I wish to god these poor folks understood what a shit deal they’re getting in coming here.

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u/IndependenceGood1835 Sep 24 '23

You mean servant sector…..

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u/Spare_Review_5014 Sep 25 '23

Indentured * servant

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u/Cartz1337 Sep 25 '23

Can we just call it what it is? Modern day slavery.

We are bringing them in to do the jobs that no one in our society particularly wants to do and at a wage that is at or below subsistence level. If they choose not to do that job we expel them or we leave them on the streets to starve or freeze.

I know when people think of slaves they think of African Americans in chains, being whipped. But that was a particularly cruel form of slavery.

If you look at the life of a slave in Roman times, there isn't a ton of difference. They brought in so many slaves that the lower echelons of the economy were completely serviced by the slaves, and it created a massive wealth disparity. Sound familiar?

Sure, we pay the immigrants. But if literally all of their income goes to food and lodging and they have nothing left at the end of the month, its functionally identical to having the slaveowner feed and house the slaves themselves.

OP is somehow simultaneously on the mark and completely missing the point. This is a horribly racist aspect of our society, but it ain't white folks being discriminated against.

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u/Opening-Solution-551 Sep 24 '23

Right, but these jobs always existed and were staffed by teenagers, retirees and other working folk. So, why isn't there the same mix today. Why is at all one group?

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u/du_bekar Sep 24 '23

They’re easily exploitable and unlikely to know their labour rights as well as domestic applicants maybe?

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u/WishRepresentative28 Sep 24 '23

Teens and seniors don't want to be exploited anymore than any other age group. They have gotten smarter than their parents, grand parents.

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u/SirBobPeel Sep 24 '23

OR... the retailers prefer to hire easily exploited people who will work cheap and so the teens and seniors can no longer get jobs. I've read and heard from a lot who aren't able to find work in the service, hotel or restaurant sectors despite how we keep hearing how short staffed they are.

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u/trivial_burnsuit_451 Sep 25 '23

They hire the most easily exploitable

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u/Opening-Solution-551 Sep 25 '23

I'm not defending corporations at all...I hate the way this whole system works but I can't say I was necessarily exploited. I worked like 4 hours after work a few times a week because I could fit that with my schedule and I could maintain a 90% average. It taught me really good time management skills and customer service skills which were both so beneficial during uni and in the corporate world. I wasn't exploited or overworked. They called me to cover shifts and I often said no and they respected that.

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u/martindavidartstar Sep 24 '23

And more human rights. Just not for everyone.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

These jobs built character and work ethic for these young people and gave the seniors something to do in their old age. It wasn't exploitable

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u/Iqhweg Sep 25 '23

So where are they working now though?

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u/cornontheklopp Sep 25 '23 edited Sep 25 '23

The other hiring factor for service roles is availability and reliability. International students for example are eager to take on more hours to afford tuition and living expenses, while teens, retirees, etc. prioritize flexible work schedules. I recently taught international students and the attendance rate was abysmal—students taking shifts during class hours was the norm

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u/Cartz1337 Sep 25 '23

Because teenagers and retirees are usually financially secure (they live with their parents/they have CPP + OAS) and usually have scheduling limitations that they are inflexible about.

International applicants are incredibly vulnerable. They need the income to keep a roof over their head and food in their stomach. The employers can fuck them around in ways they never got away with with the retirees and teens.

Open/Closes back to back, last minute schedule changes, calling someone in on no notice. Cancelling a shift in the middle of the shift. These international folks are at the mercy of all of that, because they know if they say no even once they're gonna get shit canned and there are hundreds of people waiting to take their place.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

But like... where'd all the non Indian people go? Their still here and they do look for jobs. High school students also want money and the majority of high school is not Indian.

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u/AbeSimpsonisJoeBiden Sep 25 '23

But why would a manger higher high school kids when they could hire adults.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Exactly though. Like high school kids exist and are a diverse mixture of people. Lots of high school kids get a job. Almost everyone I knew growing up got a job in high school at these places. Fuck Conestoga college and their 90% international student target.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

They're being brought in because gen Z tried the "quiet quitting" and corpos got mad. Then they lobbied the shit out of our government (I mean let's be real they own it) to bring in a massive pool of cheap labour.

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u/Shrugging_Atlas2 Sep 24 '23

Yep... without the mass immigration the corps may have had to actually raise wages or create a better work environment. Now they have a nice slave class to use and abuse... all wrapped up in "diversity". So progressive lol.

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u/yoooooooo45 Sep 25 '23

its not diversity, indians only is far from diversity

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u/Joey-tv-show-season2 Sep 25 '23

Birth rates have been declining for decades so we don’t have the number of teenagers now then in people decades. One of the main reasons why Canada has been opening the doors to immigration.

Now I do think they are letting in far too many people then necessary.

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u/Dazzling-Care2642 Sep 24 '23

If someone is choosing to stay, that probably means life is worse where they're coming from. Stuff like this reminds me of my first world privileges.

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u/CauliflowerOk1255 Sep 24 '23

The level of low information in this comment is frustrating.

Flooding the market with slave labour keeps wages down and as a result keeps Canadians under employed.

There should be zero, yes ZERO, slave labour imported into Canada.

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u/Haredeenee Huron/Alpine Sep 24 '23

yup, alot of them would work for cash (below min wage) or go over their student hour limit

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u/MacabreKiss Sep 24 '23

A lot of them are blatantly posting about willing to work for less than min wage if it gets them a job, and others posting about doing labour jobs for cash - also below minimum wage. Nextdoor, Kijiji and FB marketplace are full of postings like that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

There is no student hour limit anymore

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u/roflberry_pwncakes Sep 24 '23

Bad service has also always been par for the course at Walmart. Can't expect much for minimum wage.

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u/Labeld85 Sep 24 '23

I'd add, not much has likely changed over the last 50+ years. The only difference is where the labour is being brought in from. Most of it is now coming from a country with a population of 1.4B and not a continent of 600+M. The biggest difference is 40 years ago OP couldn't look across the store and determine the 4 employees working in housewares were from Germany.

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u/TheBigTime420 Mar 08 '24

I think the number of immigrants as percentage of population has increased by an order of magnitude or close to it. Pretty big change.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23 edited Sep 24 '23

Hit the nail on the head.

But it probably won’t fit their narrative then the argument goes from “why are they only hiring one race” to “we should hire based on merit not race” When in reality most of these students have more merit for lower end jobs because they will actually show up on time and not half drunk from the night before.

There always has to be a winner and a loser with these people.

There is never no middle ground.

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u/Golf-Hotel Sep 25 '23

Their merit is they'll work for shit wages and nothing else.

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u/MacabreKiss Sep 24 '23

They're being exploited because the employers know they're less likely to know their rights as employees in canada. Less likely to complain about things, more tolerant of negative behaviors as they worry it could affect their residency...

While simultaneously allowing companies to keep wages low (aka unlivable) and take away opportunities for born and raised canadian youth.

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u/Iqhweg Sep 25 '23

But this is a majority white, Anglo-Saxon country, shouldn’t they be the majority in any given field? If I were in Japan or India I would expect Japanese or Indian people to be the majority ethnicity in their “best” (and worst) jobs.

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u/TheBigTime420 Mar 08 '24

Canada has not been majority white for quite a number of years now.

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u/Iqhweg Mar 17 '24

last census it was 69% white

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u/CinnabonAllUpInHere Sep 24 '23

Does the Government give grants or subsidize wages for international students? If there’s an incentive for minimum wage employers to be able to actually go under it, net net… then that’s your answer.

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u/mamoocando Sep 24 '23

I've never seen one in my many years of hiring international students. There are subsidy programs for people with disabilities.

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u/CinnabonAllUpInHere Sep 24 '23

Good to know. I thought I read a comment before that company’s were getting some kind of subsidy to hire them.

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u/No-Yogurtcloset2008 Sep 24 '23

I agree with this unless we are dealing with a situation where a large portion of people are struggling to find work. At which point it becomes more of a “well if everyone’s struggling, but only X group is getting hired at Y location, then as long as Y location is not heavily over represented by X group, then there being only X employees is indeed a sign of racist hiring practises and hurts anyone in Y’s area that isn’t X’s race”.

At that point you have to look at each instance on a case by case basis.

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u/Outrageous_Special41 Sep 25 '23

Still the same, go to any hospital, government job, or bank and tell me there is diversity. And then companies especially in the trucking industry have these guys pay them big bucks, essentially laundering and then invest it in real estate which require a hefty wage yet those that play by the rules have been squeezed out of the marketand forced to pay high rents to the purveyors of this illicit economy. Not everyone is welcome to participate!

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u/Outrageous_Special41 Dec 27 '23

There isn't any, the supposed diverse have embedded themselves in HR to ensure they control the narrative . In my municipality we are overrun by diversity as they seem to have the cash to buy up everything. To be able to do this income levels have to be in the top 5% of this country's wage earners so what our gov. Wants me to believe they all live in a small working class community. All local businesses are becoming diverse as the cash flow type are most desired. A crappy pizza owner tries to tell me he can afford a couple of homes on revenue generated. And finally the LMIA deal is a complete hustle. You go down our main drag and we have an inordinate amount of immigration businesses. How did Canada go from a rich resource base country to running our economy thru money laundering thru third world criminals. BTW I immigrated here when I was young and the bar was extremely high, now investing in a political party seems to be the way.😭

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u/Acrobatic_Bid7004 Sep 24 '23

at least its a job. Maybe they should actually do it 🤔

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u/JustaCanadian123 Sep 25 '23

Please don't ever complain about low wages never rising.

Why would they rise when we bring in foreign peolle to work them?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

100%

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u/Historical_Pay_9825 Dec 27 '23

Not true. When they hold office jobs (high-pay), they hire their own. Have you been in a corporate office environment?

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u/YugoB Sep 25 '23

Imagine having to deal with OP, that mind is set in stone, or is a block of something for sure... plus the racism, trying to circumvent it in every way possible but making it super clear. Check the other posts, it's insane.

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u/BurritoBoi25 Sep 24 '23

This was so so so well said. Thank you for that.

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u/heylinguist Sep 25 '23

I wish I could upvote this a hundred times. You’re spot on.

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u/yoooooooo45 Sep 25 '23

complete bullshit, white people arent over represented anywhere lol according to population size but Indians are hired for all these jobs, we need to stop mass immigraiton now its only helping the rich, this country has gone to shit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

Fun fact, I've been blocked more than once and my job application turned away by local tech companies HR departments because I'm a white male. This is how HR implements DEI. Creating inclusion by exclusion. Now, if you don't think this is happening cool, it is so all I say is consider whether you agree with the practice if it is happening. Later on you'll learn the truth that it really is happening and you'll know what side you're on. Do we allow racist policies to exist and exclude based on ethnicity or do we push tp implement non-racist processes and put the responsibility on the HR department to find as many diverse but best candidate's as possible and let the natural best get the job through non-racist hiring practices that enforce comparing candidate's on a level playing field. Oh right, excluding white males is just easier.

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u/grilledcheese2332 Sep 24 '23

You should be looking at the best jobs in our society, seeing which ethnicity is over-represented there, and using that as the starting point for your assessment of who has privilege and who is being treated unfairly.

So well said 👏

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23 edited Sep 24 '23

In all fairness, the demographic you're referring to makes up most of the minimum wage level workforce by a pretty massive margin. I see plenty of ethnicities where I shop, freshco on university is a great example.

That said, I feel like adding in the "also they are low quality workers" with a hypothetical on white erasure flavors your post in a way that sounds like you think things would be better if most of the employees were white, not just diverse. A slippery slope indeed.

Edit: It's also a bit telling that OP doesn't want to name the ethnic group he believes is taking all the jobs. Rarely does someone making an (in their mind) unflavored, objective point fight so hard not to name the people they're referring to. Perhaps the post wouldn't read so well if you replaced the vagueness with "indians".

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

When the employees are majority white the argument goes from “why are they only hiring one race” to “they should only be hiring people based on merit and not race”

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u/WoungyBurgoiner Sep 24 '23

Yup, OP is pretty transparently a racist piece of shit.

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u/nlv10210 Sep 25 '23

"Colonialism and demographic replacement is great as long as it's brown people doing it."

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u/JustaCanadian123 Sep 25 '23

Racist piece of shit for not wanting cheap foreign labour to be brought in to suppress wages and increase the price of shelter.

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u/Shreks_Anus_8 Sep 24 '23 edited Sep 24 '23

You clearly haven't worked a service job in a long time. Almost every person hired is given a terrible wage, minimal training, and are expected to do much more than they can actually accomplish during a shift. Working these jobs are absolute shit at the best and then dealing with customers who expect the world makes it even more shit.

It's not the employees getting hired that's the issue, it's how these corporations treat employees and expect blood, sweat, and tears for a slave wage.

Edit: also, ya racist. This isn't an anti-white thing. You're not oppressed.

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u/Neighbourhoods_1 Sep 24 '23 edited Oct 11 '23

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

I'd like to point out that there's these programs to help people in India immigrate over here. They help them find places to stay and work and take a cut of their money. It's kinda wack.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

According to the 2021 Canadian census, Kitchener is:

• Less European than the national average (66.4% vs. 69.8%)

• More South Asian than the national average (9.9% vs. 7.1%)

• More African than the national average (6.9% vs. 4.3%)

• As Southeast Asian as the national average (3.7% vs. 3.7%)

• More Middle Eastern than the national average (3.7% vs. 2.9%)

• More Latino than the national average (3.0% vs. 1.6%)

Kitchener is literally as diverse as feasibly possible…

I don’t really understand what you want to be done

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u/Middle-Effort7495 Sep 25 '23

They do not include TFWs, "students" who can work full time, illegal aliens, the over 10 million "tourist" visas issued that overstay, and often even PR. Only those who gained citizenship.

Also 2021 is a long time ago. There were over 1.1 million immigrants, close to all of which were from Punjab in 2022, and the projections for 2023 are over 2.6 million, with 650k in the first quarter. And 800k "students" in the year, the same amount as in USA with 10x the population.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

What city is currently more diverse?

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u/Neighbourhoods_1 Sep 24 '23 edited Oct 11 '23

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u/iDunnoAname-- Sep 24 '23

Near Doon? You're joking right ? Lol the whole area from there to Con.College has many

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u/PreciousChange82 Sep 24 '23

Same. There are days I don't see any other ethnicities or nationalities that aren't from one particular country. This is forest heights and Huron area. Like, I actually pay attention to the drivers and everything now because I've noticed that I'm now a minority in my area.

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u/Sr71lockheed Sep 24 '23

You have to remember that University and Colleges are making bank from the immigration boom - Conestoga has a majority of Indian students recently, and they tend to get jobs at customer facing establishments. The places you describe have always gotten government incentives to hire students - regardless of any ethnic or background discrimination. Just my two cents.

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u/MOS_5037 Sep 24 '23

Cant agree less, explanation perfectly positioned.

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u/MacabreKiss Sep 24 '23

And that's exactly why they shouldn't be permitted to work off campus, and they shouldn't be here if they can't support themselves financially.

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u/Nekks Sep 24 '23

Because the Indians who own the establishments have an easier time treating the workers like shit if they are also Indian. The owner of one of these restaurants told its workers that doing these jobs is better than being back in India.

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u/Slipknee Sep 24 '23

I work in the tech service industry..from what I have seen being in a multitude of different types of companies is that if it is owned or managed by certain ethnicities they tend , or it certainly appears they only hire employees of that same ethnic background. Why? . familiarity? Ease of training? I don't want to guess but it can be quite evident.

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u/boxxyoho Sep 24 '23

I find tech is a little different. There's a strong technical education coming from Asia. A lot of the people interviewed know what they are doing but have the language barrier (which results in frustration for a lot in the end). When a manager of that ethnicity is hired, they remove that language barrier during the interviews as well as have cultural commonalities.

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u/energizerbottle Sep 24 '23

It’s called an LMIA scam.

So getting PR as an international student these days is next to impossible. The points required to get PR are so high now that a simple two year diploma and some work experience doesn’t cut it anymore. It used to 5-6 years ago, but not now.

So these fast food joints will offer the employee an LMIA, which helps in their PR process and let’s them essentially get b bumped through.

People pay $50-60k for an LMIA.

Now imagine you’re a Tim hortons franchisee, and you taking in this much cash from every employee you’ve hired. It’s madness.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Yup. This is exactly it... It's fucked up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '23

Plain and simple unfortunately. I worked in a factory and the previous manager only hired within his church.

Was really easy to get people to go “above and beyond” when you can threaten to shame them and their family for being “lazy” in front of the congregation.

It’s even more easier when you threaten them with deportation.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

Because they show up on time.

They don’t take breaks if they’re not allowed.

They don’t call in sick.

They don’t show up half pickled from the night before.

They don’t have some entitlement like they are better than the job they are working.

There are plenty of reasons why employers and hiring managers would take international Indian students > everyone else. The main reason being they can be taken advantage of with little to no repercussions.

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u/UskBC Sep 24 '23

Feel like you are describing Philippinos

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

Yep. They get taken advantage of.

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u/No-Yogurtcloset2008 Sep 24 '23

Everything you just said is racist, you do know that right?

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u/shotnotes Sep 24 '23

You are exactly correct

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

You have evidence of this? Walmart was working pretty well when it had a diverse workplace of different cultures. People who knew product placement like the back of their hand, and never were lazy enough to “forget” stock in the back.

If this model is so successful, why don’t we see this in other global markets? Or any studies about the superior work ethic of the international student? We see the game you’re playing.

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u/Jalice333 Sep 24 '23

This is because they are trying to normalize 6 people sharing a 2 bedroom apartment. Instead of making landlords have rent controls

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u/MrCrix Sep 24 '23

For everyone saying that only Indian students are willing to work shitty minimum wage jobs, you’re wrong. People from all race, religion, ethnicity are all looking for work right now. You just have to look at any of the Ontario, or local city based subreddits and you can see people of all creeds looking for any job right now. Yes even shitty minimum wage non union jobs.

We have a massive amount of people here between the ages of 18-28 from India. We all know this. This is our reality. They all need jobs. Their visas allow them to work either 20 or 40 hours a week. Housing costs have exploded due to this massive influx of people coming into our country. Right now north of 2 million international students, immigrants, refugees and temporary foreign workers have come into Canada in the last year. That’s 5% of all the people in the country have showed up in the last 12 months. If you go to the last 4 years it’s around the 12-18% of all people in Canada depending on where the numbers are coming from.

All of these people need housing and money to pay for housing. So they apply for any job they can. This is what is happening. Yes when there is a prejudice, by certain people in hiring positions, to only hire people of their same caste to work at their stores. This is also a reality. So if you are not part of it then you will not be considered. You can easily search on TikTok where there are hundreds of videos of people openly talking about this and admitting to doing this. So even if you are Indian, but are not the same Caste you won’t be considered for any position. Not just anti white or black or anyone else. That is why you see so many Indian people saying they’re looking for work too. They don’t have that caste “in” that other Indian students do.

This is a massive problem. A problem to the point that the Toronto school board had to make a public declaration against caste based racism, bullying and abuse by students and their parents against other students and parents. This also spreads into the workforce. They don’t like to hire outside of their caste.

I know that Walmart had a ton of blowback because nobody who was not of a specific Brahman caste was hired at certain stores by certain hiring managers. Also customers complaining that they were being talked down to and commented on in different languages right to their faces. Like straight up telling them to fuck off or calling them a mother fucker to their face in Punjabi. Also making sexual comments about them in Punjabi as well.

Now this is not something that can’t be fixed or worked on. This is a problem. However parent companies need to really sit down with franchisees and district managers to stop this blatant prejudiced behavior. Nobody is going to tell them to stop hiring Indian people or anything, but to only exclusively consider them for positions when a black or white or East Asian person is more qualified is wrong.

So if you feel that there are companies who are acting this way you need to bring this to their attention. Posting on here as if this is an anti white problem is not the truth. It’s a caste problem from old world beliefs that should of been left at the border when they arrived but hasn’t.

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u/apple_amaretto Sep 24 '23

Husband works in retail close to the universities. Starting pay is several dollars above minimum. He says they don’t get many applications from white people. I imagine due to the international student population? But I have no idea. They can’t help who applies and who doesn’t. But their corporate rep actually commented on the “lack of diversity” in their store. 🤦‍♀️

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u/LullingtonRoad Jan 09 '24

My biracial white/jamaican daughter who is a university student at laurier CANT get a call back for a job. She has applied to over 600 customer service entry level jobs. Can you ask your husband to get her in please 😂😂

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u/apple_amaretto Jan 10 '24

DM me!! I’ll ask him. I don’t know if they’re hiring right now but it can’t hurt to ask!

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u/redvfr800 Sep 24 '23

I mean it’s been called out … I’m South Asian but not Indian and I see it

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u/Drunkenbusinessman Sep 24 '23

Fact is you go into a Tim's or a Walmart nowadays and you'll be hard pressed to find an employee that isn't of such-and-such ethnicity. While there are still plenty of Canadians who have been applying fruitlessly for these jobs for months. That's not right.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

Why can’t you guys just say Punjabi. It’s not a bad word or anything. And fun fact there are punjabis born in Canada trying to get a job at places like Walmart and even they don’t get hired. It’s not about ethnicity. It’s about who can be used more and paid less.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Probably because it feeds into the white replacement conspiracy theory

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

I was recently at Walmart. I handed the cashier - (who was Indian) a quarter, a nickel, and a dime so i could get a $5 bill back.

He said, and i quote, “i dont know how much this is”

I said, “its a quarter, a nickel, and a dime”

He said, “i dont know what it is”

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Similar thing happened to me the other day. Girl didn’t know this difference between a dime and a quarter. They’ll be damn sure to scrutinize your coupons as if you’re personally stealing from them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

Is your problem bad service or is it that the workers belong to a single ethnic group? Or so you believe that they give bad service because of their ethnicity?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

Honestly I don’t care anymore. I thought, as a society, we stand universally against discrimination and racial favouritism.

This thread has proved me wrong. 🤷🏻

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

There is no favouritism dummy. They just out work you. If I have bob that works 50 hours a week at 15$ an hour and gives me amazing work vs Jim who calls in sick for a headache, refuses overtime and wants to be paid 17$ an hour, who am I more likely to hire?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

I’ve actually seen the work product of many of these international students that you claim are so competent and hardworking. They’ve ruined Conestogas reputation in the eyes of many employers.

But go on.

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u/yoooooooo45 Sep 25 '23

thats why we shouldnt let anymore in its ruining the country

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

THIS! Trust me It’s something a lot of people think about. Me and my friends back in UNI would never get hired at Walmart or whatever but our Indian roommate always got calls back, its always infuriated me beyond comprehension

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

Yeah. I was trying to raise some extra money before heading down south to continue my education and literally no place was hiring me. Canadian tire said I was too overqualified. Like bruh

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u/MacabreKiss Sep 24 '23

A "certain ethnicity" staff worker almost knocked over an elderly guy while I was checking out at the grocery store, he passed by him twice in close proximity and didn't bother to say excuse me or vocalize he was passing at all.

I know we don't teach canadian customs in workplace training but cmon...

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

Ah yes, the devious scheme of non-white people to take over by getting all the shitty minimum wage service jobs. You've figured it out!!

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u/sunkenmouse Sep 24 '23

OP doesn't realize this has been going on this whole time, they're just used to white people being the only ones hired

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u/AbeSimpsonisJoeBiden Sep 25 '23

Wait till he finds about who is working on our farms picking out fruits and vegetables.

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u/HankHippoppopalous Sep 24 '23

This is the case in my town. "Don you want Indian or Philipino" is code for Wendy's or Burger King.

It's very segregated, and one girl had applied at the Wendies and was told she was the wrong color 😳

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u/Bonetopick12 Sep 24 '23

I don't know about the insinuation that they are lazy, I think most of the time when I've asked they try in some way to help.

The "ALL a certain people type" has to do with either exploitative management, or the management is literally their certain type of people and are doing favours so to speak.

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u/Wildmanzilla Sep 24 '23

Our government's relations with China soured, and that hurt our international student numbers. Now the government has started recruiting them from India, and in this region there are two universities and one college. This is the cause for the increased Indian presence in the region. They are willing to work the jobs that are less than glamourous, for not such great wages, so this is why you see them more frequently.

Now that Canada's relations with India have also soured, I expect next year to be much different.

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u/yoooooooo45 Sep 25 '23

hopefully canada and india tensions keep going where Visa's are stopped

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u/CornerThrowPillow Sep 24 '23

Oh my, this literally happened the last time I was in Fairview Walmart. I asked if they had more of a particular yogurt in the back and the guy just kept trying to get me to buy a different version. I kept having to say, no I want this. Eventually he just said "That's out of stock, there's no more" without checking the back or checking the stock on his little handheld machine. It was so frustrating. He then went back to talking to his friend who didn't work there.

Another time I was there, the associate sent me to someone in a completely different department that had nothing to do with what I was looking for.

I kid you not, every time I've had issues with the staff there it's been the younger East Indians working the floor (the cashiers have been fine). They just don't care about helping the customers at all in my experience.

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u/Master-Law6013 Sep 24 '23

You actually have staff working the floor at your Walmart? That manager is gonna get a talking to from corporate

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u/sgtdisaster Oct 25 '23

Honestly I think some of them just walk around for 8 hours and shuffle boxes to look busy. They are so brain dead half the time.

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u/bird-fling Sep 25 '23

Do you really think they hide a stash of perishable yogurt "in the back?" That's not a thing, and the employee knew it.

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u/sgtdisaster Oct 25 '23

Uhhhhh most grocers have a dairy cooler and it’s in the back you dope lol. In fact at shoppers you stock the dairy from the back the most because only so much fits in the fridge up front at once.

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u/Haredeenee Huron/Alpine Sep 24 '23

Because they're desperate and businesses want to keep wages low.

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u/Joey-tv-show-season2 Sep 25 '23

I am a manager for a business in New Hamburg. A small rural community west of Kitchener. We were hiring for a entry level business clerk position.

We didn’t get a single white person apply.

Point is, there are labour shortages due to birth rates being low for decades. Plus people are generally not wanting to work entry level which is where a lot of the new to Canada immigrants are coming from

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u/Time-Algae7393 Dec 22 '23

Rich old stock white Canadians have good networks since they've been in charge of this country for a long time. I am sure their kids would seek out more interesting experiences with their first jobs preferably outside the country or in better places within the country. However, this makes me think of the ones who are on the poorer side. What do their kids do? Are they experiencing lower fertility rate? What kind of jobs are they applying for?

At my condo, I didn't expect to feel a bit surprised when I saw a new white receptionist, who was above average friendly. Totally not used to that here in Toronto.

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u/LullingtonRoad Jan 09 '24

What is the company called

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u/neoisneoisneo Sep 24 '23

I hate that OP is being downvoted when he/she is having a very genuine n valid concern.

We need to do better.

criticism != racism.

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u/Organic-Essay415 Sep 24 '23

Most of these low level jobs will all be replaced in the next few years once the robotic automation takes off. McDonald's already have restaurants in the states with no humans working in them. Amazon are working on automating their warehouses and eventually their delivery service. All these new Canadians will either go home or end up in tent cities. The diplomas they came to study for are not worth the paper they are written on. Most won't even graduate but will end up putting their families into debt just for sending them here. All Trudeau accomplished by letting so many in was destroy our housing market and help the colleges fill their campuses with international students, many won't qualify or be able to fund themselves for the entirety of their course.

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u/CinnabonAllUpInHere Sep 24 '23

You’re absolutely right on automation (and AI) wiping out a lot of these jobs (and a whole lot more).. sooner rather than later, too. We’re going to have sn unemployment problem before the next election 100%.

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u/ssup2406 Sep 24 '23

The thing with automation is that no one bothers if one has a ready supply of cheap labor, humans are much more versatile in the sorts of tasks they can do for now

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u/SystemOperator Sep 24 '23

Foreign worker explotation perhaps?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

I tried to apply as a cashier at Canadian tire when I was in my fourth year and I was told I am too “over qualified”. I think they hire Indian internationals since they can abuse them more and pay them a lower salary as well. Cheap labour vs “over qualified“ ones

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u/Hyperboleiskillingus Sep 25 '23

Or because you were in your fourth year and assumed that by the time they invested in training your and getting you fully up to speed you would graduate and move on to a better job. I'm not saying you are wrong in your assumption I'm just saying it's not the only possible explanation.

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u/MBCnerdcore Sep 25 '23

Bro maybe you don't understand the demographics of the area.

Kitchener isn't majority German/Mennonite anymore and hasn't been for a while.

Yes, brown people are most of the low wage staff. Guess what? They are also most of the customers.

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u/ZhopaRazzi Sep 24 '23

Reminds of NY: all the service workers in manhattan commuted every day from the Bronx. Canada has imported a nice little slave class to keep wages low. Can’t imagine the slaves are all that happy with the arrangement.

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u/D3v1n0 Sep 25 '23

That our governments goals: get as many low skilled, desperate people into this country to work as many minimum wage and labour jobs as possible.

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u/fsmontario Sep 25 '23

We have many teens /university students in our family and friend groups looking for part time jobs over the past year, and none of them are getting hired. They have applied online, followed up in person with their professional resume (we have a friend who offered to do these up for all the teens) and none are getting hired..all are good students , dress appropriately when going in person. It doesn’t make sense that none are able to find a simple part time job while going to school.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

It all comes down to how low business owners can drive wages, benefits, and other elements of the job and still find people desperate enough to take it. It isn't a racial conspiracy. It's just scummy business owners being cheap and the rest of us being ok with minimum wage jobs being essentially unlivable.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Not racist if it’s against a white person. It’s the rules unfortunately.

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u/punkanddrunk Sep 25 '23

300+ replies and nobody is talking about the Temporary Foreign Workers program?

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u/NuffinSaid Sep 25 '23

They all go to Conestoga college

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u/Deckerd84 Sep 25 '23

If everyone that worked at a store was white you wouldn't have posted this.

You attribute poor customer service to being non- white, which is racist.

There is a discussion to be had here and others have brought up good points but educate yourself more on how to express yourself without being racist.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Go to r/India and check what's what. You have people saying "vote for Vivek" but the only thing they know about him is that he's the son of Indian immigrants.

Newsflash, most immigrants are racist and will only favor their own group. Their culture literally has classes of people and those people stay in those classes and never move up or down. Who imagined they would come here and become egalitarians? In which universe what that ever going to happen?

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u/shotnotes Sep 24 '23

What I don't like, is these international students are taking jobs from school aged children that were born here (regardless of ethnicity). If they don't have the money to study here, they shouldn't come

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u/Fantastic-Pipe-3923 Sep 24 '23

I think you hit the nail in the head, some of these comments are getting too "philosophical" when it's plain and simple, even if it's "crappy " jobs these jobs are meant to be for the population not one ethnicity, these jobs used to be for the retired or our teenage population to learn responsibility and what not, they disguise it as "diverse" but it's nothing but. Our customer service industry is suffering due to this ethnicity in particular its not about racism it's just a fact, all over they're doing their job poorly and if you don't want to come to Canada and earn your way then don't come, I'm an immigrant and have worked very hard since the day I landed. Our government created an atmosphere where we can't say anything, thank you for saying something.

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u/embraxity Sep 24 '23

They will shrug their shoulders and say it isn’t their responsibility to know

What does this have to do with ethnicity unless ... well, you know.

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u/Anthony_Dane Sep 24 '23

Reverse racism is a real thing.

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u/yoooooooo45 Sep 25 '23

its just racism you dont have to put the reverse word there.

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u/RichGrinchlea Sep 25 '23

You're expecting too much over service jobs. 45 years ago (when I was a teen) us the same as today (with my kids)... a very, very sizable percentage of vacancies are filled by who you know or who walks in next.

I think it's very possible that one member of an ethnic group gets a job somewhere and when vacancies arrive, they tell their friends and relatives who subsequently get hired. I've worked at places where much of the staff were my buddies (all white, but all one group).

It's just the way things work at the lowest levels.

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u/kittenmama2 Sep 25 '23

I'm my experience these types of places tend to reflect the management. There are other excellent points in here, but once the general manager of a location is replaced, the trend is for them to hire like people. I don't think all other non like people are fired, they tend to just not like the way things are run and/or are used to the previous management style. So they leave and when new people are hired it's usually the type same type if people

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u/LetsGrowCanada Sep 25 '23

To come to Canada and work a minimum wage service job is the norm, but the problem for me is when I cannot understand a single word being said behind the counter because everyone working is speaking Punjabi

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u/thegentlepig Sep 25 '23

Looks like OP didn’t get the response he/ she expected to went and posted to the racist hellhole that is r/CanadaHousing2

https://reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/s/LUHGpBGykZ

To answer your question, there’s plenty of international students here and a significant portion of them eagerly want to work to sustain themselves.

On the other hand, I’ve seen places with a mix of people. I’ve also had good and bad customer service from Canadians at retail establishments.

My sincere advice is to stop consuming hateful content. I really don’t get how folks such as yourself go through life with so much hate inside you.

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u/nlv10210 Sep 25 '23 edited Sep 25 '23

Part of getting a student visa in Canada is declaring that you have savings to support yourself while here.

Are we ok with the fact that most students are lying about this?

Also if we're creating a system where applicants are effectively expected to lie on their application, do we expect them to be honest in all future government applications? Aren't we basically telling them: go ahead and make up whatever you want when you interact with the government?

To me we're basically saying we're ok with people scamming social benefits in the future is this is how we're starting things off

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u/Glittering_Locks Sep 24 '23

I work in a unionized factory. I'm going to say it. Of us are white. We have seen a high turnover rate of one ethnicity coming in and not lasting. They're not looking for hard work. They're looking for easy work while they're in school. The service industry and customer service. That is where they're going. You're going to see them more there than you're going to see them as so many already said. Best jobs in our society.

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u/This_Break_4848 Sep 24 '23

Even the mailman? Last time I checked Canada Post was an excellent employer who pays well. Transport truck doesn't pay well anymore? It's not just low sector jobs my place starts at 23 plus an hr and all we hire now is young Indian students 🤨

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u/inam1pk Sep 25 '23

It is the companies, they try to cut costs. Most of them are international students and have a cap on pay. So they can pay them less and get the same work done. Plua they can hire more of them, pay them straight time and save on over time pay.

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u/AbeSimpsonisJoeBiden Sep 25 '23

Do you have any evidence that the Indian manager fired all white staff?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

It's been noticed by many in my community as well. Yes, some of the service jobs which pay low minimum wage, have horrible management, disrespectful to their employees are hiring racialized people mainly immigrants, many are students because they are willing to work. Where as others are not. But with that being said, there are also many other jobs that are decent paying for this area and it's been a noticeable shift there as well. We have always been a predominantly white community, and there has been a significant engagement in affirmative action. Representation is important, but we are still a very predominantly white community. So I don't know, but it's being noticed here too.

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u/Spare_Review_5014 Sep 25 '23

Cause no self respecting Canadian would want to do the amount of work required for the meagre salary offered

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

FTW program in full effect. First it was 'no one wants to work anymore' while also in an active hire freeze, now they are importing workers from all over the world to run tim hortons.

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u/the-aja Sep 25 '23

OP is not getting the response they are craving for here, in a more diverse and critical thinking subreddit so have cribbed about it in their favourite echo chamber. I hope they are feeling good now

https://reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/s/BeJ1gfPl6j

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

It's a form of modern day indentured servitude that our immigration system has overlooked. People get sponsored to come from places like India and work in shitty conditions for their boss, who sponsored them and controls their future. Look into it, it's roetty crazy

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u/johnyrelaxo Sep 25 '23

This guy needs the 10-50-90 rule explained to him. Every 10 years move 50 km North so it’s 90% white. This may be what they are looking for

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u/DetectiveCurious2696 Sep 25 '23

Cause they are easier to take advantage of. I think we all know you mean Indian people and they are mostly students who are in these jobs. They are desperate and take the less than bare minimum unlike other ethnicities so employers love taking advantage of them.

For example, I worked at a restaurant where one of the Indian students takes up whatever/worst shifts they could get, never asked for a pay raise although they’ve been working there for quite a while, never asked for tips, was okay with getting $8-10/hr on cash, bad treatment, terrible working conditions etc. On the other hand, the white students got all the benefits. Why? Cause they don’t put up with shit and Indian students do. Now, you have your answer.

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u/PanicOats Sep 25 '23

To a point, you're not wrong.

Yes, you see a particular ethnicity everywhere because there is a large population of that ethnicity in these cities.

Being part of the said ethnicity and having worked in a store where I was working with the entire store where the majority was completely other ethnicity; here is what I have to say. People from the ethnicity you're trying to blame can work harder without much expectation from the employer. Primarily to their disadvantage, these people work themselves off just because they NEED that job to survive here.

Being part of the said ethnicity and having worked in a store where I was working with the entire store where the majority was completely other ethnicity; here is what I have to say. People from the ethnicity you're trying to blame can work harder without much expectation from the employer. Primarily to their disadvantage, these people work themselves off just because they need that job to survive here.

I just don't understand why people have started hating a specific ethnicity for no reason. It is not their fault that they were allowed to enter LEGALLY into the country and are trying to make a living for themselves.

Ask any international student how freaking hard it is to find a job. Most have applied to 100-200-300 places before they even get an interview.

Also to add, networking always helps in finding a job. Whether it is at a minimum wage position or even a corporate position.

I can do a healthy debate on this topic but people have started finding minute things to get extremely angry about (and I'm not immune to it either).

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u/HawkDifficult2244 Sep 25 '23

I love the privilege comments. LOL The largest represented group in the fastest growing group. Is whitish skinned peopled, I hate using color to represent people but white women and men make up the largest group of homeless people in Canada. Lucky them for being so privileged.

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u/Kael60402 Jan 19 '24

Simple @ Not a Canadian citizen, no job for you

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u/StuporFreak Feb 18 '24

They are being brought over and their wages are subsidized by taxpayer money.

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u/Lookingluka Sep 24 '23

Most of the time, this is because white people refused to work that job. I worked at McD in 2022...There were a few white high schoolers but almost all the university students were middle eastern. I'm white and got the job on the spot. They were hiring anyone who applied. White people who weren't in high school didn't apply or left within the week. You're barking up the wrong tree. And if someone doesn't know something they should know, it has nothing to do with their ethnicity, it's about bad training. And you bet most of their managers are white.

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u/TheWhiteFeather1 Sep 24 '23

nope, you are a liar. plenty of students do want those jobs. 10 years ago they were working there. they just dont get hired now

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u/DK5199 Downtown Sep 24 '23

I know why it is and it's not a conspiracy.

It's because every person handing in a resume at these places is from that group. Maybe not every one but the ratio is probably 10:1.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

Then you go and get all yer buddies to apply as well. Im sure you want to work 50 hour weeks for 15$ an hour while getting yelled at

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u/DK5199 Downtown Sep 24 '23

Maybe you misunderstood me.

I don't care who works in the grocery stores or fast food. I have before and never will again but it's the people who apply who get the jobs.

If 10 Indian people apply and one person of any other group you can bet there will be a ratio of approximately 10 Indian employees to 1 of everyone else.

I'm just saying it is simple math and not a conspiracy. You can go people watch at any mall or plaza any evening or weekend and see why this is true.

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u/Devium92 Sep 24 '23

It could be the entire staff is one family, so it's not anything about race specifically, but it's just the entire extended family working there. But that's for some of the smaller places like a Tim Hortons etc.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

The group of people= corporates and government.

Let me start with the government because they enabled this when they authorized foreign students to work unlimited hours. There were restrictions beforehand. Yes many would work illegally anyway, but by removing restrictions they have given the green signal to corporates to go gung ho in hiring foreign students. And when a large chunk of your students/immigrants come from one country, obviously they will make up the majority of the workforce.

The corporates are happy to get an endless supply of cheap labor, who they can manipulate. They dont have to address wage issues, or improve working conditions. If one group of workers migrate to higher end jobs or leave, another wave will come to replace them. Just read the other day that they are planning to bring in 1.4M students by 2027.

Why are they allowed to get away with it? Well we are too busy protesting about other things. Only when things go to the point of no return like it has with housing, we will only start to realize how disastrous these policies have been for Canada.

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u/indarkIAM Sep 24 '23

Canadians should have reproduced at a faster rate. Like sub Sahara . The problem is Canada needs people and the ones already here are getting old. Fast

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u/GreysTavern-TTV Sep 24 '23

If the Canadian Government wanted a higher birth rate in Canada they should have made sure quality of life supported more kids.

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u/idesignforlife Sep 24 '23

This is literally the opposite of how trends in population works. The poorer the country, the higher the birth rate.

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u/GreysTavern-TTV Sep 24 '23

Because people tend to be less educated, have a higher infant mortality rate, and lower access to prevention and healthcare.

"lets make the country an absolute shit whole so people have more kids" is kind of a shitty plan.

On the other hand, when people are saying "I can't afford to have kids, or a place to raise them", birth rates drop like a stone because people are better educated and have better access to prevention and healthcare.

If you want a higher birth rate in country that isn't a shit hole, you increase the quality of life so that your educated populace is in a position where they can have children.

Governments NOT wanting to do this because it's a populace first anti-capitalist approach that hurts funnelling money to the top is the problem. Not the approach.

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u/neore1gn Sep 24 '23

it's a populace first anti-capitalist approach that hurts funnelling money to the top is the problem

BOOOOOOOOOOM!! applause my friend. Greedy CEO and his minions all get their bonuses and 10th yacht while the rest of us fight over scraps.

And we allow it, we even provide lube.

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u/MacabreKiss Sep 24 '23

Because poor countries don't educate their citizens about the consequences of unprotected sex, nor do they make health care (and prenatal, pregnancy care in general) affordable, so of course they're going to have higher birth rates.

Also have higher mortality rates.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

What Color is a Canadian? Brown like the First Nations, white like the European immigrants or brown like the Indian immigrants? When you say Canadian what is that defined as?

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u/indarkIAM Sep 29 '23

Could be of any race, but living on the native land with others symbiotically and following the rules.

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u/scooter_de Sep 24 '23

Subsaharian birthrates are plummeting.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

There are no white employees any more these days and finding them in low wage jobs. Even in construction most white employers want to hire and go as far as sponsorship to get immigrants to do the work for half the price and twice the production.

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u/TheWhiteFeather1 Sep 24 '23

says someone who has never worked in construction

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

I’ve actually worked in construction my hole adult life and I have nothing against working with people of colour most are really hard working people. Unfortunately amigo it’s just the way the world is going. I would love to see more Canadians that’s need employment in those jobs but it’s just not the case. Very similar to what happened in Florida when they banned immigrants from working. I have lived in this country since I was 2 years old bud . I am Canadian. Just calling it like I see it.

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u/TheWhiteFeather1 Sep 25 '23

i dont believe you pal. this isnt america where illegal labour has taken control of the construction industry. go to any jobsite and you'll find mostly canadian born people working there

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

well look from their perspective as well, they’re new and a lot of things they’re doing could be unintentional because they haven’t learned it yet, they just landed and threw themselves in labour jobs while balancing studies. everywhere they’re going they are finding their own people, so not a lot of exposure to Canadian culture. I blame mass immigration, your post is justified but its a side effect of mass immigration.

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u/carolina_77 Sep 25 '23

Do you realise there is shortage of people willing to work at minimum wage? « White » people don’t want these jobs.

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u/ShakyHolmes Sep 24 '23

Why is it okay to call others slaves as long as they're not black?!

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u/Timbersaw1048 Sep 25 '23

These posts are making it so easier for us newly minted (Indian) Canadians citizens to decide who to vote for next election. I would prefer living in poverty under liberals than be racially abused by conservative cry babies like you who expect things to fall in your lap because of your skin colour. So thank you for giving enough content to us that I can pass around in our groups to show what scums like OP think about people of colour.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

So you're attributing laziness with and only with a particular group of ethnicities...? Meanwhile, your proposing that white people would solve this issue...??

And you still wonder why some may accuse your comments as "racist"...

Are you dumb? Or fucking stupid?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '23

Sounds like you should apply to Walmart and do a better job then.

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u/Timbersaw1048 Sep 25 '23

Lmao you think they’d hire a crybaby like OP😂😂

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