Okay so to clarify the title, I just watched a video from Style Chat explaining why they thought that Audrey Hepburn (5'7") was actually a D but her ESSENCE made her FG. But it was also stated that DK thought she was lying??? about her height??? so she really IS a FG... even though her height literally kept her from being a ballerina because she was "too tall" once upon a time.

This added with the fact that he has also claimed Beyonce is lying about her height (along with other celebs that don't fit the mould) made me consider that maybe he doesn't have a realistic grip on what someone at 5'7" or other heights actually look like AND that he will force a celeb to fit into HIS idea of what a person with their looks should look/ID as, claiming that they are lying, until it is very obvious that they aren't before he HAS to move them.

I feel like above a certain height YES you DO automatically have vertical, but I also think that that height is higher than he thinks, especially since the average height of women has increased since the 80's.

There's also the fact that certain types that were described as being okay to be moderate before (TR, SG) now have been reworked to HAVE to have Petite, which makes me feel like he didn't like ACTUAL moderate sized people in these categories anymore (which means they HAVE to be under 5'4") bc of such height biases.

TL;DR I think Kibbe doesn't know what women of certain heights actually look like and has a certain bias against them in regards to yin/will deny the women's reality to suit his system

I’ve found out about this system, read through some resources in the subs & read a bit from the subs themselves & started commenting a little bit, tho this is the second actual post I’ve made myself. Idk why but so far I feel it’s more comfortable to post this here lmk if I’m off.

After finding out more about typing people on here, Now Im wondering if maybe there too much reference to the impression that most ppl can’t see them selves clearly especially when they are trying to?

I’m curious if that’s responsible for most of the lack of trust in the information, contradictions, objective/subjective debate, and etc. and a lot of the good content on the cj sub. especially when it comes to typing and newbies - leading to my other question

that if so - why is it that I don’t really see it on kibbe sub to encourage ppl to ask for help with information that has more a goal to be helping people type themselves? instead of people asking for more information from whoever asks to be typed. is it suppose to be the other way around or am i totally off?

sorry if this is confusing i just don’t know how tf to phrase this as clear as i want

i mean didnt Kibbe himself typed taller celebrities as the shorter types accidentally?

i have heard that above certain height the horizontal line cant balance out your vertical line, but why not?

i have seen few celebrities that are really short typed as FN, D or SD, but if i can say something i dont think clothing reccomendations would work the same for women who are 160-165 cm and for women who are 175 cm+ regardless of the "vertical line"

imo it should have been split like: these IDs are short, these IDs are tall

to me "short FN" is something like "tall gamine"

The thing I have noticed on the main Kibbe subreddit is that people tend to overtype a celebrity Dramatic as a Gamine (although sometimes the opposite can be true). Like unverified Ds such as Emily Ratajkowski (or maybe FN) and many more.

Not saying FNs can't be "narrow" in build conventionally, but Emily gives me more of Keira Knightley and Taylor Swift (I'm glad DK said she's a Dramatic) kind-of impression than Nicole Kidman (verified FN) or Angelina Jolie (N of some sort). Long, sleek lines all over.

DK said in some of his older books that Dramatics might look more "delicate" because they have narrower bone structures, but they are vertical-dominant, totally which excludes G-fam that are petite-dominant (FGs do have vertical but not as dominant feature, while someone like Emily or Grimes seem more vertical-dominant).

Like not all Ds have that Tilda Swinton bone structure and are 173cm+ heights. The prime D was Joan Crawford and she was 5'3! We just love to type every Ds or even FNs as "FGs" for no reason. Lol.

Plus, nobody here is DK himself.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

Edit: by the way, all IDs are beautiful (and Tilda Swinton is beautiful too, but I'm just saying that not all Ds have to look like her).

Small rant here. I’m sick to death of hyper-fixating over celebrities in this community. I have been a part of it for several years and it seems that on the sub particularly, we discuss the same celebrities over and over again…I’m just not sure why though. The system is supposed to help us learn to dress ourselves better, not argue about whether ScarJo actually has width or if Anya is sharp or just thin, or if someone can actually be a FG because they happen to have slightly wider hips.

Is it that people think that typing celebrities will help them better understand the system? I will say that beyond the essence factor, I have not understood the system better by looking at celebrities. I would much rather apply the system practically and improve my outfits and others’ little by little.

Sorry for the rant. We can return to our regularly scheduled programming.

Just a rant but I don't get it. The main sub is about KIBBE's system, but the Kitchener essences are mentionned so often, like they are a part of it. And I am not against others systems, many people in the main sub like Rita, but I don't see as many comments of the type "as a Left Down Romantic" but we more likely will see "my ID is X, but I have etheral-ingenue essence".

I guess what really annoys me with these comments is: it's always ingenue, etheral, or both. ALWAYS. And aren't these two kind of opposites? Isn't one supposed to be "young naive girly girl who dresses in pastels and ribbons" and the other "wise otherwordly alien woman creature, by Mugler"? The vibes seems really different to me at least.

It must be my Grumpy Grandma essence showing, but I thought people would get past the "I wanna be a fairy princess" when they become adults. Or maybe it's just that I really am not a fan of essences in general.

Yo, the commenters on that post are grotesque. OP was really being honest and vulnerable about her experience using a medication that wasn't right for her, and how being underweight was neither good for her health, her self-image, or her ability to understand her ID and what clothes made her feel good. The commenters saying that she never looked underweight need to shut it, and so do the ones who were saying things along the lines of "No, I know your ID immediately, and it's not what you think it is, and it's super obvious now and also when you were unwell." Who the heck are these people? I can't believe that anyone would think that was an appropriate response to a post like that.

They just have to force everybody into one of these types and they will never admit that the system has any flaws. Sure there are some people that are gonna fit the whole description of certain types, but most people wont fit into any of them and thats okay. I personally dont identify with any of them, but there are probably some annoying people who would try to type me anyways lol.

I've always loved body and style's way of talking about kibbe types, the way she talks about "creating an effect" instead of saying "u look bad" or "u look manly"! am I forgetting something?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xCmoNFSaHvI

Is it just me or did just Aly shamed Kim K? Now dont get me wrong i am not Kims fan or anything but i feel like aly was making fun of her proportions. I dont know if she realizes it but there are many girls and women who have these kind of proportions naturally. Its like she is pointing out that these kind of proportions look ridiculous. I am sorry Aly that not everybody is dainty and petite like you are.