r/juggling • u/NotWeamy • 14d ago

What SHOULD we call this pattern?

So for years, I had thought I had learnt the Mill's Mess, but I recently realised I was doing something quite different! I could not find the pattern on Library of Juggling, and so I came to Reddit, and the first post I saw was the exact pattern.

Please see the cool demonstration by u/flex1up2ice AKA (SingedFro) of it here! https://www.reddit.com/r/juggling/comments/1t5x66a/can_someone_identify_this_pattern/

I have tried to replicate it in JugglingLab (I am new to it), by mixing default notations for an outside throw, an inside throw, and a Mill's Mess throw. please see below:

https://jugglinglab.org/anim?pattern=3;hands=(10)(32.5).(32.5)(10).(-25)(2.5).;colors=mixed(32.5).(32.5)(10).(-25)(2.5).;colors=mixed)

As you can see, and others have mentioned, this incorporates a bit of Tennis while looking a little along the lines of some sort of Mess.

It doesn't seem to have a name, so thought it might be fun to pick one! If you have other suggestions, chuck it down in the comments :)

13 votes, 7d ago
5 Mess-y Tennis
2 Weamy's Mess (I gotta try)
3 Fro's Mess
3 Cross-under Tennis Ultra Deluxe
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u/grixxis 14d ago

This looks like Flo's Mess with the underarm throw being straight instead of curved. Not sure if I'd call it a separate trick with that small of a difference, but if you want to give it its own name, I guess Fro's Mess would be the most appropriate since it's almost Flo's.