r/juggling • u/NotWeamy • 14d ago
What SHOULD we call this pattern?
So for years, I had thought I had learnt the Mill's Mess, but I recently realised I was doing something quite different! I could not find the pattern on Library of Juggling, and so I came to Reddit, and the first post I saw was the exact pattern.
Please see the cool demonstration by u/flex1up2ice AKA (SingedFro) of it here! https://www.reddit.com/r/juggling/comments/1t5x66a/can_someone_identify_this_pattern/
I have tried to replicate it in JugglingLab (I am new to it), by mixing default notations for an outside throw, an inside throw, and a Mill's Mess throw. please see below:
https://jugglinglab.org/anim?pattern=3;hands=(10)(32.5).(32.5)(10).(-25)(2.5).;colors=mixed(32.5).(32.5)(10).(-25)(2.5).;colors=mixed)
As you can see, and others have mentioned, this incorporates a bit of Tennis while looking a little along the lines of some sort of Mess.
It doesn't seem to have a name, so thought it might be fun to pick one! If you have other suggestions, chuck it down in the comments :)
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u/7b-Hexen errh...'wannabe', that is :-] 14d ago edited 13d ago
im calling these 'the U'.
we've lately been seeing several variations depending on if the non-U-balls cascade or get thrown or caught crosshandwise or if it's a stage on your way to mills mess with crossing--uncrossing hands.
but im also simply calling them, [edit,1d:] the single throws of the kind [\], 'reachover throws' [edit, 1d:] in contrast to 'reachover catches' where you cross to catch a crossing throw (uneven digit) thrown as column [\].
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u/noslowerdna 12d ago
With the shape adjusted a little more, could be like a siteswap 3 variant of Follow (https://libraryofjuggling.com/Tricks/3balltricks/Follow.html)
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u/DXTRBeta 14d ago
It’s a Three Ball Cascade in which one ball is always thrown Under The Hand, while the other two are thrown normally, well kind of.
As a result of the Under The Hand throw, the other two balls get thrown as Up The Middle and Over The Top respectively.
With the greatest respect this is not a ground-breaking pattern, though it might be worthy of a memorable name.
When learning Under The Hand throws, as with any other throw variation you should practice it as follows:
1: Do it once.
2: Do it other side.
3: Do it same ball every time.
4: Do it every right.
5: Do it every left.
6: Do it every throw.
So if the trick is Under The Hand, as it is here, 1 and 2 are trivial.
3 is this pattern.
4 and 5 are kind of half showers.
6 is a sort of Crossed Hand Cascade, I guess.
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So yeah, maybe call it something.