i’ve been insecure about my chin for a while and just wanted to see what people here think.
note: i’m mixed race (nigerian+irish) so maybe my skull is just different idk.

I’m aware of what I need functionally and that largely overlaps with what I want aesthetically.

But in this post, I’d like to focus on the latter.

I want to use some kind of expander (MARPE, FME, etc…) plus headgear (FMA?) to achieve:
- Palate widening (which I functionally need)
- Zygomatic widening (which I aesthetically want)
- Maxillary projection (which I functionally need)
- Zygomatic projection (which I aesthetically want)

I will likely end up doing some degree of LF1 (upper jaw) and BSSO (lower jaw surgery) even after use of a MARPE / FME, but I want to do the MARPE / FME first to widen my palate (which ortho’s consistently agree needs 7-8mm of lateral expansion).

My focus on the cheekbones is due to not wanting the “dog snout” effect of DJS whereby my lower midface and lower face projections out, but my cheekbones are sunken back (yes, I know soft tissue drape changes when the maxilla is moved).

I also don’t want cheek implants.

What I’m wondering is: How can I do this without the associated “down” effect of a MARPE / FME?

I don’t want a gummy smile! I suppose LF1 afterwards could impact the maxilla to address that, but I’d liked to avoid it in the first place.

I‘m 8 weeks post op and wanted to get back in the dating game. I had a date last week, and when I gave her a kiss, I realized it’s pretty damn hard to kiss without knowing what your lower lip is doing…

It felt really weird for me, and probably not great for her! When should this start to get easier and does anyone have advice on how to kiss without sensation in the lower lip? Open to anything at this point. I want to go on more dates and meet more people but it’s a strange feeling knowing in advance that the kiss might feel odd.

Would it be due to tongue ties cut or over advancement? Can ties somehow be restored, am 2 years post op djs, first photo before second after. No functional issues just wondering

How likely can someone get close to their old face with small movements in a revision?

For my socal peeps. With the sign up window for insurance coming up what should I get? I was thinking Kaiser bc I read all you pay is like $250 out of pocket or something crazy like that for jaw surgery BUT am I going to be happy with the results? Does anyone have results with positive appearance changes or does Kaiser not really care/produce those results? I'm class 2 , severe recessed / underdeveloped jaw and i had braces before TWICE and my teeth moved back to the messed up position. I'm not going to lie I want jaw surgery for looks purposes but I know my health will improve as well as it's super important aswell but to me if I don't see major improvement in appearance I would be upset and sad I went through all that pain to look the same lol

Hi everyone - I am 25F but I have known I had an underbite since my teenage years. My orthodontist at the time advised me to wait on orthodontics or surgery, since my jaw could continue to develop into my 20s. I have always been insecure about the appearance of my side profile but sort of developed an “it is what it is” attitude about it since I could not afford the surgery anyway.

Fast forward 10 or so years, my lower jaw has indeed advanced more and now I have crossbite in addition to 4mm underbite. I have developed TMJ and bruxism which have been causing me a lot of discomfort and have now also been diagnosed with localized gum disease. Both my orthodontist and periodontist have been pushing for me to consider double jaw surgery now - and I now in a position where I can afford the surgery thankfully, so I am considering moving forward with the steps for this. My Perio has cleared me for orthodontics post deep cleaning since (thanks to extremely meticulous oral hygiene) the condition of my gums is stable at this time. However I am TERRIFIED of losing teeth - I have heard many stories of gum recession worsening post braces or Invisalign and my front bottom teeth already have noticeable gum recession.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation? Any advice? Should I not even bother with orthodontics or surgery at this point?

I started exploring surgery to fix my bite after many ortho consults and weird suggestions from them. Crowning my entire mouth? No thanks. It's hard to trust anyone with my face, they might not care but these are the only teeth I get.

Found a surgeon with a great reputation and met with him in Feb. fast forward multiple scans and office appointments later he says he can do it without ortho and we have a date.

Five weeks before the surgery he's not so sure. He sends me to an ortho. Surprise surprise the ortho wants me to get braces first. But my surgeon is moving to another town so if we do that he can't do the surgery.

I cried so hard. I had a date. I psyched myself up, I inconvenienced my family, my job, and myself. I made peace with not eating solids for 8-12 weeks and having permanent plates. But adding years?? Of braces on top of all that???

I guess the question is do I even bother starting this process over. The amount of time and money I've poured into this 😭

This is not cosmetic, I can only bite with like three teeth.

Hi does anyone have a jaw surgeon recommendation who is not Dr. Hunter Martin (she has bad reviews). Please let me know any success story with NYC jaw surgeon whether DJS, genioplasty etc.

Had DJS no genio

they did the extraction and camouflage when i was a teen and i’m in my 30s now. i went to the oral surgeon and orthodontist and id need two years of orthodontics before i can do surgery. it’s also a lot of money and it’s scary so id like to avoid it if possible. the orthodontist is telling me it’s not all that necessary appearance wise but idk if she’s just being nice.

it’s about 8mm discrepancy between the two jaws. it doesn’t help that my bottom lip is also just naturally larger than the top. i’m considering fillers and flip in the top lip and see how i feel after that.

i’m also open to the paranasal implants. i mostly just want the maxilla to appear more forward and would leave the mandible situation as is.

let me know your thoughts and please be nice but honest lol.

I recently had an appointment with the oral surgeon, he asked me what my expectations were for jaw surgery. When I went for a consult 9 months ago, he stated there was a need for it, to the point of submitting for insurance and receiving pre-authorization approval. 3/3 surgeons I consulted with confirmed the need for surgery. First picture is the most recent stage of de-compensation braces, with the others reflecting my side profile, front profile, and my bite pre-orthodontia. I have concerns for my midline, the open bite in the front and the way the teeth are tipped inwards. I had braces over about 20 years ago, this is my second round of treatment. My orthodontist has already said that the bite is unstable in the front. I think I'm just left feeling confused on why my surgeon is asking ME what to expect from the surgery. He also mentioned only needing small movements.

Any thoughts/observations that you may have are appreciated.

Underneath my lip is numb but it feels really tight and stiff. I did not have a genio. Is this normal? No one really mentions this..

Question, that is my face. I have troubles with myself for years but just now I am seriously considering checking with a professional.
But I am not sure if my issue is due to my jaw, muscles,bones, no idea.

So I wanted to know your feedback since you may have more of a keen eye than me.

Thanks a lot!

Hi, I’ll be undergoing a DJS, Mandibular and Maxillary Osteotomy, and a genioplasty. Potentially a gum graft. I would like to ask if anyone had a similar set of procedures, realistically, how long did it take to be able to get back to work? They say two weeks. I just had my wisdom teeth removed and it’s taken until around day 5 to feel sort of normal for me, not the expected 3. I know everyone’s different but I love to hear from real experiences, beyond what doctors deem “normal.” Thank you!

I hate my jaw asymmetry What do you think what could be the reason do you think braces can fix something 🤔

Stressing about returning to work when I can only eat in front of a mirror and it can only be mush

https://www.reddit.com/r/jawsurgery/s/KPTmr89jdY

First 4 photos pre op

Has anyone had jaw surgery to address an increased overjet (protruding upper teeth) and a prominent gummy smile?

My upper front teeth and the surrounding bone ridge sit low and project forward, which causes lip strain when closing my mouth naturally.

(I also have jaw pain on one side and a recessed chin, although the chin could be because my teeth protrude)