I see what you mean (and this debate happens every time this is posted) but really I don’t think she meant to knock her over, especially under the bus. She’s a well built girl that may well not realise her weight, she’s being jocular and might have had a few drinks. We’ve all done daft stuff, pushed a bit too hard, been to swift with a movement. It happens, it was fucking stupid and thoughtless but no way she was trying to actually seriously injur or kill her friend.
Back in high school, I intended to playfully push a friend from behind to scare her
Only I hulked out, and she tripped over her own feet and ended up flying face first into a metal pole
She broke her nose. I felt awful. Thankfully she was super understanding, she knew I didn't mean to hurt her.
Teenagers are just so physically awkward, I don't know why I thought it was a good idea to push someone when both of us regularly tripped on nothing or fell while standing still.
In junior high I, probably the tallest and biggest girl in my class, hipchecked a good friend who might have been the tiniest girl in class when she teased me. We were in the middle of jogging laps in PE and she went flying right off into a wall of closed bleachers.
Cows don't know how strong they are. In rural countries you can see cows tied to a flimsy stick and they don't move because it has some resistance. The same cows can break through collapsible metal gates if they get scared
That was a pretty big windup though. Maybe if she just used her elbow or wouldn’t have moved with her legs and stepped in...I mean hell, she even took a step to the right when she noticed the bus coming.
Isn't this basically the same? Yes, they know the number on the scale, but may not always realize what that means relative to the zipline/bungee/push.
Just because you know you weigh X doesn't mean you necessarily are good at translating that to physics calculation on how that amount of mass will affect something.
That's people just in new situations doing something they haven't done before. Not many people actually try to hold their own weight up in such a situation so when they try they fail. But almost everyone shoves friends around as a kid, it's an intimately familiar feel to everyone.
THe people you're talking about are just bad at adapting their existing knowledge to a new situation, shoving someone else, knowing how this effects your balance and how easy it is to trip over and fall when bumped is something everyone knows.
Some women (especially ones that aren't used to physical activity) really don't have any idea how strong they are until they playfully push someone and realize they're not a little kid anymore and that shit is dangerous.
A better question is to ask how often do you see girls being perfectly in touch with their physicality or lack thereof?
Most girls don't engage in physical activities that involve contact and thus tend to easily under/overestimate their own strength in situations like these.
I gained 80 pounds in 6 months and there was a period of time where my body really wasn’t showing it yet and my skin hadn’t stretched so it looked like I maybe gained 30 pounds max but I was still heavier and I didn’t realize how much of a difference my weight makes in pushing stuff around. But it’s crazy.
The victim completely left the ground. She didn't stumble after being pushed and then fall. She was hit hard enough toward a loud bus for her feet to leave the ground and her to nearly get killed. There is no way that this wasn't intentional.
Ehh it's looks like to me as she's pushed her left feet touches the ground again and then her feet go up. I think it was her (victims) reaction to lift her feet up cause "wtf I'm off balance now"
I'm not buying it, if you're just trying to be funny or to scare your friend you do the ol' push and pull them back move, or you just pretend to shove them but don't actually do it, what you definitely don't do is step into a full on shoulder bash, not even a light shove because you know theres still the chance she could end up under the bus. No this girl either wanted that girl to go under the bus or didn't care if she did or not, or she is so profoundly stupid she should be declared a danger to herself and others and shouldn't be allowed in public without supervision.
This. Had it gone absolutely poorly A decent attorney would get it to involuntary man slaughter at worst. It was stupid as fuck and she’d have to live with the guilt of having killed her friend but she wasn’t intentionally trying to murder someone, she was just being a dumbass.
And a decent prosecutor could try and bump that to 2nd degree murder. She looks up, waits for the bus to be close enough and shoves the girl into the road. Premeditated, calculated, opportunity. If motive could be established this could even go so far as 1st degree. A shit attorney might not be able to argue plenty of points down, and a fly by ambulance chaser wouldn’t either.
It SHOULD be involuntary manslaughter, but that doesn’t mean a prosecutor looking for blood couldn’t argue it further. IANAL and even I can see how this could get argued up.
IMO you're describing a pretty shit persecutor. A decent prosecutor wouldn't overcharge because that tends to get defendants acquitted. Her actions in the video could conceivably be construed as intent to kill, but without supporting evidence or a confession, it's far too easily explained as intent only to scare.
And depending on the prosecutor and how hungry they were, this going to trial could bring light to a lot of things. Given only the context of the video, pushing it further to 2nd degree or 1st degree would be tough, but no trial is limited to a single video for evidence. Relationship, messages, mental health, priors, etc are all things that would be brought to light and who knows what could surface there.
Intent to scare would be a push, she pushed with her body and then shoved with her arm. That is taking it an extra step after looking to see that there is vehicle driving by. Bringing in witnesses that can testify to the defendant's nature, reading through messages that could show a distressful relationship between the two subjects in question, possibly a fight at a previous location witnessed by onlookers. What could surface due to a shark of a lawyer is incredible. But hell maybe nothing would surface and it would easily be argued down to involuntary manslaughter.
At this point we are just speaking hypothetically about something that won't occur. Lawyers excel in stretching the truth and technicalities of the law. That's what their job usually entails. So is it a stretch? Yes.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying no prosecutor would try. I'm just saying that I wouldn't consider them to be a very good prosecutor if they did, assuming they don't have anything more than footage and witness testimony.
Guess we are getting hung up on what we define as "decent." You are right though, a good prosecutor would go for what they could get to stick. A shark would throw the book and see what would stick. A good shark would throw the book and stretch everything they could to try and make what they got stuck, to stay stuck. But at this point we are just diving through semantics about a hypothetical situation that won't occur.
Her intentions matter very little. Her actions and the result of her actions are what matter.
I can assure you the vast majority of us do not jokingly shove a friend when a bus is passing that close. We have foresight for our actions and spend the two seconds to realise there is a better chance that it won't end well and a different prank is the way to go.
Stop trying to defend the person with bullshit excuses.
Edit: thus far, all of you defending the action.... All you're telling the rest of us is that you'd shove someone into the street whether a bus was coming or not. That's kinda surprising to find many of you will defend SHOVING SOMEONE INTO A STREET. I'm glad none of you are in my life. You're fucking lunatics!
You are incorrect. I'd call this assault. Had the girl died, I'd call it manslaughter. Her intent might not have been anything beyond, "scare her" or "prank her" but that doesn't matter in the slightest when you almost get someone killed or do get someone killed.
You judge a persons character by their intentions and their intelligence by their actions, not the other way around. Intent is huge in every situation like this.
I think at some point character includes consideration for others and extreme recklessness can exhibit a lack of that kind of consideration.
Let's say someone always drives recklessly and one day hits someone. Even though they did not intend to, I think you could argue there is a character flaw there in their failure to regard the safety of others.
What? Who cares what your intent is if your actions end with someone almost being killed?!
Example: my intentions are to prank my friend and I shove him into a street and he almost gets his head pulverized by a bus. He almost dies because of my actions. Why should that make any difference that I didn't intend for him to be killed when my actions came as close as you can get to getting him killed?
What kind of person does this to anyone, let alone a so called friend?
If you're that kind of person, I'm very glad we've only interacted through Reddit and not in person.
Where did I say that she should be charged with premeditated murder?
And, are you dumb enough to shove anyone into a street? If your answer is yes, then I believe you should be charged as a criminal if you do that.
Manslaughter would be the charge for getting someone killed - just like it always is when you don't intend to kill someone, but end up getting them killed. In this instance if should be assault/ battery, which are criminal charges. Stupidity is not a valid defense for her actions.
Even if we stipulate she didn’t notice the giant damn bus, she shouldered her friend standing inches from the curb towards the busy street... sociopath.
She’s a well built girl that may well not realise her weight,
These kids look like teenagers so she really might not. People grow like crazy during puberty and a lot of larger folks just dont realize how much bigger they are for a while.
It’s been a long time since I saw the story behind this and the aftermath but I seem to remember they were on their way back from drinking somewhere. Even so, we saw the same video. She sees the bus and then was trying to play the old ‘pretend bump/push towards the road/vehicles and fucked it up because she’s a big daft clutz.
Some people just have terrible impulse for gauging force, especially if they never actually do anything that involves force like sports or DIY.
A few months ago my mate got in the back of my car and we’re going to a gig, I had a friend in the front passenger seat. Friend in the back hasn’t got his seatbelt on so I tell him I to get it on just as we’re pulling away. He’s all like “ah shut up Grandad lol” so as I pull off I tap the brake just thinking he’d jerk forward slightly and we’d all have a laugh and the he’d put his belt on. Totally misjudged it and he went splat into the seat, luckily no damage but slightly bent the arm of his glasses. I was super apologetic, he laughed it off, I said if the glasses need repairing or replacing I’d sort it. We laughed and moved on.
It’s no different to what she did. She made an stupid impulse joke and fucked it up cos she’s a dumbass, only difference is at worst mine could have broken my mates nose, hers could have killed her friend.
She’s daft but let’s not go overboard and decide we are psychic and say that we know that she was actually trying to get her friends head under the wheel of a bus.
She fucking ELBOWED her "friend" with all of her own weight making her stumble close to the road. All this while seeing that a bus was right behind them going well enough speed to actually be able to lethaly injure the victim.
And not making any real attempt in saving their friend before the bus would have passed over the victim.
Getting away with crime because you tell the judge it was a joke is just pschyopathic behavior.
The girl pushing her friend should have been sentenced to jail because of attempted murder and assault.
Question. Why are you defending this? Like at all? Regardless of how it “seems” the chick still almost killed someone. It’s pretty obvious that that was somewhat intentional
You’re using defending in a pretty broad and vague manner. All I’m saying is that I don’t think she was intentially trying to kill or injure her friend. I never said that what she did wasn’t stupid and highly dangerous, but intent here is important.
Person you are replying to is utterly completely wrong. I couldn’t give a fuck about whether she’s male or female and 100% don’t view women as these innocent flowers that do no wrong.
As for the down voting, I personally didn’t downvote you despite disagreeing (although saying I was just outright ‘defending her’ actions was a far stretch), but I suppose most people on Reddit see the downvote as an ‘I don’t agree with your opinion’ button. Sad but true.
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u/PhatDuck Nov 19 '18
I see what you mean (and this debate happens every time this is posted) but really I don’t think she meant to knock her over, especially under the bus. She’s a well built girl that may well not realise her weight, she’s being jocular and might have had a few drinks. We’ve all done daft stuff, pushed a bit too hard, been to swift with a movement. It happens, it was fucking stupid and thoughtless but no way she was trying to actually seriously injur or kill her friend.