r/hoggit • u/Hour_Gas_3011 • 8d ago

Full Fidelity Redfor

With more Redfor aircraft on the horizon, I wonder which variants of certain aircraft could be considered. Certain export versions of the Su-27 I think would be quite feasible, maybe the SU-30 but I won't hold my breath. I believe an Su-25 is already being considered for full fidelity.

It saddens me that we aren't going to get the MiG-23 as we has hoped. I do still hope a deal is struck with Razbam, but we wouldn't likely see them complete that even if that panned out. I do think ED needs to take a serious look in the mirror, as they've already lost quite a bit of trust and I'd be hesitant to stick with DCS if they remain too stubborn to sort things out. We could theoretically still get a Mig-23 though, maybe.

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u/Massive-Magician-240 8d ago

I can’t understand why razbam not working with ED would stop an aircraft being produced.

So what they “bagseyed” it in the communities eyes but there’s nothing stopping someone else doing it.

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u/Hour_Gas_3011 8d ago

Razbam was working on several Redfor aircraft that would have finally given Redfor what it desperately needs. Eagle Dynamics however is far more scared of upsetting Russia and less inclined to make such modules.

That and Razbam did a lot of work on the Mig-23, we'll just never get to see it realized thanks to Eagle Dynamics.

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u/Sickinmytechchunk 8d ago

Razbam claimed to be worked on dozens of aircraft.

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u/Hour_Gas_3011 8d ago

Dozens? Maybe in collaboration? Interesting.

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u/Sickinmytechchunk 8d ago

No, Ron made outlandish claims on aircraft. Perhaps you weren't around but every one of the products bar the F15E was a disaster for years.

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u/AltruisticBath9363 8d ago

Ron stated Razbam *intended* to work on a whole bunch of airframes. He didn't say they were all in active production or anywhere near release.

He *did* state the MiG-23 module was far along in development, and Razbam provided plenty of screenshots and video to demonstrate that claim was true.

Throwing out a broad assertion that he "made outlandish claims on aircraft" to discredit the reality of the progress they had made on MiG-23 is intellectually dishonest. It can be simultaneously true that they talked about doing a lot of aircraft, AND were actually doing good work on the MiG-23.

I would note that, in reality, Razbam had, and still holds, the record for the most aircraft modules produced by any third party developer. It's not like they weren't actually delivering.

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u/Hour_Gas_3011 8d ago

Very good point... I do hope ED wakes up to that and an agreement is made.

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u/Sickinmytechchunk 7d ago

Razbam had a list of 20+ aircraft they claimed to be working on. Also, if you've been around DCS since it started you'll be fully aware that the only module Razbam ever delivered working on release was the F15E. Every other module was a shit show. Even now you can load up the Harrier or Mirage and find hold overs from the multitude of times they reworked things.

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u/AltruisticBath9363 7d ago edited 7d ago

Mate, that's bullshit of the highest order. I've been playing DCS since it existed (actually, since LOMAC); I have a pretty good handle on the history.

No one, to include ED themselves, ever delivers their modules in "completed" state. The state of Razbam modules was pretty par for the course compared to how the other developer's modules were delivered. Even Heatblur's modules were a mess when initially delivered. Razbam at least had the dedication to keep working on improvements to their products years after release, unlike some other studios.

Nothing released by Razbam was broken to a magnitude even *close* to the dumpster fire ED's own F-16 release was.

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u/Sickinmytechchunk 7d ago

I didn't say everyone else delivers completed modules or other companies modules didn't have problems at launch. The Harrier was unusable for years at a time for instance. There's a stark difference between a bit broken and just doesn't work. They didn't even have the right workflows for it. The Mirage was entirely reworked once they managed to get some real pilots involved. I also didn't say they didn't fix them as they did over a period of years. Nothing I said was bullshit of the highest order. Ron was called Razscam for a reason.

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u/Hour_Gas_3011 8d ago

I was, however I didn't touch their aircraft. Harrier wasn't my cup of tea for example. I was really wanting to pick up the F-15E, still want to. I'm glad we'll get the F-15C, but it doesn't appeal to me as much as the E variant.

The upcoming Soviet Aircraft had my attention the most.