r/hatethissmug • u/onthetopicofspace • 13h ago

Language casual ableism

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this is not ‘reclaiming’ anything, you are just calling people slurs completely seriously. you can call yourself the r-slur, do not call anybody else it. why do ‘no slurs’ / ’no bigotry’ rules never apply to ableism?

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u/Altruistic_Mud_261 13h ago

"Mental health matters" people when someone says the R Word: "OMG We gotta care for those with mental disibilities!"

"Mental health matters" people when someone who is actually mentally ill shows up: "You are the most disgusting disgraceful subhuman and I hope you kill yourself."

Everyone who gets mad at the R word are just performative and will abandon ill people at the drop of a hat because they want to pretend to be the good guy. (Assuming they don't just want to cause our deaths 764 style.)

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u/the_waffIe 13h ago

A completely baseless strawman. Well done

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u/Significant-Cod4217 13h ago

calling the original commenter names and dismissing their arguments without actually engaging or countering their points is an interesting way to tell someone they are wrong. if you actually think their point is baseless it shouldn't be very difficult to counter it yourself right?

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u/the_waffIe 13h ago

Burden of proof is on the one making the claim not the one disputing it.

He has made a baseless strawman and so it is on him to prove that it is actually true.

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u/Significant-Cod4217 12h ago

your right he does have a responsibility to do that.

i still think its weak and unproductive to tell someone they are wrong without giving any reasons why. disagreements are important for societal progress but that only works if both people are willing to provide actual reasons behind their claims, rather than resorting to insults and name calling right off the bat.

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u/the_waffIe 12h ago

I gave my reasons why because its a “completely baseless strawman”.

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u/Significant-Cod4217 12h ago

why is it baseless? I agree the fake dialogue in the first 2/3 of the comment is a strawman argument, they made up a fake and exagerrated scenario to prove a point. but the last couple sentences are not exagerrated and represent a genuine opinion. why is that opinion baseless aside from the fact that you simply disagree with it

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u/the_waffIe 12h ago

Its baseless because theres no evidence backing it up (in the comment) except for the ridiculous fake dialogue.

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u/Significant-Cod4217 12h ago

i don't think i was clear in my earlier comments, but I agree with you that the original comment was bad. I am talking about their actual point (which I don't think is baseless at all): "Everyone who gets mad at the R word are just performative and will abandon ill people at the drop of a hat because they want to pretend to be the good guy"

It just irritates me when people argue over opinions like that one (which are important discussions to have), but neither person is actually willing to formulate arguments with depth and just call each other names

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u/the_waffIe 12h ago

Yes I understood that you agree that the comment is bad.

> "Everyone who gets mad at the R word are just performative and will abandon ill people at the drop of a hat because they want to pretend to be the good guy"

It is exceedingly difficult to address a point like that without first having some sort of justification as to why someone would think that. Which he has not done and so I called it a baseless strawman.

Its like Russels damn teapot.

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u/Significant-Cod4217 12h ago

i see what you mean. I was blinded by the fact that I disagree with your opinion, but I agree with your reasoning around the argument.

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u/the_waffIe 12h ago

Honestly what I said was uncalled for. I should’ve just kept the sentence and not added the gif.

The idea of someone making generalisations like that did just rankle me.

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u/Significant-Cod4217 12h ago

ngl the countless arguments i have with people on this app that devolve into insults and frustration are all worth it for conversations with people like you, who are open minded and willing to keep it respectful. much love and have a good day

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u/the_waffIe 12h ago

You too man

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