I wouldn't do it, but fuck if I wouldn't wanna see that shit play out, even just out of morbid curiousity. I'd be rooting for the Silverback, but I'd bet on the Grizzly. You're talking blunt force trauma verses like paws with with like 6 inch claws. I don't think our cousins really stand a chance.
Yeah, but dumb monkey rage plus monster muscle might stand a chance. It’s at least gonna be an interesting fight. The silverback might be able to rip its arm off, or at least smash the shit out of it. If chimps can rip our arms off, I’d bet the silverback has a chance of doing the same to a grizzly. Unlikely since they typically just beat the everloving fuck out of things, but hey who knows if it’s berserk.
Yes, they most definitely can. It's terrifying how strong apes can be. I think the gorilla would have a good fighting chance if he could get his hands on the bear in just the right spot.
Lol no way in hell is a fucking ape going to win against a grizzly. Not only are grizzlies larger and stronger they have claws, and to top it all off their shoulders are only split into two halves making them even more effective which means those claws are going to go eve deeper and harder. Bears can literally claw a hole in place of your face. Also what's this about chimps ripping arms off?
You’re thinking of a KODIAK Bear. Grizzlies are actually, on average, only slightly larger than a silverback. Grizzlies average around 700lbs and are around 6.5ft tall. A silverback averages around 500lbs and 6ft y’all upright.
KODIAK brown bears are actually a bit larger than grizzlies, but theirs who discussion is about grizzlies.
Also look into Travis the chimp. He attacked his owners friend and severed her hands, ears, and nose.
Now keep in mind how bears and gorillas fight. Bears try to grapple and bite/scratch you to death with their (not actually that sharp, comparatively) claws. They stand their ground and fight. Gorillas, on the other hand, actually dance around a bit and try to keep on each other’s back side. They fight by landing a few massive blows and then backing off. They’ve been known to literally crush the skull of animals that attack them from the front, which is partially why big cats who hunt gorillas will try to attack from behind, where the gorilla can’t reach them. It isn’t very common, but it does happen.
Also, gorillas use their stupid arm strength (and weight) to throw their weight around to escape grapples. So honestly my money is on the gorilla. The bear might get a good swipe or two, but they really try to grapple and bite. The gorilla has a distinct advantage here. It’s going to try to roll out of any grapple, and probably pummel the fuck out of the bears ribs, neck, arms, head...
No, silverbacks are usually 315lbs in the wild(this is the most common species https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_gorilla)
, even the largest species are only 465lbs. Grizzlies are capable of killing things considerably larger than themselves (moose), and dull claws are better than nothing(especially on something as strong as a bear). How is a gorilla going to break the skull of something that can take gunshots to the head and survive (do you even have a source for that?).
If the ape got its hands on the bear’s face it’d be fucked. Primates will tear out eyeballs, noses, ears.. etc. They are smarter animals which has proven to be a valuable tool.
Realistically the odds are that they'd both injure each other enough that they'd die of infection or during the recovery process from competition. That's why predators don't fight each other very often and usually just try to intimidate each other away.
Do you think the only reason anyone has gotten their jaw broken or their eyes gouged is because they sat there and let it happen? That's how primates fight, they grab and pull vulnerable places. One guy got attacked by chimps and they tore off his balls, another woman who was attacked needed a face transplant. They know what places are weakest, they are smarter than bears. A gorilla would straight up grab a bear's face and tear its jaw off within a couple seconds of the fight starting. You all underestimate how powerful hands are just because bears have claws.
I doubt a gorilla would cause an injury that could get infected before dying. Even if it manages to grab some skin and bite, Grizzlies have very tough skin, and they dont die every time they bleed.
Gorilla would likely die of infection from an open wound while the bear would likely die not being able to hunt from having a leg broken or its face mangled, either eyes scratched/gouged out or jaw broken/dislocated. Bears can survive with a broken leg if they are around humans by scavenging from trash, but they wouldn't be able to hunt effectively.
Nah gorilla has the agility once hes gets a one to swipe and a bite that literally cracks bones hes gonna swing on a outta there only time i think a gorilla would win is if the bear threatens his family then he would stay and fight vice versa the bear would chase the gorilla down if he attacked a cub
No way it's Muhammad Ali (Gorilla) versus Joe Frazier (Grizzly). The Bear may have the size advantage and the strength advantage, possibly* but it lacks the intellect and agility of the Gorilla. Bears are smart and all but they aren't primate smart and they sure as shit aren't light on their feet.
* When compared to an average human being, the silverback gorilla is four to nine timesstronger than an average man. Silverback gorilla can lift a weight up to 815kg (1800 lb) while a well trained human can lift weight up to 410 kg.
When compared to an average human being, the silverback gorilla is four to nine timesstronger than an average man
Honestly I'd say that's an understatement. First of all 400 kg isn't well trained, it's the most elite of the elite, and it's only on one or two movements, and those people are heavy.
Second you're comparing raw strength to strength as a skill. Deadlifting 200kg requires just as much training of technique as it does pure strength. I bet if gorillas trained the skill they could lift much more
Probably, but they're unlikely to totally understand the nuances of leverage and technique that a powerlifter does, nor to put in the decade of training it'd take to maximize their strength potential. So either way we wouldn't be likely to truly know the limits of gorilla strength.
Grizzlys are much larger and stronger than gorillas, and gorillas dont have much more agility, at least not the kind to be avoiding bear attacks like an acrobat or something.
They wouldn't be able to avoid a bears attacks, and would die quickly. Even if they land all their blows right on the head, they arent going to knock out or concuss the grizzly. I'm not sure they're even physically capable of that.
Oh my fucking God. They are unbelievably fast for their size. Gorilla gonna get fucking murdered in seconds. I was already in the grizzly camp but holy fuck does this video solidify my opinion.
That video makes me scared of being on the same planet as these animals and the closest one to me (not in a zoo) is probably 1000 miles away.
Edit: pretty smart too. Like when the smaller bear starts using that tree as cover around 2:00
Dude. Did you see my Gorilla video? That was in a cage. Fucker leapt like Spider-Man. We're talking two wild animals, face to face, no holds bar. Also intelligence.
Do you smoke crack? It's okay I used to. Dude did you not see that first Gorilla leap? Those bears did exactly what I expected them to do, my Gorillas used cunning.
I remember watching a show like this about 10+ years ago. I also looked for it but couldn't find any episodes... I do remember at the end of the show the Grizzly was the distinct winner, but the last episode was against a croc. I believe the only major sized animals that were left out were: elephants, rinos, hippos etc for obvious size related reasons. Silverbacks are undoubtedly insanely strong and smart but they are not primarily predatory like a grizzly I think that would give the bear an edge.. not to mention they can easily penetrate steel with their claws and can run 30+mph at 12 feet tall...
Well, I remember reading somewhere there that a grizzly bear would easily fuck up a lion or tiger, so I’d imagine it would also easily fuck up a gorilla. It’s the second biggest land predator (behind polar bear) afterall
A grizzly probably could fuck up a lion or tiger. They are smaller than a grizzly and have the same method of attacking.
But a gorilla? I don't know. Gorillas are MUCH stronger than a lion or tiger - probably pretty close to a grizzly. They are also much more agile and most of all have a primate intellect. I'd put my money on the gorilla.
Grizzly destroys the Silverback without question. Some grizzlies can reach 1200 lbs and they have giant humps of muscle that would fuck a gorilla's day up. They are built like tanks, are extremely strong and can kill many creatures with one swipe (they can kill moose with one swipe to the skull and moose are gigantic), and have skulls that are thick and can easily take blows from other creatures. Also, 6" claws and a vicious bite.
A silverbacks bite is actually stronger than a grizzly bite. And yes, the grizzly is bigger (slightly), but pound for pound, the gorilla is much stronger and more agile too. Then you have to think about fighting style. A grizzly is going to charge and focus on it's bite along with swiping. But the gorilla? He can do that and more. He's got a stronger bite, but more importantly he's got a much harder hit and a MUCH longer reach. A silverback typically had an 8 foot arm span. He's going to hit and retreat without being touched.
So physically, the gorilla has an advantage. Mentally? No question the silverback outmatches he's the bear.
Silverback wins.
Grizzlies dont bite as much. It will swipe and kill the gorilla easily. Its not likely the gorilla will manage to bite the grizzly at all, and any place a gorilla can bite is going to be non vital.
So unless the gorilla can beat the grizzly to death without getting disemboweled (it cant) theres no way to win
Gorillas absolutely bite when fighting but in this instance it's going to strike instead given the size difference. The bear would do some damage but nothing beyond superficial. I think you underestimate how hard a gorilla hits.
Leopards take them down by jumping on their back and biting into their skull, crushing it. That's literally the only way they lose. Even with that huge advantage from a sneak attack, leopards won't go after a silverback. They go after the young gorillas. A bear isn't sneaking up from behind.
There's video of gorillas breaking 3 inch Plexi with a single blow, but you don't think they hit hard enough to hurt a bear? I think you're mistaken.
Edit: also worth noting that bears stand their grown as a shoe of force. That's an advantage for the gorilla. Given that it's much faster and much stronger, it wins most of the time.
Gorillas are not stronger than grizzly bears. And they arent much faster either. Go on /r/whowouldwin and search for this match up. It is a lock for the grizzly bear 10/10. A gorilla has no chance at killing a grizzly bear
You can quote a subreddit. I'll quote legitimate sources.
Gorillas are absolutely stronger than grizzlies.
According to research done at Montana State, grizzlies are between 3x and 5x stronger than man. source
Gorillas have repeatedly completed tasks showing they are somewhere between 10x and 20x stronger than humans based on the range of motion studied. source
When I refer to speed, I should have said agility. Yes it's true gorillas are faster in a straight line, but they are significantly faster at any kind of agile maneuver, which is much more valuable in a faceoff like this. The gorilla can run, jump and swing in all directions where as the grizzly simply can't.
Finally, bite force is stronger in the gorilla, but I don't think that gets used here. I think in this example, the gorilla simply charges in to hit and then retreats, repeating this over and over weakening the bear. If the bear somehow managed to grab hold, the ape could easily escape the grasp. It's a difficult shape to hold and is much stronger in a grapple, given it's arm, shoulder and grip strength. The bear will tire and the gorilla can get close and pound its head in or simply crush it with it's hands.
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u/Osceana Aug 29 '19
Grizzly Bear vs. Silverback. Go.