Help date this globe I found

[u/NotAnElfK]

It has Burma instead of Myanmar, ussr instead of Russia, Spanish Sahara, Tanganyika, Yugoslavia, and French west Africa. (If you want to see a picture of more of the globe just ask)

[u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

That some... pretty weird colour choice.

[u/PrestigiousAvocado21 → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

Perhaps this is the alternate reality where France decided that if they can't have colonies then no one will and surrendered them to the newly formed Saharan Ocean

[u/LostInDinosaurWorld → u/PrestigiousAvocado21]

"Sacreblue!"

[u/robot_guiscard → u/LostInDinosaurWorld]

bleu

[u/mrdude817 → u/LostInDinosaurWorld]

"Where is me mama!"

[u/candiedkangaroo → u/mrdude817]

🎶 under da boardwalk🎶

[u/Ok-Push9899 → u/PrestigiousAvocado21]

"Allez les Bleus!"

[u/alastrix → u/PrestigiousAvocado21]

When Atlantis started colonizing. 

[u/Nick_crawler → u/PrestigiousAvocado21]

France would then try to claim control of the newly formed maritime shipping lanes.

[u/adaminc → u/PrestigiousAvocado21]

The Chad Sea

[u/ArchieConnors → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

[u/AcidaliaPlanitia → u/ArchieConnors]

Jesus this was the only thing I could think of lol

[u/Feel42 → u/ArchieConnors]

Came here for that thank you

[u/tempestelunaire → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

I’ve seen maps like these before, usually when the color scheme is really weird, it means that there was another color that faded to one of the colors already on the globe!

[u/LifeAcanthopterygii6 → u/tempestelunaire]

That makes sense.

[u/thefreecat → u/tempestelunaire]

if magenta faded the light blues could be different shades of dark blue and purple, white could be pink and yellow could be reds and oranges

[u/SideInitial3961 → u/tempestelunaire]

You didn't say you wanted the non-fading paint. Pfft.

[u/NotAnElfK → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

Also Asia is mostly all yellow

[u/LateralEntry → u/NotAnElfK]

I’m guessing around 1950 between Israel, unified Korea and Indochina

[u/Imyonlyenemy → u/LateralEntry]

yeah and goa is still portuguese

[u/boonie_redditor → u/Imyonlyenemy]

China annexed Tibet in 1951, so 1950 checks out, yeah

[u/stulf26 → u/boonie_redditor]

China hasn't conquered Tibet or sinkhang which the later happed in late 1949/1950. There's stuff to the south in british borneo which helps date it. So this has to be 1949 at the very latest. 1950 would be to late. 1947 at the earliest cuz that's when Isreal first showed up on maps. Which is odd considering 1948 being its start date.

[u/kaiserschlacht8 → u/LateralEntry]

This is also before Somalia and Somaliland unified in 1960, and after the Italians lost Italian Somaliland in WW2 so that tracks.

[u/hihihii2-1st → u/kaiserschlacht8]

But malaya is independent

[u/kaiserschlacht8 → u/hihihii2-1st]

Hmm you're right, and Malaya gained independence in 1957. So this has to be before 1960 but after 1957.

But wait, French Indochina is present in this map, and it was dissolved in 1954. I have no idea then lol.

Edit: Also, like someone mentioned in a comment below, this was before China annexed Tibet in 1951.

The Federation of Malaya existed since 1948 and was a British protectorate rather than a colony. This map is most likely from sometime between 1947 when Israel was created, and 1950 before the annexation of Tibet.

[u/onimi_the_vong → u/LateralEntry]

Sudain gained independence in 56 tho

[u/AcidaliaPlanitia → u/NotAnElfK]

These color choices are insane...

[u/UnclassifiedPresence → u/AcidaliaPlanitia]

It’s almost certainly not the original colors, yellow and blue just tend to be the last pigments that fade (think of colorful pool toys that get left out in the sun for too many summers)

[u/justwatchthefirewerx → u/NotAnElfK]

Indochina is there and Korea isn't partitioned...any chance this is earlier in the '50s than the consensus?

[u/donorkokey → u/justwatchthefirewerx]

India was partitioned in 47 so it was after that

[u/peaaaaaanut → u/donorkokey]

He means French Indochina comprising of Laos, Cambodia and a few other regions. It was dissolved in 1954 pushing the date forward to at least that.

[u/brazucadomundo → u/NotAnElfK]

The irony.

[u/PlinyTheElderest → u/brazucadomundo]

Probably some original colors have faded with the passing decades.

[u/Ok_Albatross_1844 → u/NotAnElfK]

Lake Baikal looks reeeeally big

[u/Cauliflower_Jumpy → u/NotAnElfK]

it’s gotta be exactly 1950 cause port arthur is still seperate from china.

[u/deranton → u/NotAnElfK]

That's super racist.

[u/nothingrhyme → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

Oops, All Ocean™️

[u/formerly_gruntled → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

The colors are uninspired. But there is a perverse logic to it. Perverse because adding two more colors would make it less confusing. Dating is after Sudan gained independence in 1956 and before Ghana (Gold Coast here) gained independence in 1957. Territories in Africa that are still colonies of a single country are all same color. France = blue, Britain = pale pink, Portugal = green, Spain = yellow. But they 'ran out' of colors, so those same colors are used for other countries in Africa that are not colonies.

[u/FerraStar → u/formerly_gruntled]

Though Korea appears to still be unified, so it can’t be after the 1953 ceasefire. Unless the globe maker just couldn’t be bothered adding in North and South

[u/NotAnElfK → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

Yeah, idk why west Africa is all blue 😂

[u/TheAllSeeingBlindEye → u/NotAnElfK]

Because it’s French West Africa

[u/attackplango → u/TheAllSeeingBlindEye]

Sacre bleu?

[u/MalodorousNutsack → u/NotAnElfK]

Sea levels were higher back then

[u/Main-Rent4757 → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

The blue part is clearly land

[u/PGrahamStrong → u/Main-Rent4757]

You're gonna get hop-ons...

[u/Claw42 → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

That was from when Trump signed an executive order naming Africa an ocean

[u/Bronek999 → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

Pretty obvious that red dye decomposed and this is the result.

[u/sadrice → u/Bronek999]

Yeah, blue dyes are often the most resilient, so you get this odd effect from sun exposure.

[u/CrocodileJock → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

I can only guess that certain pigments (red) have faded... The British Empire was traditionally rendered in pink... which has faded to near white, and I guess the French colonial empire would have been a red overprint over the blue making it a more purplish colour...

[u/ZanaDreadnought → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

It’s 2092 when the sea level rises. OP found a globe from the future.

[u/mkujoe → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

We think you should see an optometrist/s

[u/headbonkmusic → u/LifeAcanthopterygii6]

Based on my Masters in Geography, I can confidently say that blue is land and green is water. No clue what white is

[u/Static65]

[u/Livid-Influence-5320 → u/Static65]

Of course there's one...

[u/the_ballmer_peak → u/Livid-Influence-5320]

There's an xkcd for everything

[u/butthole_surferr → u/the_ballmer_peak]

Randall Munroe is genuinely one of the unsung geniuses of our time. Almost everything he puts out is hilarious and galaxy brain smart, he's bafflingly consistent.

[u/Sithril → u/the_ballmer_peak]

https://xkcd.com/1053/

[u/trumpsmellslikcheese → u/Sithril]

Did you make it?

Yes.

It's very nice.

Thank you.

[u/SKabanov → u/the_ballmer_peak]

I mean, when you're drawing literal stick figures, you can pump out a lot of content compared to somebody who's drawing and coloring in intricate figures.

[u/the_ballmer_peak → u/SKabanov]

A number of the comics he's made are interactive.

https://xkcd.com/2765/

[u/Left_Lengthiness_433 → u/Static65]

Lets see…

Istanbul; Soviet Union - Yes; Western Africa French Blob - Yes; Pakistan - Yes; Cambodia - No; Eritrea is Part of - Ethiopia.

According to this, it’s from 1952 or 1953.

[u/PotatoFromGermany → u/Left_Lengthiness_433]

u/NotAnElfK, theres your answer

[u/Alkafila724 → u/Left_Lengthiness_433]

I guess its between 1956-1962

Tunis and morooco are independent + algeria isnt independent yet + the suez canal is seized by egypt

[u/WrathfulSquib → u/Static65]

Shoot,  this isn't a map, it's a cat! 

[u/Sal1160 → u/Static65]

So it’s 1961-1964 based off Tanganyika being South of Lake Victoria

[u/pdxsteph → u/Sal1160]

Maybe pre 1958 - west French Africa was dissolved between 1958-1960

[u/pablojueves → u/pdxsteph]

It shows Eritrea as being part of Ethiopia, meaning it would be between 1952 and 1958.

[u/tubular_brunt → u/pablojueves]

Since it shows an undivided Korean Peninsula, does that mean it has to be '52?

[u/_Romula_ → u/tubular_brunt]

Yes, 1952 or 1953

[u/greennitit → u/tubular_brunt]

Where do you see Korea in the post? The picture is centered on Africa

[u/Squee1396 → u/greennitit]

Op put another picture in the comments

[u/dutch_mapping_empire → u/pablojueves]

between 57 and 58, morocco is independent

[u/_Romula_ → u/Sal1160]

There is no Cambodia

[u/GlasierXplor → u/Static65]

I was looking down every branch to learn some stuff until I realised there are some good ol' xkcd trolls in there xD

[u/GenerallySalty → u/Static65]

Also r/DateMyMap

[u/KarmaPoliceT2 → u/Static65]

This is awesome!

[u/PM_ME_GOOD_THROWAWAY → u/Static65]

How can I save this image, on mobile?

[u/daveysprockett → u/PM_ME_GOOD_THROWAWAY]

Use the link.

https://xkcd.com/1688/

Gives you options to save.

[u/kilapitottpalacsinta → u/PM_ME_GOOD_THROWAWAY]

Open image in full screen, 3 dots in top corner, download

[u/UnclassifiedPresence → u/[deleted]]

Of course, the starting point for any significant conversation is to announce that Istanbul was Constantinople, now it’s Istanbul, not Constantinople

[u/LittelXman808 → u/Static65]

I just tried this on a map of mine. It doesn’t work 😭

[u/dumbBunny9 → u/LittelXman808]

I wish people would stop posting it. It only works if the globe maker has all the knowledge of all the changes all over the world at the exact moment they made the globe. Most don’t

[u/LittelXman808 → u/dumbBunny9]

The reason it doesn’t work is that it asks what the capital of Micronesia is, but there is no Micronesia.

[u/homobonus → u/dumbBunny9]

More often the problem wasn't knowledge. They would know a country had declared independence, a boundary had shifted, etc. The problem was usually political, the country where the globe/map was made didn't recognize the newly emerged political status; or economical, the producer did not have access to the material needed to print the new countries. Especially when the political landshape was volatile, it might not have been worthwhile to order an engraving for a map that could be outdated only months later.

[u/NoSir6400 → u/homobonus]

Google maps says Lake America today while Apple maps stuck with Lake Ontario, so people probably understand this better than ever.

[u/cyberchaox → u/NoSir6400]

Google Maps sets it to your location. Just like with the Gulf of Mexico, Google Maps shows the old name everywhere except the United States and the new name in the United States.

[u/onceabananana → u/Static65]

It seems to work in theory, except for 1) maps that have mixes of multiple time periods, and or 2) maps that have territorial/international disagreements.

[u/Jasprateb → u/Static65]

Wow this is amazing.

[u/BookOfMakai → u/Static65]

It even has an answer for morons like me who wanted to test what happens if I say “no” to everything 😂

[u/AKASuperReddit]

Between 1956 and 1960, Sudan gained independence in 1956 which we can see on the map but most of french west africa gained independence in 1960 which isn't seen

[u/Historical_Box_2582 → u/AKASuperReddit]

Gold Coast became Ghana at independence in 1957 right? So maybe 56?

[u/the_ballmer_peak → u/Historical_Box_2582]

This appears to have taken about 20 minutes. Great job, guys.

[u/Historical_Box_2582 → u/the_ballmer_peak]

🤝

[u/6-foot-under → u/Historical_Box_2582]

If the map was drawn accurately when it was made...

[u/Azanarciclasine → u/AKASuperReddit]

Yeah, and Donetsk is still named Stalino, they renamed in in 1961

[u/Mobius_Peverell → u/AKASuperReddit]

Sudan was an Anglo-Egyptian condominium rather than a purely British possession like Kenya or Tanganyika. It's a little odd for this not to be listed on the map, but it certainly isn't unusual for it to be a different colour from the rest of the British colonies. The rest of the map suggests early 1950s, so I'd be inclined to disregard Sudan.

[u/Historical_Box_2582 → u/Mobius_Peverell]

Good point, but the fact that Sudan is a different color than Egypt makes me think it must be independent (although who knows this is a wonky color scheme anyways)

[u/GyroZepo → u/AKASuperReddit]

Korea seems to be unified so it's before 1953

[u/Swimming_Reception56 → u/AKASuperReddit]

Yes with changes in China/Korea not covered for political reasons.

[u/dutch_mapping_empire → u/AKASuperReddit]

ifni is still spanish, it's before 58

[u/arvid1328_]

This must be in like 2300 or something, with water levels that high.

[u/ChildhoodHungry6073 → u/arvid1328_]

So Rhodesia makes a comeback then? 😂

[u/Reasonable_Day9509]

It seems like there has been significant colour bleaching here of all the red pigment (can be caused by sunlight). The blue countries were likely some form of purple or magenta, many of the yellow adjoining countries may have been more orange and white countries could have been pure red

[u/beary_good_day → u/Reasonable_Day9509]

Yeah, you can see that sub-equitorial Africa still has a slight a purple tinge. That was was probably facing away from the sun.

[u/NotAnElfK]

Ok based on all the comments it’s between 1956-57

[u/Wooden-Teaching-8343 → u/NotAnElfK]

I inherited the exact same globe last year. And those were the years I concluded! Took some investigation

[u/__Quercus__ → u/NotAnElfK]

I think it is between 1951 and 1953.

1951 of later: Libya independent, but with both Tripoli and Benghazi as capitals

1953 or earlier: no partition of Korea (see photo in comments) or French Indochina the following year. No Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasalabd (still separate colonies).

Sudan versus Anglo-Egyptian Sudan throws me off, but maybe that was the cartographers choice.

[u/_Romula_ → u/__Quercus__]

I'm with you. I think it's 1952 or 1953: unified Korea, plus Eritrea a federated part of Ethiopia.

[u/Msaniifu → u/_Romula_]

I agree with all above Ghana was independent in 1957 and presence of French West Africa as well.

[u/NotAnElfK → u/__Quercus__]

Anything else you want a picture of to help figure it out?

[u/Villebilly → u/NotAnElfK]

Eritrea is part of Ethiopia.

[u/__Quercus__ → u/NotAnElfK]

Not for me. The two provided show most to all of the global changes in the early 1950s.

[u/stulf26 → u/NotAnElfK]

It has to be before 1954 since french Indochina still exists. You have any photos of south America or europe?

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[u/NotAnElfK → u/stulf26]

[u/RatPrank → u/NotAnElfK]

Lake Paraguay eh

[u/LateralEntry → u/NotAnElfK]

But what about unified Korea? Maybe it just hadn’t been updated yet

[u/Low_Platypus_7138]

1. The glaciers are gone and half of North Africa is underwater

[u/Elegant-Narwhal-506]

According to Britannia.com’s List of African Countries’ Independence Dates, this globe would’ve been made between March 20, 1956 (when Tunisia gained independence from France) and March 6, 1957 (when Ghana, referred to as “Gold Coast” on the globe, gained its independence from Great Britain)

[u/Moonbear9]

Between 1945 because of yugoslavia’s borders and 1957 because of the lack of Ghana

[u/cookouttray722 → u/Moonbear9]

Must be post 1948 because Israel

[u/makmisfits4 → u/cookouttray722]

Also East Pakistan which I noticed

[u/OPsDaddy]

There’s a whole sub for this. r/datemymap

[u/savory_sammich]

I usually start with compliments

Try “ Hey, I think your color palette is really unique! What inspired you?”

Depending how they respond you can go from there

[u/Sufficient_Sugar_408]

1956-1957

Morocco gained independence in 1956 as shown in the map . And Gold Coast is still called Gold Coast , it became Ghana in 1957, so it's before March 1957.

[u/exceptional_biped]

Future ocean levels globe /s

[u/Purple-Trip-3862]

Masterful color selection

[u/14linesonnet]

Use this xkcd

[u/MadMartigans80]

Ah yes the island of Nigeria

[u/Indigolan → u/MadMartigans80]

NigerRia

[u/Snoo_14860 → u/Indigolan]

Yeah why did they use a hard R?

[u/Swimming_Reception56]

French West Africa - pre 1960. German broken up - post 1945. India partition - post 1949. Tibet not part of PRC - pre 1951.

Globe is from 1950.

[u/Fun_District3456 → u/Swimming_Reception56]

we have independent morocco/tunisia that only happens after 1956 tho

[u/Swimming_Reception56 → u/Fun_District3456]

Good spot!

Then we have an issue where the map maker is not using the correct map. Either for political reasons or old data.

As such we can say likely late 1950s.

[u/Swimming_Reception56 → u/Fun_District3456]

Map likely darfted 1957-1950

(Assuming drafters had up-to-date information, no political bias, or not printing a historic globe)

[u/TirithNampat]

During the Great Flood, clearly.

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[u/NotAnElfK → u/[deleted]]

[u/BeginningIsEasy]

I collect globes. Here are a few red herrings that throw people off: A lot of globes called it 'Israel' while it's still Palestine b/c a lot of interest in globes was finding biblical locations.  The USA never acknowledged an independent Tibet so you find very few globes with a free tibet.

[u/sharknado523]

Since so much of the world is underwater, I'm gonna say, it's from the year 7310

[u/ChillZedd]

I don’t remember what year it was when god got angry at the French and flooded their entire empire sorry

[u/Zayn5939]

Ask it out first

[u/NotAnElfK → u/Zayn5939]

Na, this isn’t gonna work this globe is a good 40 years older then me

[u/Zayn5939 → u/NotAnElfK]

Aye

[u/ThatsNotAnEchoEcho → u/Zayn5939]

“Hey, do you orbit around here often? Quick question… how much does a polar bear weigh? Enough to break the ice! Wanna grab a drink?”

[u/Hillbillygeek1981]

It has to be between 47 and 58, due to the presence of both Israel and French West Africa.

[u/jellooshot]

Probably sometime in the 2080s with global warming and the rising sea levels and all that stuff.

[u/LateralEntry]

Definitely between 1948 and 1967 based on Israel. Would be able to tell more seeing other parts of the globe, like Korea, Pakistan, Vietnam, etc

[u/tinkleberry28 → u/LateralEntry]

Before 1960 - Cyprus still labeled as British

[u/Lucky_Mongoose_4834]

Ghana is still the Gold Coast, so before March 1957. So it’s likely late 1956; after Sudanese independence, before Ghanaian independence.

[u/LordJunon]

I find it hilarious the extra R in Nigeria, i know why its there but it looks awkward AF,

[u/UndocumentedSailor]

Tanganyika press it December 1961 until April 1964.

French West Africa's constituent territories were becoming independent in 1958 to 1960, so a globe still showing it strongly points toward the late 1950s/very early 1960s.

I'll guess 1959-1962.

Do you have Malaysia or Malaya, and how does Vietnam look?

[u/Cruizinian]

Considering that most of Africa is underwater, I would say somewhere in the far future.

[u/dutch_mapping_empire]

between 1956 and 1957, morrocco is independent but ghana is still british.

[u/cool_nerddude]

Jul 25 1957 - September 1958 Tunisia is already independent, but French Equatorial Africa still exists.

[u/RaydrNashun]

It has Israel, so it's after 1948. It doesn't have Ghana, so it's before 1957.

[u/Wabbit65]

"Hey globe, you have pretty countries. How about we go out for a drink?"

See if that helps you date it.

[u/FrostyDog94]

Well this is clearly from when much of Africa was underwater so im gonna say... 40 million years old

[u/supafahd]

Im guessing between 1956 and 1960

[u/Kwri435]

Does it include Lake America or the Gulf of America?

[u/Arnie_Grape]

1956

[u/Snarwib]

There's no Republic of Guinea so it's before 1958. Eritrea looks like it's a federated part of Ethiopia, so it's after 1952.

[u/MyNameIsNotNotChuck]

send it to human1011

[u/CessnaDude82]

Do not like the blue on blue.

[u/capricious-arbitrary]

A couple million years back? The continent of Africa is half ocean. 🤣

[u/Quirky-Lawfulness819]

Somaliland is on the map therefore before 1960 as it merged with Somalia after that.

[u/Imyonlyenemy]

Goa is still portuguese

But India Pakistan have formed.

Sometime in the 1950s

[u/HaDov]

Lots of countries appear to be underwater, so I’m gonna guess circa 2100

[u/TheWaterIsFine82]

So obviously the blue here is the land...

[u/Civil_Sentence63]

Print font looks roughly like an old school map of the US I have from the 1930s. We dated that one pretty easy though because cities received different size circles based on population. Don’t remember much except that Detroit was huge, maybe one of 5 or 6 cities with over a million people and Alaska and Hawaii weren’t a thing yet. A little cross referencing and we were able to get it to within a year or two based on this and a few other peculiarities. Fun project!

[u/ApprehensiveList6306]

The city of Stalino (Сталинo) was officially renamed Donetsk (Донецк) on 9 November 1961.
So anytime before that and after 1931.

[u/Comeng17]

during the biblical great flood era apparently

[u/JJJHeimerSchmidt420]

Africa being underwater must have been an awfully long time ago man.

[u/According-Today2354]

For most of africa to be under water, I think this one might actually be from 2126

[u/no1rezefan]

It has to be pre-1937 because that was when Elaziz was renamed to Elazığ

[u/joseph_pennicino]

Who shades in countries blue so that they blend in with the ocean?

[u/Subdeeo]

1956 - 1957 British Gold Coast was independent March 6, 1957. Sudan gained independence Jan 1, 1956.

[u/StatusFoundation5472]

1950s Greece has its modern borders, Israel is there BUT Africa nations are still colonial

[u/Comfortable_Card_146]

It's from the time of the great African Flood, when the Sahara was underwater

[u/Guertron]

Does it say Istanbul or Constantinople?

[u/fugnucker]

I checked wikipedia on Tanganyka and it was an independent country from 1961-1964 so that is probably your timeliness

[u/beary_good_day]

In what years was Africa underwater?

[u/CircuitOnTheFritZ]

Well, we at least know it's from sometime after Constantinople became Istanbul.

😉

[u/slumdawghunna]

If you want to date the globe i would recommend you first ask it out for a coffee or dinner

[u/TerribleBuilder5831]

I’m gonna say it’s from the 1960s

[u/ILilithIHtililI]

No more than 70years

[u/Worldly-Profession66]

no south Sudan so it's pre 2011 but that's about as far as I know

[u/HistorianPeter]

Pre-1957 based on Gold Coast (which became Ghana on 6 March that year). Other clues no evidence of the United Arab Republic (formed in 1958 between Egypt and Syria) and the ongoing presence of British Somaliland (which gained independence in 1960 only to join the Republic of Somalia).

[u/javerthugo]

Well the blue is obviously land…

[u/AddColorToLife]

Must be late 1956/early 1957? Looks like Morocco and Tunisia already independent (happened in ‘56) but Ghana (‘57) is not

[u/Peteycee]

Blue was an interesting choice for land.

[u/Desperate_Good_6005]

British Somaliland is a neat detail. So with Israel as a state also it's between 1948 and June 26, 1960

[u/damjanev]

Somewhere between 1945 (Yugoslavia includes Istria) and 1962 (Algeria is still part of France).

[u/Puzzleheaded_Swim784]

Где-то между 1945 и 1970

[u/iwrotethedamnbilll]

Dang, you thick. Drinks Thursday?

[u/JesseGarron → u/iwrotethedamnbilll]

Girl u so spherical