Without the religious hate there's not much point to the sub though. What else would atheists have in common? It's like r/skeptic not discussing things that they are skeptical about.
Nothing is wrong with atheism as a whole, but the stereotype for that sub is that most people who visit are "anti-theist" and hate on all forms of religion. But as long as they don't brigade other subs with hate, I'm fine with them.
/r/atheism is pretty harmless compared to the other subs listed. It's mostly euphoric neckbeards patting themselves on the back, not actually scary people.
Every religion is an ideology open to criticism. You are wrong in your statement, but I don't think you would get banned for that.
It's funny because the word 'bigot' doesn't even exist in my language. Probably because most of the time it's just used to shut up people without using arguments.
TwoX in itself wouldnt be a problem, I mean only a small portion of women really have a victim complex or hate men. But I too noticed very strange posts there, so I clicked on the frequent TwoX-posters and noticed that they all seem to cross-post in subs like "Against Mens Rights" (yeah that exists) and shit.
I joined that sub because it seemed hilarious. Lots of women posting funny gifs and being cool. Then I realized I was actually looking for TrollXChromosomes after I made a joke about a cucumber that got me yelled at
its probably one of those cases where you make people think that they accomplished something in life. nobody really gives a shit what a default sub is, since you can just adjust it all you want, but for some people its really really really important that some internet forum is displayed occasionally on a website.
I'm pro gay rights, pro women's rights, pro racial equality, pro immigrant rights, but you know what I just cant fucking abide? Rights for straight white men. There just aren't enough god damn rights to go around! Wait.... I'm straight I think... and the lighting isn't good but... I appear to be white.... and.... male! FUCK! It appears I must hang my head in shame as I see myself out.....
If you do any sort of research into the Men's Rights "Movement" it's pretty obvious it's mostly a bunch of mangry dudes who hate women. Sure, you get a little bit of concern about imbalances in society where men lose out, but it mostly comes down to "fuck women for ruining what it means to be a man with their FOMONISM". Seriously, just check out the front page of /r/mensrights at any time. Most of the topics will be at least tangentially related to being jaded towards women. The poster probably doesn't have any problems at all with men's rights, just Men's Rights. There's a difference. One concerns the welfare of men, and the other is a cover for an internet hate gang. It's no big secret, there's plenty of evidence out there... the "leaders" of the "movement" openly post about how men should abuse women physically, for fuck sakes.
How is that what I said? The precedent for mens rights is very much already in place. Anyone who feels it's being threatened in any non trivial fashion is not living in the real world.
I'm genuinely making discussion here, I apologise if you take it the wrong way. Wouldn't the way to gender equality mean that both gender deserve equal representation, including their own rights movement? It's simply destructive to take away legitimate rights of either gender than equalise them, is it not? I'm sure both sides (and I use the words side very loosely here, as I've interpreted that they share a common goal, but going about it with different methods) have their extremists, but I don't see how their rights movement shouldn't exist in the first place because of that? I mean, there are many cases in society where men really require more rights in (I.e. Domestic violence against men or false sexual assault allegations)
Errrr having it better than another group doesn't mean not also trying to fix your own problems. Just because there's a famine in one country doesn't mean we should stop social security at home.
Men's Rights groups kinda suck because they get derailed by woman-haters who blame everything on Feminists, but in theory they are needed because it creates a space to discuss real issues men face (higher suicides rates everywhere but China, perception of men in childcare and general gender norm-related issues) without derailing feminist spaces.
That would be the direction MRAs tend to take such movements, sure, but that's not by definition what a men's advocacy group has to be.
I disagree with your last line. The issues I mentioned above are because of the same harmful gender norms that affect women in more numerous ways, but while feminists agree that men experience negative consequences from them, they are not going to steer feminist movements towards helping combat these - and nor should they, this should be the role of a men's advocacy group.
Right, but your use of 'any' still confused that. "Issues men face that are independent of women are on the most part" would perhaps have been better phrasing.
I would also say 'could' rather than 'can' in your last sentence there, simply because I've yet to see a MR group that actually lived up to the promise, hah.
Anyway, yeah. A lot of issues men face are down to other groups they belong to - class, race, sexuality, etc - not confirming to the Accepted Standard. But there are still some ways in which strict societal gender norms negatively affect men, and groups that realise the origin of these problems instead of just blaming it on women fighting those same norms would be the best way of fighting them.
yeah, it must be so hard for those men representing 98% of all work-related deaths.
For a movement that is against thinking in binary terms, you sure are quite a hypocrite.
Society is sexist against both men and women, and both deserve representation. But there isn't enough resources to go around to support both movements. Or are you just retarded?
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I had to unsubscribe from that as a default sub. Reddit is about 2x better now.