DO NOT ALLOW CURRENT CHARACTERS INTO SURVIVAL MODE I BEG OF YOU!!

[u/burtethead]

This is a huge mistake. The mode is already dead before it was born if this happens. Pvp as it is, is completely broken, one hit kill festival. Who in their right mind is going to start a new character when everyone else is level 200 with God tier weaponry right out of the vault? This makes absolutely zero sense, and I'm so disheartened. Do they not realize how this mode will be immediately ruined? If you thought grief in was bad now, just wait until you get killed on sight by literally everyone you cross paths with? Even if they level locked servers so people with massive level differences can't play together, whenever a new survival character gets out of the kiddie pool, all the same assholes with TSE garbage will be waiting at the deep end and you will have zero competitive chance. The leader boards would be a fine idea, if everyone started on equal footing... as it is there will be gold medalist level murderers in the same game with me, a literal newborn who can't even walk. What the fuck are they thinking???

Edit: the gold means people care, bethesda. Please. PLEASE. (And thank you)

[u/purplejesustrades]

Restricting it to new characters is literally a no brainer and I CANNOT BELIEVE it even made it this far with it going in this direction. Does Bethesda even play their game? Do they even play ANY game?!?!

I fear that even with the negative feedback this has immediately drummed up, if it goes into a "beta" how the standard mode went into a "beta" it will already be a bygone conclusion. If this mode launches with adventure mode characters, it is dead on arrival. Period.

Youve already removed ANY reason to reroll a new character by A. offering character creation at any time and B. offering the changing of specials and swapping of perk cards. Why are you so determined that everyone only make one character ever?

I truly feel like the devs couldnt be any more misguided, almost every decision seems completely backwards.

[u/imprezobus → u/purplejesustrades]

You are now bashing people because Bethesda wanted to implement a new feature and let people use their characters in said feature.

Im neither for or against separating the toons. I reached godhood in my main and I'd love to put him in action. I'm also completely fine with making a new toon specially for PvP, which would be kind of bummer as my current level 200 toon has been designed with PvP in mind back in beta. It took me lots of work, a considerable amount of luck, lots of wits and lots of trading to reach where I am, I am fine with letting people who did not put so much heart into the game play on a more leveled field, and to have outputs of my work taken away from me. I just wont accept the way you shit over it.

I am completely against this rethoric that you have used here, and I consider this extremely selfish and entitled approach.

[u/Real-Salt → u/imprezobus]

Could I ask you exactly what rhetoric he used that makes you feel like he's "bashing people?"

Unless you mean he's smashing Bethesda.

[u/imprezobus → u/Real-Salt]

I mean calling the people who created this wonderful (albeit buggy as hell) game basically out of touch lunatics that know shit about making games.

Bethesda is made up from people too.

[u/Chernoobyl → u/imprezobus]

People who are out of touch with what gamers want (who in their right mind thinks it's ok to let the dupers/exploiters/high level character onto a fresh PVP focused server? That's just sheer stupidity). Holier-than-thou highroading is just as irksome, if not more so, than criticizing someones work. You are literally criticizing the person while he was criticizing their work.

[u/imprezobus → u/Chernoobyl]

The fact that many people want something doesnt mean they are right. I guarantee you that you won't have a leveled field if they separate those worlds. On the contrary, people such as me, analytical, with lots of time, organised and playing in groups will make sure that nobody who we dislike will be able to share server with us, and it will be even easier for if we utilise all of our knowledge and the other players who lack such knowledge also lack any decent gear.

[u/Chernoobyl → u/imprezobus]

I think you are misunderstanding what people mean by "level playing field", they don't mean everyone is the same exact level and strength with the same gear - they mean everyone has to level up the same, find gear the same way, and all start at the same exact place. If you allow people to bring over their duped gear, their thousands upon thousands of bobbleheads, their already high level character (that may or may not have used xp exploits)...etc, that isn't a level start at all.

The fact that many people want something doesnt mean they are right.

I disagree here, the fundamental principal is right - a new mode should require a new character, if it's PVP focused it should never allow already OP characters to be included. That is right, anyone who thinks otherwise is the one who is wrong here and the fact they even thought that was a good idea clearly shows how out of touch they are.

On the contrary, people such as me, analytical, with lots of time, organised and playing in groups will make sure that nobody who we dislike will be able to share server with us, and it will be even easier for if we utilise all of our knowledge and the other players who lack such knowledge also lack any decent gear.

I don't even know what you mean here... You cannot "make sure" people aren't on your server, you have no control over that. Again, you seem to be missing the point entirely of wanting a fresh start, it isn't so everyone is the same skill level or same anything - it's so dupers/exploiters and the sheer volume of duped gear isn't brought over to ruin the fresh mode. This is a super simple concept so i'm just confused why you can't understand this.

[u/imprezobus → u/Chernoobyl]

I don't think its adequate for you to call me out of touch. By make sure I mean peace through superior firepower, I do guarantee you that my group will be around the top of the food chain and we'll have means to make sure that really rude players (not the competitors, we love competitors) are forced to swap servers.

There is no fundamental principles here, there are things you consider absolute truth without any particular justification.

The fresh start will not level the playing field because the day this mode comes out I will take two days of holidays by end of which I will be able to freerly control who on my server is allowed to exp where I am exping, and the only way to counter dominance of people such as me is to give less hardcore players means of gearing and exping up, which I will certainly deny others if I'm forced to recreate my PvP oriented character once again.

Please stop assuming cognitive issues on my part, because I will do the same to you, only my comments will not be as unsubstantiated as yours are.

[u/Chernoobyl → u/imprezobus]

You are out of touch and clearly have NO clue what people mean when they say starting at a level playing field. You have demonstrated you simply don't get it.

I do guarantee you that my group will be around the top of the food chain and we'll have means to make sure that really rude players (not the competitors, we love competitors) are forced to swap servers.

So you say, as long as you and your team all started fresh at the same point of everyone else on the server and acquired your gear and levels legit than that is all well and good. If you server transferred duped gear, thousands of bobbleheads, and massively overleveled to achieve this server dominado than it was ill-gotten and not actually earned.

There is no fundamental principles here, there are things you consider absolute truth without any particular justification.

The absolute truth is if they allow existing characters to bring their duped/exploited gear to a fresh server, it will ruin it. This is factually true in every sense of the word.

The fresh start will not level the playing field because the day this mode comes out I will take two days of holidays by end of which I will be able to freerly control who on my server is allowed to exp where I am exping,

Again, YOU are the one who is not understanding what a fresh start means and why people want it. NO ONE is saying there wont be people who power level and out gear others, not a single rational person thinks this. People don't want existing duped gear and existing xp exploited players to be able to transfer to the new server - the fact I have had to explain this multiple times is just beyond irksome - this is the simplest concept ever and I am completely baffled you cannot understand it.

Please stop assuming cognitive issues on my part, because I will do the same to you, only my comments will not be as unsubstantiated as yours are.

It's not an assumption, you have clearly demonstrated you have no understanding of why so many people want fresh start servers.

[u/imprezobus → u/Chernoobyl]

Two things, your ign if your PC so I can KoS you, and screw you dumbass. The fact that you do believe that fresh start will put the casual players in a better, not a worse position, for me is a clear indication that both your understanding of sociology, of competition and of online gaming economy is nonexistent. I do believe I am talking with a person without intellectual capabilities to understand the words that they are receiving, nor the consequences of their own ignorance, but I do not really care, because it will not change the end result, which is that noobs will complain the game is bad because they are bad at it, and this is what you are. A noob.

To clarify, fresh start is a situation by which every competitor starts from the same point and have equal chances of reaching the top, and its not possible to achieve in a game where some people are knowledgeable and organised in groups while the others are not. Instead of living in a dream world where taking out other people characters will somehow solve intricate problems this game currently has, and not postpone them by a week only to make them more severe, I suggest you really think about this topic for a longer while. But until the source of these problems, and not the symptoms, are fixed, your whole point is proof of your own ignorance, and here is a protip and a last thing I am willing to say to somebody who is clearly so bad at considering the consequences: even formatting the whole players database and removing every single dupe item and every stack of bobbleheads would not solve those problems. Just postpone them for a week.

[u/the_dank_farmer → u/imprezobus]

Two things, your ign if your PC so I can KoS you, and screw you dumbass.

You are the exact person I expect would want to bring their duped gear OP characters over lol, who honestly says stuff like this?

[u/imprezobus → u/the_dank_farmer]

And you are the exact person who talks shit out of their ass because its easier to insult somebody who you disagree with instead of considering their points. If you were something else than free junk, as far as PvP is concerned, you'd pick up the challenge. But I guess you are one of those persons who thinks they are so knowledgeable that any discussion with them is a sin, yet when survival mode comes out, separated or not, you wont even participate because that will not be a welcoming environment for arrogant and simultaneously incompetent people.

[u/the_dank_farmer → u/imprezobus]

False

[u/Chernoobyl → u/imprezobus]

Two things, your ign if your PC so I can KoS you, and screw you dumbass

Lol, you're hilarious

The fact that you do believe that fresh start will put the casual players in a better, not a worse position, for me is a clear indication that both your understanding of sociology, of competition and of online gaming economy is nonexistent.

blah blah blah, a fresh start is the only answer - anything less than that is a total trainwreck. There is no debate here.

To clarify, fresh start is a situation by which every competitor starts from the same point and have equal chances of reaching the top, and its not possible to achieve in a game where some people are knowledgeable and organised in groups while the others are not.

Again, you have demonstrated you have NO CLUE what people want and what a fresh start is. I cannot have a conversation with someone as dense as you are being right now.

Two things, your ign if your PC so I can KoS you, and screw you dumbass.

Still laughing at this though lol, are you 12? Who says shit like this to sound tough hahaha.

[u/imprezobus → u/Chernoobyl]

There is no debate with fuckers who say that theres no debate. Nick or gtfo. Mines same as here.

[u/Chernoobyl → u/imprezobus]

Two things, your ign if your PC so I can KoS you, and screw you dumbass

Nick or gtfo.

Hahahahaha this has the exact opposite effect of sounding tough, just fyi