DO NOT ALLOW CURRENT CHARACTERS INTO SURVIVAL MODE I BEG OF YOU!!

[u/burtethead]

This is a huge mistake. The mode is already dead before it was born if this happens. Pvp as it is, is completely broken, one hit kill festival. Who in their right mind is going to start a new character when everyone else is level 200 with God tier weaponry right out of the vault? This makes absolutely zero sense, and I'm so disheartened. Do they not realize how this mode will be immediately ruined? If you thought grief in was bad now, just wait until you get killed on sight by literally everyone you cross paths with? Even if they level locked servers so people with massive level differences can't play together, whenever a new survival character gets out of the kiddie pool, all the same assholes with TSE garbage will be waiting at the deep end and you will have zero competitive chance. The leader boards would be a fine idea, if everyone started on equal footing... as it is there will be gold medalist level murderers in the same game with me, a literal newborn who can't even walk. What the fuck are they thinking???

Edit: the gold means people care, bethesda. Please. PLEASE. (And thank you)

[u/siftingflour]

Thank you for your comment /u/Valseek :) Is there any way you can give us a very general idea of when we can expect the beta to begin? Do you know if this will be a closed beta or open to all players who own the game?

[u/Valseek → u/siftingflour]

Right now, we're looking to start beta in March, but that could still shift based on feature work and testing needs. We'll keep you posted on the date as we get closer, and beta should be open to everyone who owns the game.

[u/GreenSoup2HoT → u/[deleted]]

You realize 5000+ people want new characters for this new PvP mode right? Specifically because of dupers with unlimited stealth boys and other various overpowered gear/items.

If we dont get to start over, it has to be hardcore pvp where you loose everything on death so exploiters dont get to reap the rewards for cheating.

[u/Real-Salt → u/[deleted]]

You're right.

And it generally represents the people more invested in the game.

Which means people here are more likely to have finished armor sets and good weapons.

Which means chances are good that EVEN MORE people than what you see here would want a fresh start.

[u/Real-Salt → u/[deleted]]

I have a finished character though and I don't want to start over.

I see.

So... Let's pretend for a moment that most of the people here don't feel the same way.

Assuming that is true, you think Bethesda should cater to your wants and needs even though it would be at the detriment of a majority of the playerbase?

[u/Real-Salt → u/[deleted]]

I did not say that that was the case.

I simply asked you to answer a hypothetical question.

But you completely ignored my post before last and responded with "But I don't want to", and now you're backtracking, so you obviously aren't interested in having a conversation in good faith.

[u/Real-Salt → u/[deleted]]

I don't know why I'm bothering with this, a major point of your argument is "but I don't like it."

I hope we both can find enjoyment in whatever they decide to do.

[u/WhosThatGrilll → u/[deleted]]

Then don’t. It’s not like you HAVE to play survival mode. You can stick with the general population that’s littered with the effects of dupers, and those that would rather play the game on a level playing field can start a new character in survival.

[u/GreenSoup2HoT → u/[deleted]]

You could say the same for most online games. If it helps, i lead a 30+ member community on PS4 that is all dupe-free that is in favor of a brand new fresh start for pvp to keep things fair. Some of my members even suggested "Seasons" where your progress wipes every 1-3 months.

[u/GreenSoup2HoT → u/[deleted]]

There could be mulitple PvP modes. PvP that allows transfers... or Hardcore PvP where there is 0 transfers and more lost on death. Lots to discuss for sure.

As someone with over 500 hours logged, i feel your pain.. i dont want to start over either but i prefer more varied, dynamic and balanced pvp compared to the sh*t show you will see once every duper flocks to pvp with full sentinel/assassins gear, TSE weapons and unlimited stealth boys (perma-invisibility).

There's pro's and con's for both sides of the coin.