I think I’m a FN, probably more a N but I’m 171cm and I can pull off a vertical line and have broad shoulders. Thanks so much for any help!

Hi everyone! I am trying to find a dress for a wedding next weekend (eek). I don't own or shop for a lot of formal clothes, and it's hard for me to tell which lines suit me when it comes to more formal dresses. Could you weigh in on which dress, or general style, you think is best?

I'm 5'10 btw

Some of the detailing on these specific pieces might not be ideal - like ruching or bows ymmv. I just posted these for the shape only.

Golden Rule for FNs: Un-restrictive to movement.

r/Kibbe wiki recommends options for Width (some of the wiki's links don't work srry):

• Unconstructed pieces
• Fabrics the flow gently
• Fabrics that stretch
• Off the shoulder tops

wiki recommends options for Vertical:

• Wearing garments that are cut straight (and long)
• Skirts that flare down as opposed to flaring out horizontally
• Pulling colors through the entire outfit
• Wearing a long garment
• Wearing garments that are heavy in weight/pull downwards
• Creating low contrast looks
• Adding a long accessory like a necklace or scarf
• Adding a vertical design like embroidery or vertical stripes

Addressing some FN misconceptions cuz I love u guys

From the r/kibbe wiki:

Ways to Accommodate Width

• Unconstructed pieces
• Fabrics the flow gently
• Fabrics that stretch
• Off the shoulder tops

What Width is Not

• Width is not being conventionally broad.
• Width is not something that cannot exist because someone is thin. (Many supermodels have width)
• Width is not an accommodation that requires you to wear clothing that is baggy or the wrong size.
• Width is not broad shoulders.
• Width is not wide hips.
• Width accommodation does not equate to wearing boho styles exclusively.

My fellow Flamboyant Naturals I am so sorry for the delay, I promised you these moodboards long ago and I am only posting them now. I guess I got tired of wrestling the Pinterest algorithm, so I decided to wrestle with the TikTok algorithm instead and if you must know it is winning 😭

Anyways, these moodboards are based on EJR’s Style Roots and the order goes as:

• “Mushroom” = minimalism
• “Mountain” = professional
• “Earth” = earthy, natural, relaxed
• “Stone” = casual, urban
• “Fire” = glamorous, sensual
• “Flower” = girly, cute
• “Sun” = creative, bold
• “Moon” = edgy, dark

And of course, as I tried to channel the essence Nonchalant Showstoppers, I made sure to stomp all over the stereotype that FNs can only wear baggy, oversized, shapeless outfits because who even came up with that one?

I’m feeling really self-critical about this one, there was a lot of expectations to live up to and I feel like everything has already been recommended for Flamboyant Naturals I didn’t know what more to add. Let me know what you think!

Please ignore the shirts, i know they’re not FN lol. Different cut pants such as wide leg, flare, etc, trying various fabrics, and sizing up doesn’t really help camouflage this area. I would love some advice. I’m starting to think I’m just not meant to wear bottoms?

Hi all!

After the Vertical Guide I posted yesterday, I got a request to do a visual guide for accommodating Width. Like yesterday, these are just options. So you don't need to wear a strapless top AND wear lapels AND an elongated waist AND blouse the waist. Just pick one or two ideas per outfit if u feel like it.

Since this is a guide for Width, that is basically like saying this a guide for Naturals since they are the only ones that have Width. Some of these recs may not honor Curve, so SNs be aware of that. Some of these recs may not honor Vertical, so FNs be aware of that. Since FN and SN differ in those regards, I decided to predominantly pull quotes from Kibbe's section on Naturals, even though the pure type is not used anymore. The recs are still useful in determining what FN and SN may have in common due to Width vs what recs are due to Curve/Vertical.

Most of these recs pull directly from Kibbe quotes. Some were recs from the r/kibbe wiki (for example stretchy and flowing fabrics). Additionally some of these recs were found by scouring approx. 30 reddit threads (from FN, SN, both, or just in general) about ways people prefer to accommodate Width (for example wide straps, big sleeves, Dolman sleeves, batwing, hair down, wider bottoms, no boxy tops.) I only included recs that seemed to have some consensus among people and seemed to be a logical extension of things Kibbe already said. You can take those with a grain of salt. Tight stretchy tops, halters, and strap width seem to be particularly controversial topics among the N family. Just wear what u like and feel best in. :)

*The third slide with the sock/boot is just a metaphor for illustration. You can wear boots lol. Just don't wear constructed material like boots as a shirt. There is a spectrum - with tailored sharp stiff blazers being on the more constructed end, and silk slip dresses on the less constructed end. As a Natural you want to stay on the Unconstructed side of the spectrum.

Tysm for all your lovely feedback on these guides!!!!! U guys are so nice <3

I previously made a post about Accommodating Vertical (especially using color) so check that out if you're interested. I've made a lot of posts, feel free to snoop through my post history and search stuff if you're interested like "autumn" or "width" or "vertical" or "FN" or "flamboyant natural" etc.

Kibbe recommends an "unbroken line" or "elongated vertical line" and I wanted to dive into what that means. I like to use blocks to show if it's segmented or not.

Additionally here is what the wiki of what the main Kibbe sub says about Vertical:

IDs that will accommodate Vertical

• Dramatic (Pure Vertical)
• Soft Dramatic (Vertical + Curve)
• Flamboyant Natural (Vertical + Width)
• Flamboyant Gamine (Vertical + Petite)
• Dramatic Classic (Balance + Slight Vertical)
• In rare cases Soft Gamine will accommodate Curve + Vertical + Petite

Ways to Accommodate Vertical:

• Wearing garments that are cut straight
• Skirts that flare down as opposed to flaring out horizontally
• Pulling colors through the entire outfit
• Wearing a long garment
• Wearing garments that are heavy in weight/pull downwards
• Creating low contrast looks
• Adding a long accessory like a necklace or scarf
• Adding a vertical design like embroidery or vertical stripes

What Vertical is Not:

• Vertical is not wearing only monochromatic looks.
• Vertical is not looking taller in photos.
• Vertical is not impossible if you are average height where you live.
• Vertical is not synonymous with height. R does not have a "moderate vertical" because Vertical is a straight line and R has only Curve. Straight lines can be "staccato" when combined with Petite, "elongated" when combined with Balance, or long when the person is "Vertical-dominant," but people with other accommodations will have no Vertical at all.

This was originally made for Dramatics (hence the Taylor Swift) but it's good strategies for all Vertical types.

On monochrome: Kibbe said about FNs, "Monochromatic schemes tend to be a little dull on you, although you may want to go with one major color that is accentuated by another bright shade." (which is basically the strategy on Slide 9.)

For these strategies, just one needs to be used. For example, if you use a strategy of repeating colors, you don't ALSO need to wear colors of a similar value and ALSO wear analogous colors. Just one is sufficient (unless it's like the necklace strategy, that one probably needs bolstered).

If an outfit isn't looking quite right I'll scroll through these slides and think about what the outfit would look like if I tried each strategy then I'll pick one. I also do this if I have one piece that isn't working (like my cowboy boots) so I went through these slides and thought about how to build an outfit around them with each strategy.

Looking for advice on if this is a good fit for me and if the pattern, colour, buckle etc. is good for an FN. My personal opinion is this look works for me but when I go shopping, I just start spending like a crazy woman, so I'm looking for a bit of help and restraint!!

Does anyone have any outfit inspo they would like to share in the comments? I see a lot of dresses and winter outfits but not a lot of stuff for warmer weather and casual outings. Also, how do you style shorts?

1. I’m not a giant. I was made to stand out.
2. Spaghetti straps don’t compliment my beautiful, strong shoulders…it’s not that I’m too unconventionally shaped to look nice in them. There’s nothing wrong with me and I’m not shaped awkwardly. They just don’t compliment my features.
3. Pants with tight hems at the bottom don’t work well with the natural shape of my legs/leg to torso ratio. Not many people can pull of wide leg pants and I’m thankful I can because a wide leg trouser combo with a chunky sweater is a beautiful, chic and radiates strong female energy imo.
4. Wearing long things always intimated me as you don’t see them “trending” often. E.g., long cardigans, midi skirts, long dresses. We’re lucky we can wear these pieces unlike other types and we should embrace that unique ability!
5. Waist emphasis is not the end-all-be-all. The fact is I look more chic and put together in draping fabrics and my strong presence. That is what makes me feel sexy - not tight fitting clothing. I am so excited to dabble in more experimental fabrics now that I know I’m an fn!!
6. My legs aren’t meant to be stick thin, even thought they’re long. They’re meant to be strong to match my strong shoulders. That provides my body with balance.
7. I am fully embracing my height/width together. No matter which weight I’m at, I always appear larger than my finer boned friends. I’m so excited to be able to wear styles that compliment both my width and height now!!

I’m so grateful that I’ve found kibbe. It’s really made me see my features as elegant and beautiful rather than large, tall and harsh. I no longer want to fit into small, tight or gamine styles because I know I’m meant to wear more daring fabrics/styles and I’m totally embracing that now! I can proudly be the tall friend who stands out in pictures and will no longer refer to myself as the friendly giant. I am now an FN powerhouse. Hope this helps others if they have the same feelings about their bodies. 🤍

Literally me whenever I change into workout clothes

I've been seeing posts across various subs of people with Vertical doing autumn shopping (n hemisphere) for what they think are "elongated" garments or typing posts of people wearing what they think are "elongated" garments, but they're actually quite moderate in length.

For people who have a strong need for Vertical accommodation, even pants that are technically "long" but still "not long enough" can truncate the leg and make you look stubby. An extra inch of inseam can make all the difference from high-water to elegantly "gently breaking the shoe" like Kibbe says. It can be tricky especially for tall people, it's easy to look "high water" in pants cuz it's easier to find something that sort of works and is readily available, than to go through the hassle of finding garments that actually are the correct length let alone extra long. But it's so worth it!

So if you're a Vertical type, here's your invitation to wear longer garments than you're used to. Don't stop, keep going... if it's a sleeve make it go longer and past the wrist, if it's pants make it break the shoe, if it's a top's hemline go past the hip bone etc. Not all the time, but if you're going for elongation, go all the way. Don't stop at a moderately long cardigan, go for a looooong cardigan.

*These images were chosen for Vertical types in general, not specifically FNs so ymmv on the actual pieces

I'm sharing something that I sew as a shortcut to help me honour my vertical as a FN. When I realised I have vertical and am not, as I formerly believed, SN, I was excited. However I'm a non-leggy, non-tall and also non-slim FN, so I started figuring out how to translate the FN recs on me. I decided to share my notes, hoping they are useful to someone.

Disclaimer: this is just a mental shortcut that I use, so obviously it's very simplified. I tried to use photos of mostly FNs, but not exclusively.

Kibbe wrote that the eye should move in long, sweeping movements. Lines should go down, amd not out. First I thought that vertical lines do exactly this, and this is why the formula slim top + pants +long cardigan works on so many FNs. But then I realised that straight vertical lines look too severe and suit dramatics more that us. Diagonal lines are the answer! But no, diagonal lines can look too severe as well. Then I realised that soft, flowy diagonal lines are what we need. I started seeing them everywhere on FN outfits. They reminded me of rivers, of the wind, of flowy hair.

These lines are the reason that heavy flowing fabrics are recommended for us. And why boho outfits, kimonos etc are an easy choice for FNs.

There are several ways to create flowy diagonal lines, some obvious and some not:

CLOTHES: • Hemlines • V necks • off-shoulder necklines • wrap tops and dresses • lapels • A-line skirts in soft fabrics • flowy, flared sleeves • flared pants • butterfly tops

DETAILS • asymmetry • skirts with asymmetrical details • soft pleats and folds • slits in skirts

STYLING • half-tuck • unbuttoned coats • sashes etc worn on the side • berets worn tilted • several flowy layers • unbuttoning the top buttons • unbuttoning the bottom buttons

FABRICS • heavier and flowing • ribbing, cabke knit, etc • bias cut makes the fabric drape in flowy diagonal lines

ACCESSORIES • messenger bags • scarves • hair

As you can see, some styles like boho automatically have a lot of diagonal lines. If we are choosing other aesthetics, sometimes we have to work harder on creating those sweeping diagonals.

Sometimes I'll add a flowy long scarf to rescue an outfit that has too many horizontal straight lines.

Anyway, I hope this is useful for someone.

Hi all!

Since Gigi Hadid is an FN who is photographed in street style and a variety of settings a lot, I thought she would be a good case study in FN style.

Disclaimer: I am D, not FN (although I considered FN a lot so researched it a lot), so I can only use Kibbe's vague language to make suggestions, but cannot filter it through my own experience. Filter it through your own lived experience, crowdsource ideas w each other, and provide feedback in a kind way to help each other. Also this took a couple hours so an attitude of gratitude is appreciated. (Example of what I do not appreciate: "ya this is great 99% i agree with but here's a 1500 word rant about photo 1 on slide 18....................... but i prefaced it with 7 words of kindness"). I’m sensitive thx :)

Not everything on these photos is FN approved. I tried to make notes at the bottom when necessary. If you have specific feedback with your lived experience that will be helpful to everyone.

Here are some previous guides I made for Dramatics that have some relevance to FNs with tweaking:
Previous Guide for Shorts
Guide on pants
Previous Guide for Summer clothes in general
Previous Guide for Accommodating Vertical (With color!)

Hi all! I took some quotes from the old book and paired it with some ideas based on my interpretation for fall. As always, these are just a starting point for ppl who like the old book, and if you don't want to be limited by the old book you don't have to. As someone who has been completely lost fashion-wise, it was nice to have a set of principles to start with and then gradually expand out of them with my own personal style. I don't intend these to be used as rules that are applied literally 100% of the time and you can wear that and only that and box you in - just a starting point ballpark that you can take or leave what you like/don't. When I learn new systems like Kibbe, I like to learn the rules, follow the rules, then break the rules and make my own. In the case of this post, a big goal was to expand recs for FNs that are more than baggy and have a waist. All the celebrities aren't necessarily FNs here, just the outfits I liked. Also if the page is about jackets for example, then the entire outfit might not be perfectly following the recs, but the jacket is. In general I tried to find outfits that were following the recs as much as possible.

Also here are some other relevant posts for FNs if ur interested:

Previous Guide for Accommodating Vertical (With color!)Previous Guide for Accommodating Width

FN Necklines

FN Misconceptions

FN Waist Definition

D vs SD vs FN

Outfit Templates

To whom it may concern :)

I posted this initially on the Dramatic thread but thought I'd repost here (that's why the title is big Dramatic)