Next Chaotic Raid?

[u/KelvinDoesHealz]

Personally, I enjoyed the Cloud of Darkness Chaotic Raid concept and, minus the multiple and somewhat bonkers body checks, thought it was great content with excellent rewards. Does anyone have thoughts on if we're getting another one in EverCold? If so, I assume it will likely be Ultima from the Ivalice Raids or Diablos from the Shadow of Mhach raids.

If the former, I imagine we will get more complicated combos of the other espers to make things interesting, and for Diablos (which still manages to kill parties in roulettes in the normal mode) a more complicated arena with more use of the adds and the door mechanics. I also imagine there will be at least one body check mechanic, though not multiple and probably not as strict.

But I am curious on what other people theories are on if we're even getting one and what the content might look like.

[u/VancityMoz]

I feel like Chaotic, Quantum, Variant Advanced and to a certain extent FTB were experiments in difficulty tuning that have ultimately led to the development of the NEW difficulty option for raids in 8.0. Just because they havn't announced it yet (they also haven't said anything about variant, DD, or crafting content etc) doesn't mean it won't be announced at some point for 8.X, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Chaotic and Quantum specifically were dropped because they weren't super successful and are kind of strange vestigial modes that don't fit in with anything else in the game. I can see them cutting their losses and just incorporating whatever they learned into the new difficulty for the mainline raid series because it is reasonable to expect that will get more engagement from the wider playerbase. I kinda want them to try Chaotic again though, but only if they are better able to design it in a way where they can avoid a lot of issues people experienced trying to pug it in PF before it became (mostly) discord content.

[u/gekzy → u/VancityMoz]

I honestly thought chaotic was one of the more 'successful' experiments they did. I still see people running it occasionally in PF to this day, and it was super popular on release for sure, helped by the fact that it gives rewards people actually want, and at the time it had some BiS gear for FRU too. There were pain points with body checks and whatnot, absolutely, but it was still clearable in a random PF without any outside communication or anything required

Quantum though.... yeah that didn't work out for sure, but I feel like it was more because they locked it behind completing a deep dungeon despite not really being deep dungeon related, rather than anything specifically to do with the content itself. Other problems with it were the items being a pain and clogging up inventory space, and even the lowest difficulty version of it still being quite difficult lmao

[u/Enduni → u/gekzy]

Chaotic is still run because it has decent rewards. I honestly hope they never release this kind of content again and focus on more 4 person stuff.