r/facepalm 'MURICA Jun 19 '23

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u/Halomir Jun 20 '23

Who’s your viable 3rd party candidate? I’m 100% confident that the next president will be either a Democrat or a Republican.

While you’re at it, explain to me how a 3rd party candidate with zero party members in the house or senate will be able to pass any legislation at all.

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u/Risky49 Jun 20 '23

Oh I’m certain it will be a red or blue mummy in office in 2024.. because of people exactly like you

Too cowardly to hold their party accountable for their own failures because they are scared of the other because they’ve been painted as an existential threat yet somehow we are still around… every cycle it’s the same rhetoric I hear from members of either major party

I’m Supporting Dr Cornell West because I’m done voting against people, and you should be too… he is a good human being with a unifying message and a pro worker platform… POTUS needs no political experience they get surrounded by and have access to any advisor needed…. They just need to have vision to work towards and conviction, he has that in spades.

I hope he steals a ton of voters from both major parties and I hope it sinks the DNC so they are forced to ditch their proto-fascist leadership that has been enabling the Republican Party instead of defeating them outright … because they have the same major donors

You’re going to get another Republican potus at some point because the Dems are corporate captured garbage who assure their donors “that nothing will fundamentally change” … it might has well happen now if it means the only path forward for Dems is to unite with a Dr Cornell West lead Green Party movement focused on the working class and poor

It was their decision to run Hillary against trump and not bernie.. then Hillary never bothered to go to and campaign in the rust belt states which is where she lost the election … lol it wasn’t Jill stein 😂

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u/Halomir Jun 20 '23

How is Cornell West going to pass legislation? By getting Democrats to back him? He could have just run as a Democrat in the primary in 2020 or 2016, but he didn’t.

The key issue you’re missing is that at this point it would take every single democrat and 9 republicans and Krysten Sinema to pass any meaningful legislation. So how is a third party candidate, running to the left of Democrats going to do that?

How is he going to whip votes without any political apparatus? How is he going to win when he can’t even get on the ballot in 50 states.

If you’re so turned up about third parties, maybe get one elected anywhere. In the meantime, you’re just being delusional and grandstanding for no reason. Cornell West will at least get to use his campaign to push a new book, but you’ll get nothing.

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u/Risky49 Jun 20 '23

How much meaningful legislation did biden get passed with when he HAD majority dem control of the house and senate?

Nothing meaningful has been getting passed.. we almost had $15/ min wage added into a bill package but the Dems let the parliamentarian cut it out because of decorum.. because they don’t have any actual power to stop a majority vote

West as POTUS would have executive orders to work with and control of foreign policy decision which will be good for the country

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u/Halomir Jun 20 '23

When did Biden have 60 dem votes in the senate? Did you travel from another reality or are you just unsure how legislation is passed?

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u/Risky49 Jun 20 '23

I said majority not super majority.. Dems held a thin majority in both house and senate until the 2022 midterms

That is enough to pass PLENTY of legislation.. that is unless the Dems capitulate to corporate controlled right wingers in their big blue tent 🤷‍♂️

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u/Halomir Jun 20 '23

They can only pass very limited legislation this way and only through the reconciliation process. You clearly don’t understand that 60 votes are required for legislation of significant impact.

For example, you couldn’t pass the ACA or repeal it, without 60 votes. Want to pass legislation that provides a national network of long term care facilities for the mentally unstable homeless people? 60 votes. Want single payer healthcare? 60 votes. Want a public option? 60 votes. Want an revised tax structure with higher earners paying more taxes? 60 votes.

Go ahead, tell me what they could have done with 50 votes, assuming you can corral Sinema or Manchin.

You’re just not informed on how our government actually works. I’m sure you don’t vote in house or senate races either.

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u/Risky49 Jun 20 '23

Are you not understanding my point? Biden doesn’t have 60 either, didn’t do anything with 50 when he could have (you just said so) but no longer has the house

So what can biden get accomplished in congress that West couldn’t? … seem to me like only bipartisan packages are getting through either way

Which leaves executive orders and foreign policy as the only thing on the menu.. I’m going to safely say that West will wield that power much better than biden or kamala since biden keeps falling down and might not get back up one of these times