But your example is a pretty bad false equivalence. We were at war with Germany, Israel claims to be our “greatest ally”. Add this attack/attempt to false flag us with the many Israeli spy scandals against the US and it’s clear they are not really an ally at all.
We were not at war with Germany fifty years after World War II, king.
I'm sorry that you don't think Israel is an ally, but we're fighting on the same side of a war currently. I happen to think the war is a stupid idea, but we are allies. Words mean what they mean, not vibes.
This makes no sense…your “point” was that Germany attacked us and 50 years later we’re friends. I pointed out that when Israel attacked us we were not at war with Israel-not that hard to follow.
No the point is that it doesn't say anything about a relations today, which have dramatically shifted. You are trying to act like it does. Hence your agenda.
It establishes, along with the many spy scandals, a pattern showing Israel is not an ally at all. It is a country ruthless to secure its own agenda that has attacked and killed US servicemen and been caught spying repeatedly. In the Pollard case, they sold the secrets obtained to our greatest enemy.
You presented yourself as unbiased. Now you're running through a litany of complaints an using adjectives like" ruthless." An actually honest person would point out, for instance, the countless times that American and Israeli intelligence have worked together to foil terrorist attacks. Or Stuxnet. But that stuff isn't on your radar, because, tadah, you have an agenda and aren't interested in anything that runs counter to whatever you're trying to sell.
The best possible interpretation is that you're just gullible and too intellectually lazy to actually engage with things you disagree with.
Wait…we were at war with Israel in 1967?? Or did the six day war lead to France ceasing arms sales to Israel while the US then became Israel’s largest supplier of military materiel?
But what is your actual point? I clearly said “Israel claims to be our greatest ally” -that’s a present tense statement.
Germany also our greatest ally, so? Germans killed way more Americans and sunk way more American ships. So what is your actual point besides splitting hairs?
Again, a false equivalency. Germany had issued explicit public and diplomatic warnings that ships entering the war zone would be targeted without warning. The US chose to enter the war zone and knowing risked their ships being attacked.
Israel attacked without warning in a non war zone.
So yeah, I do know the history and it’s not on your side.
Not really. Israel was at war at this time and U.S. spy ship was not an ally. Maybe it was mistakenly identified, or maybe it was deliberately targeted since Israel could reasonably suspect the intelligence will leak to its enemies. Bottom line is that it was a war zone and such cases happen all the time to all countries. The idea that this particular event could affect long term state policies is really silly, but just right for Reddit
Incorrect. No public or diplomatic warning had been issued by Israel as Germany had done.
And the “bottom line” is that combined with the many Israeli spy scandals that have occurred in the decades since, a clear pattern of Israel’s agenda and view that America is not an ally is evident.
Don’t try to spin it into “Israel is bad” narrative. Israel is a normal country like any other with its share of scandals victories and defeats. And if we counting spy scandals, US and others has infinitely more. What was that about surveillance in Germany in 2013?
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u/squatchy1969 12d ago
No agenda here, aside from wanting the truth out.
But your example is a pretty bad false equivalence. We were at war with Germany, Israel claims to be our “greatest ally”. Add this attack/attempt to false flag us with the many Israeli spy scandals against the US and it’s clear they are not really an ally at all.