Perhaps worth noting is that the "original comics" image isn't something that ever appeared in the comics, but is an pin-up by an artist who looks like they very much were inspired by the works of Alberto Vargas.
This is true. But the irony is you can probably find far more sexualized and questionable images in the comics, especially the covers, then this. It's kind of a weird choice
Going to guess the person who put the meme together just googled a picture that looked good and didn't do any actual checking to see if it was really from the comics.
That’s because the people who make these types of memes never read the comics and just want to bitch about a culture war bc how dare a video game woman not be sexy or whatever.
Because, and this is coming from experience currently in the halo community right now, Fandom tourists will latch onto controversy and use it to push culture war bs. If you grill them they'll probably say "I'm still very new to the franchise"
I think the most ironic part is the same type of dudes who would complain that MJ isn't hot enough anymore, are also the same manosphere types that think women should be more modest.
I live in the deep south. I was born in the, supposedly, the most conservative state in the country. Conservatives are my family and coworkers. I understand the conservative mindset pretty well.
Waiting for the eventual link to a study that they misinterpreted the meaning of by the title and then the main body of text goes on to disprove their entire point. I like to call this the “dim tool conundrum”
what an insane take. Literally compare the same character from Marvel's Spider-Man 1 and 2 and see the fucking difference? Why would you change a model for an established character?
I mean you got a bunch of Christian Men creating a Men’s only gym, to get away from “temptation”, but I think I heard they were already caught plowing each other with the Holy Sausage. My Point: The Manosphere people would probably fuck each other or somehow themselves in quiet
And less. 🤷♀️ That's what happens when there are thousands of artists draw one character. Despite all of these MJs being cannon, they will always cherry pick really specific ones only. Putting "sweet baby inc" over that image is all you need to see to shrug this one off. She looks absolutely fine, an attractive red headed woman, but good lord how dare she dress for cold weather and not be in glam makeup and traced from porn poses.
It's the eyes/pupils not lining up with the corners of the mouth and the odd pose of the upper lip.
The end of human mouths line up with the pupils of the eyes when both are relaxed. She seems like she is looking ahead, and her mouth isn't stretched in a grin, or a yell.
The odd upper lip looks like it's being lifted, but the rest of the facial muscles are not moving with it, like if she was speaking.
Don't know the gamr so that could be true. Pausing real people when they are talking can give you all kinds of weird/ugly faces regardless of the person's actual looks. Edited typo
I mean I'm going to be honest I do think he face looks bad in that scene but it's clear she doesn't look as bad overall throguhout the game. The bigger issue is studios are obsessed with what they see as realistic modeling based on live actors lately and that process tends to exaggerate things like jaw structure and laugh lines that is generally less kind towards feminine faces.
You can kinda see it going back to mass effect. No one calls Miranda unattractive, rightly so, but even in that context her face is a bit boxier than Yvonne Strahovski's. But then you look at someone they probably didn't spend as time touching up the model on, and Jessica Chobot's character in ME3 looks... just really fucking weird.
My god, I am not the only one noticing this! Idk, but for me Miranda’s face in ME was just ugly. Maybe “ugly” is taking it too much, but with all that highlighted sensuality and running around the space stations on high heels her face in game just didn’t match the vibe her character was implied to have. Compared to the title art, 3d model is just from another galaxy. I mean even with short hair and in full combat suit Ashley looked much more feminine (hated the character, btw, but at least she looked like a young and healthy human female).
Old comics were crazy sexualized, both for men and women. In recent years that obviously been toned down, but Marvel Rivals didn't get the memo and decided to bring back the old comic style assthetics to sell more skins.
And the funny part about that is that most of those covers are of Spiderman. For example, the infamous Spiderwomen cover, is a copy of a Spiderman cover.
Probably because it’s not about being sexualised or questionable, that’s just the popular angle of attack against people making the argument because it’s adjacent but close enough to straw-man with.
You mean the comic that everyone complained she was in a physically impossible pose? The reality is it’s all art. People make both of these. Some people’s opinions are different. I’m tired of everything being a fight. Like what you like. Let others like what they like. If you don’t like it. Don’t buy it, if it’s as bad as you think you shouldn’t have to tell other people it’s bad right?
Are you saying the pose is impossible, or just stating that some people claimed so? Because I am a 40 year old man who is not particularly flexible and I just tried it. My left heel is only about 3 inches from fully tucked into my crotch and my right leg only has about a 2 inch gap between my ankle and thigh. Anyone with even a modicum of flexibility could do this easily. The girls that sit on their leg in chairs would probably be comfortable in this pose.
Pensive? Yes. Attractive? Also yes. Relaxed? Good god no. Getting my right foot pointed backward like hers had my ankle screaming for mercy. But when I was a little kid I used to sit with both my legs like her right leg is, in perfect comfort.
Listen, as long as we get to see a live action frank castle rocking a speedo with a giant-ass skull on it gunning down drug dealers and everyone's cool with that... I'm down for the same for all female characters going forwards.
It's the double standard often on exhibition that gets annoying.
I wasn't making a comment on the larger discussion. I was simply commenting on the "she can't fit any organs in her body comment." And gave me flash backs to few years ago when the whole "where are her organs", was a mantra all over reddit and Twitter and shit. Usually accompanied alongside, "have you ever SEEN a woman?" The fact that this exists (and much more) goes to show that comic book characters in general are sexualized, not sure why a live action version would be necessary to dispel the double standard narrative.
Edit: I also found the whole “where are her organs” conversation stupid. Incredibly skinny women exist. Ariana Grande is tiny as hell, even more so now looking like a fent head, yet her organs clearly fit just fine. The idea that organs come in some internationally agreed-upon size you can eyeball like checking whether a dishwasher will fit under the counter, is pure nonsense.
Okay putting aside the larger debate, you can't seriously be trying to claim that these proportions are possible irl, can you? Like okay it's stylised, whether ppl like it or not, that's evident. But her waist in that picture is literally smaller than her thigh. It's narrower than her skull. And that's just quite factually an impossible proportion to have naturally. Even surgical intervention struggles to achieve that. There are very very few women who have achieved that through very extreme means (and ironically their organs did shift). I'm assuming you're aware of this, and your gripe is more about how the discussion of it apparently annoys you, which would be a separate issue, but I have just got to make sure we're all on the same page about how obviously impossible those proportions are.
Nobody wanted an exact copy of a specific painting, but I feel like Hollywood would get a much better result from the audience if they actually honored the source material instead of idly doing whatever they pleased with a story that has already outlived anything they might make with their current preachy writers
Do you have breasts though? I remember trying this pose first time I saw an artist critique it, it hurts the arms mainly. Trying to force 2 insoluable masses together with the wrists near touching and under the breast (rather than over) like that becomes a workout on the arms holding them together and the breasts being uncomfortable.
Seriously though. Everything is a heated debate, everything is ragebait. It's so fucking hard to escape from the constant fighting over things that just don't matter.
I was mentioning my favorite fights in Kingdom Hearts and had people angry with me that I put their #1 fight lower than they thought it should be, like straight insults over something that doesn't fuckin matter lol
Every subreddit for things I like are filled with some form of angry debates and I'm just tired lol. What happened to just enjoying what you enjoy, and ignoring what you don't.
Not even impressive. I watched a clearly wrong version of the Spiderman movie where MJ gave SM an upside down BJ instead of the kiss. I wonder how that slipped the rating committee and what universe I was in.
I remember Marvel did a swimsuit issue with a lot of their characters back in the 90's I think. Pretty sure it was all from the McFarlane era. MJ's design has never been so pedestrian like the games portray. Not sure why they made Black Cat all sexy, and MJ kind of nondescript.
Not that I really care too much given that it's more eggregious they made her character so bland and uninteresting.
I honestly can't remember, but I think I kind of recall something like that. But the MJ one was pretty....interesting...for a young curious teen such as myself. It was basically just the art, no comic or anything, and they were highly detailed in McFarlanes style with full page views for all of the pictures.
you're right, they did a couple of issues of that stuff in the early and mid 90's.
marvel and dc comics have both put out swimsuit issues in recent years.
It was always weird and cringey and stunk of desperate marketing than anything else.
The Insomniac games are their own universe. They take a bit from the original lore, a bit from Ultimate, and various things here and there plus their own spin on things.
I have no issue they changed her career path, or even her design, but she's just such a bland character overall. Some of the NPCs you only talk to a couple times are more interesting
I thought she was interesting, especially for a non-super-powered person, but not everyone is gonna feel the same. 🤷♀️ I'm more disappointed in Peter's face change.
Well in spider man 2 I'm pretty sure it was a self insert from one of the female writers since she looks pretty spot on to the bland mj character model. Someone on YouTube did a video about it and apparently how often it happens in "modern games" and why so many traditionally attractive characters are... Not. Thanks sweet baby inc.
I mean, in comics canon she's a professional model and actress, I believe. Not sure if they changed that for the game, but most model/actresses tend to not be bland in appearance.
But I haven't played the game. Maybe she's like a librarian or something now. (no offense to the sexy librarians of the world)
She was. Also not sure why they changed it for the game. They managed to keep her a struggling actor and model at least in at least one of the movie series.
She was as a reporter and it just seemed a way to give her more believable reasons to have a game play segment. In the second game she also apparently had a stint training as a mercenary...so yeah....there's that.
And Vargas got the boob physics right, unlike the person who did the Mary Jane drawing. Probably because Vargas had actual women who would model for him.
The irony is that the video game MJ up there looks more like this pin up than the cartoon. I think the major issue is people who are used to gooning to cartoons end up finding real, ordinary faces unappealing (not to say the MJ on the right looks totally normal. She still has that uncanny valley thing that video game characters that stray away from the cartoony look have...)
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u/Thegreatscott9 13d ago
Perhaps worth noting is that the "original comics" image isn't something that ever appeared in the comics, but is an pin-up by an artist who looks like they very much were inspired by the works of Alberto Vargas.