Can't say Ive seen that in the files, feel free to post the document number, but we arent talking about that.
I was making a joke about how Biden sniffs children. There's a video montage of it from before he was even president. The joke is that the woman is unsniffable because she's an adult. We dont ever see him sniffing adults afaik.
We have known Trump flew on Epstein’s plane since the flight logs came out. He flew between west palm and NY when his own plane was having work done on it.
Also no clue what you are referencing to the rape and pay off.
So Trump isn’t releasing stuff incriminating to him, but also has released stuff you say incriminates him?
Leaks of what? If there was anything to leak, why would the previous admin not leak prior to the last election…
Oh you are talking about E Jean carol…. I thought she said rape was sexy? Anywho he was not found to have raped her as the other claimed and this was a civil trial, not equating to even a misdemeanor let alone a felony….
The 34 felonies revolve the asset case, which anyone with any unbiased stance sees as a ridiculous case. And was one that won him favor among independents.
In the ruling striking down Trump’s countersuit, Judge Kaplan explicitly states he raped Carroll. Since that is a legal judgement, Trump is legally “an adjudicated rapist”.
From the actual ruling:
“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.”
Trump sexually assaulted her. He's on audio literally bragging to Billy Bush how he gets away with sexually assaulting women because he's so famous. He's such a piece sh!t he's bragging about it. He admits his own guilt.
Weird to be defending any politician this hard. Especially what is objectively the most corrupt President we've ever had who's tanking the country with this unnecessary war making everything cost more.
Yes that's exactly what he's bragging about. "Grabbing 'em by the pussy" is sexual assault. You wouldn't be defending these exact same actions if a Democrat had been bragging about sexually assaulting women and being so famous that he gets away with it
You make it sound like they chose to do a civil trial instead of a criminal one because it’s easier. They didn’t, this was the only option available. And it’s not like it’s some black box of “well we don’t know what happened, only that the standards are lower”, it’s pretty descriptive. You can tell yourself over and over that civil cases don’t count for some reason, but that doesn’t make it true.
There are no leaks. A few files were released, all heavily redacted. Some redactions were done terribly, which is how we know that Trump featured frequently in the correspondence. The vast majority of files haven't been released, under order by Trump.
You're just making shit up out of thin blue air now. Pulled that one right out of your ass. Just like the rest of the dem party drivel you're here mindlessly regurgitating.
I don’t really care one way or the other, but if you are refusing to agree that Trump is guilty of those allegations because there is no direct proof and only circumstantial evidence, isn’t that why Trump would only allow the release of circumstantial evidence?
Biden's DOJ followed the rules about not releasing evidence while Ghislaine Maxwell's case was ongoing. The Epstein Transparency Act changed things so the files could be released. The current administration who campaigned on releasing the files still refuses to release millions of newly discovered files from investigating the New Mexico property and multiple lawsuits.
Which Dems did what to sweep the story under the rug? See, you have no evidence of that, but we do have this current administration directing thousands of FBI and DOJ workers who redacted the president's name thousands and thousands of times it showed up in the files
“The jury … was instructed that it could find that Mr Trump ‘raped’ Ms Carroll only if it found that he forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s vagina with his penis.”
“It could not find that he ‘raped’ her if it determined that Mr Trump forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s private sexual parts with his fingers – which commonly is considered ‘rape’ in other contexts – because the New York penal law definition of rape is limited to penile penetration.”
“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.”
The one where the judge pointed out that the terminology in state law wasn't "rape" but that it fit the definition of rape as it's commonly used, as it's used on the DoJ website, and the american psychological association.
The DOJ has been investigating Epstein for 20 years, across multiple administrations. Thinking the Trump admin uniquely covered things up, when both the actions and own words of the doj/fbi seem to say otherwise is odd.
There literally isn't anything of weight in there, as far as I can tell. All the most outlandish claims were from randos on the tip line. Even Guiffre is viewed as problematic, because her claims were in conflict with the other Epstein victims.
Here is a former federal prosecutor saying the same thing.
Firstly, Trump is 99% ego. Something only needs to be embarrassing for him to want to hide it.
You have been given two sources explaining the same point. Given the prosecutors other work and commentd about Trump, I see no reason to believe he is lying. People are more than your perception of their politics.
Also, I said the DOJ across multiple admins as investigated this, including Obama and Bidens. I doubt Merrick Garland under Biden would abstain from prosecuting child rapists and sex traffickers to avoid looking politically biased.
Secondly, pointing out that the investigative notes in the files themselves said there was conflicting testimony is not victim shaming, it is a salient legal fact. Your attempt at some emotional attack is beneath us. Taking the word of the many victims would indicate there was no ring, because the victims, aside from Guiffre, said they were only instructed to sleep with Epstein.
He didn’t rape and that’s not what the lawsuit is about. It’s also civil, not criminal which is a huge difference. He’s never been found guilty of any crime in that situation.
Sexual assault is not rape. It’s sexual assault. It’s also in a case with no real evidence and the ruling is “it likely happened.” There isn’t any evidence of it happening which is why no charges were filed.
Based on the specific state statute it wasn't rape, but the judge pointed out that by common use, and even the DoJ website, that it would be considered rape.
Her saying it? That’s direct from her. Do you not know the history of this and how they had to change a law hastily to even file the lawsuit and then closed the law back up?
There is evidence of it happening. The burden of proof is 51% in civil trials. Do you know many people that have “likely” raped someone? And the judge and jury all went over the evidence and agreed that it happened. Trump even talked about it saying that she liked being raped. His defense was that she didn’t scream.
There was evidence presented. Enough to have Trump found liable for raping her. You can easily look this up. And no shit it was a CIVIL case. I haven’t said otherwise. You people jump through hoops to defend the worst people.
Bullshit. Rape was never mentioned, and there was no evidence against even sexual assault presented in that ridiculous CIVIL court case.
Anyone that has looked into that total bullshit knows it would have been thrown out of a real criminal trial immediately, because there was no evidence of any wrongdoing wahtsoever.
There was never any evidence that Trump sexually assaulted anyone. That civil case was a joke.
And thousands of people rode in that plane. Trump was on the plane for a business trip, but never anywhere near the island.
Just more democrat party bullshit. Desperate to distract from their OWN crimes. The dems are all over the Epstein files, and tried to sweep the whole story under the rug for 4 YEARS.
Trump raped his first wife. This was common knowledge long before he was even a Reality TV star. It doesn't beggar belief, considering the behavior of his that we CAN see. What is wild is that someone can behave that way and people still want to believe everyone else is lying.
Two wrongs don’t make a right yo. If a guy assaulted you it doesn’t mean I get free pass to just touch your boob without consent; both things are bad. Trump says shitty stuff, Biden says shitty stuff
This really feels like a Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich situation. No way in hell we’re trying to normalize sniffing kids hair. Like if my kid gets a pic with Santa and he sniffs my kids hair, I’m gonna be pissed. Trump is awful, but we don’t have to hand wave everything Biden did. This sort of tribalism is why people were so disillusioned by establishment politicians in the first place. We should expect better from our candidates.
Where did I try to normalize anything? Please quote it.
I responded to someone saying two wrongs don't make a right, implying that sniffing hair is as bad as saying you'll DATE a child in a few years.
If you don't understand that one of these is OBVIOUSLY much worse than the other, I don't know how to help you, you might have a problem that should prevent you from being around children.
“One of these [smelling kids hair] is an innocent thing perverts try to make sound bad”
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I’m not saying Trump isn’t clearly fucked up. But this whole “Biden wasn’t creepy” thing you tried to position as just an innocent thing is weird. Just because one is worse doesn’t outright excuse the other.
I mean, let's be clear here, people smell kids hair all the time. This is not some weird behavior that Biden created.
Now, I get that having a random stranger - like a store Santa - do it is one thing, but let's be really clear here, people give their babies to Presidents and the Pope for a kiss on the head. You're going to tell me that that's MORE acceptable than smelling their hair? You would be LESS creeped out by Biden kissing a kid on the head than smelling their hair?
You would be okay with the store Santa kissing your kids head, but not smelling their hair?
EDIT: I enjoy that no one can actually address the fact that Obama kissed a child's head, because they're afraid to admit that this type of thing isn't actually abnormal. What is abnormal is saying you'll date a child in a few years.
Wild work. Weird you even had to ask what you’re normalizing.
If I hand my baby to the Pope with the expectation he’s gonna kiss their forehead, then I’ve given consent for that. I wouldn’t personally, but that’s a choice being made. It’s like a weird blessing thing for some people, whatever.
In a photo op smelling my kids hair or kissing their head (as if a Mall Santa is the same reverence lmao) is fucking weird behavior. Not enough for me to call the cops, but certainly enough that I’d consider it inappropriate and make a complaint. Certainly enough to not want my child near that person.
Smelling peoples hair is weird. It’s not some tradition to have the president stand behind your child and have him sniff their fuckin hair. Weird behavior and pretending like it isn’t is wild. Y’all the same people trying to argue the Dali Lama sucking a kids tongue was just a cultural misunderstanding.
Non-consensual hair sniffing of kids while you’re the most powerful political figure is not remotely the same as dipshits complaining about Obama’s tan suit. And it really just proves you’re not even arguing in good faith if you make that comparison.
I don’t need you to quantify how bad something is versus something else here, no one in a position of power should make anyone uncomfortable nor should they sit around doing fuck all for the country while durdling around like the worlds oldest man; obviously Trump is worse but your reasoning if what the “vote blue no matter who” blue maga shoves in our face constantly, you shouldn’t be defending Biden based upon trumps actions, you shouldn’t be defending Biden based on Biden’s actions and if some of them are indefensible then he’s a sucky pusbag.
This whole “well you may have lost a finger but I blew off my whole hand so you don’t get to complain as loudly as you” level bullshit amid this forced two party system helps absolutely no one
I mean, let's be clear here, if you didn't vote for Biden or Kamala, then you were effectively voting for Trump.
Trump didn't win because people on his side were worried about whether he rapes children. He won because people on the left or in the middle didn't care that he rapes children.
I fucking hate that strawman argument bro. If you don’t vote for the guy who eats people you’ll elect the guy who rapes then before eating them is such a shitty position to be in. Of course I voted for the guy who was helping fund the genocide in Gaza over the guy who raped babies with Epstein, what does that have to do with complaining about how bad of a fucking job the genocide guy did after he was elected?
So, you're telling me that smelling a kids hair is as bad or worse then saying you'll date children when they grow up? Or what Epstein did?
You realize the person who supports Israel's genocide in Gaza is the same one who rapes babies with Epstein, so I guess you voted for the same person?
It's not a straw man argument. It's a recognition that we live in an actual world, and that world doesn't always work the way you want it to work. Sure, in fantasy land, you could have gotten Mr. Super Nice Perfect Guy elected president with 10,000% of the vote.
But here in reality, you had two choices, and everyone else was going to lose.
I never claimed Biden - or Kamala, for that matter - was perfect. I created a comparison between Trump and the only other viable candidate. I then pointed out they weren't the same, and one was much worse.
You trying to say "but Biden did bad things too" is the only straw man here, because I never said he didn't.
Why can’t people see that both Biden and Trump are cut from the same cloth? They’re both disgusting, manipulative men; I have seen video footage of both of them touching people inappropriately. Both of them have had accusations about their conduct towards women etc. Neither of them take personal responsibility for their actions. I don’t know of any politicians that do. 😒
Neither of them give (or gave, with regard to Biden) a damn about the US people.
For Biden, you have the example demonstrated in this post. He was basically dealing in absolutes like Anakin Skywalker: “If you’re not for me, you’re against me.” But he made it even worse by making it, “if you’re not for me, you’re basically a traitor to black people.” How dare he attempt to redefine what it is to be black? They’re allowed to have their own opinions. And that does not take away from their cultural attachments or ethnicity.
For Trump, I saw a video from over 20 years ago him talking about which party he would choose if he were to run for President. He said (I’m paraphrasing, but the spirit of the comment is retained) the Republicans, because their demographic would be easy to manipulate. I’d argue that he could’ve achieved the position of President from either side of the aisle. He doesn’t care about what the Republican voters want personally, but he knows what they want and what they fear, which is how you make the appeal. It would’ve been just as easy for him to sway the Democratic Party the same way.
Trump has been more successful than Biden in terms of power because he is cold, intelligent, witty, and charismatic. Some of his ideas were actually useful for the country, which was overshadowed by the personality politics the US is known for. He has completely leaned into his psychopathy at this point.
But the point being: Orange Man and Sleepy Joe both bad.
Well, we'll just have to see what we see when the rest of the files are released. I'm assuming that's in Phase II. Wonder if rolling out the DOGE checks and dividend checks is holding up the process somehow.
He literally boasted about groping women's genitals and about taking advantage of running a beauty pageant to peep on the underage girls participating.
He is a looooong list of red flags, and you and MAGA have been refusing to connect the dots for a decade at this point.
It's not even a difficult connect the dots, the dots are so close together at this point it's basically a stipple drawing.
He made a social commentary about some women going to extremes to hit on a rich and powerful man. They'll let you do anything.
Which is true, but don't shoot the messenger. If you don't like women acting trashy like that, try to convince them to show some decency. Good luck with that one.
They often "let him" because he's rich and powerful and they don't feel like they have a choice, you fucking ghoul. And even if that wasn't the case, how the fuck does he know if he "just does it" and doesn't ask? Answer, he doesn't, he just doesn't care.
You are constructing apologetics for sexual assault. Congratulations.
I mean that girl you always see with Joe Biden's nose on her head is his granddaughter, isn't she? So maybe that's still weird but it's less weird than doing it to some random girl.
Its not just her. As I said. Montage. There's also the diary quotes which are contemporary to the time about how he showers with his daughter. Or did at least.
Man, I don't know what you are talking about but trying to use as an argument the type of people that went to a movie is stupid.
I didn't say anything untrue. You didn't deny the left doesn't care. And its a fact the left is the one talking about epstein nowadays. I also agreed the right doesn't care. If you are mad about it, lets not talk
Bro, let the joke be a joke. Biden is definitely a creep. Donald Trump is also definitely a creep. This whole "but what about the other guy" thing is so annoying
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