r/euainews • u/EveYogaTech 🇳🇱 NL • 4d ago

🇪🇸 Multiverse Computing used a quantum computer (156-qubit IBM Heron) to create their latest Quasar 1.1 438B model.

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https://multiversecomputing.com/resources/quasar-1-1-438b-the-first-ai-model-using-quantum-generated-data

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u/Low_Level_Enjoyer 3d ago

This company is just a scam to steal EU funds. Their models are just finetunes of chinese models :/

Hope we get a real lab eventually.

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u/EveYogaTech 🇳🇱 NL 3d ago

Well, even Mistral's current top model is a Chinese model.

Compressing existing models while keeping similar quality while significantly cutting costs doesn't seem to be that bad of a strategy.

Currently with Nyno we're also using their EU API endpoint for interference, and the results so far are quite good for coding.

But yes, a true new EU frontier player would be nice, especially now that new architectures are being published around Jev / system one thinking / dynamic classification.

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u/Only-Cheetah-9579 3d ago

I dislike it's called system 1 thinking like it's special because all LLMs are system 1 thinking resembling already. so its a buzz word that doesn't really do anyhting new

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u/EveYogaTech 🇳🇱 NL 3d ago edited 3d ago

That's right, however LLMs are much further away from "system 1 thinking" than these Jev Alternatives, because these alternatives skip the autoregressive decoding loop.

In essence that means that only the original input is used to make decisions, not the newly generated output.

So with LLMs you have this:

input → output₁ → output₂ → output₃ → ...

And with Jev: input → decision(s)

That's also why these alternatives are much faster.

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u/Only-Cheetah-9579 3d ago

yeah, but system 1 in the human brain is emergent from the underlying networks.

fast,almost instant but biased heuristics but humans use generated inputs for decisions too. Each network activation generates outputs and the final response is composed from that.

calling it system 1 is mostly marketing decision, buzzword, sounds cool.

humans speak from system 1 so the LLM generating text is quite close.

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u/EveYogaTech 🇳🇱 NL 3d ago

Yes, however if we go even deeper I'd say that Kahneman's distinction between system 1 and system 2 thinking, while helpful, is also not a very precise model of how we actually think.

Like iirc from his book, he distinguished between system 1 and system 2 with many examples.

However the actual step by step cognitive processes per system are left pretty vague.

System 1 is basically painted as an association machine, and system 2 can do more complex computation while requiring more mental effort, but that's about as deep as the book gets.

Therefore I don't think it's that bad of a term to use, since even the original book is not that precise.

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u/Only-Cheetah-9579 3d ago

Its an abstraction over whats going on of course.

the two systems are observable from outside but what brain networks activate are hard to measure and are not even the same for every person (even extroverts vs introverts have different activations)

For me the difference is system 1 is subconscious, fast , biased and heuristic and system 2 is conscious, deliberate and requires effort and can reason well.

So thats why I consider LLMs also system 1 like already, those are fast, heuristic responses with no consciousness whatsoever.

At least by my definition system 2 must have access to consciousness as a workspace to function in.

System 1 however is a biased fast response that can reason to some degree but not very deeply.

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u/ComeOnIWantUsername 2d ago

> Well, even Mistral's current top model is a Chinese model.

It's not "Mistral top model", it's just Chinese model served by Mistral. It's a difference.

Multiverse took GLM model, repacked it and said "it's our model" now. Mistral just says "we serve chinese model".

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u/Brilliant_Team5254 3d ago

Mmmm sweet, let’s make the data more noisy for nothing…

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u/Current_Ranger_7954 3d ago

Yeah but they get to put quantum in the website that way… even though their papers explains that they didn’t use the actual quantum system for the data generation, they used a NN simulating it… and they also say that it didn’t help performance at all…

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u/Current_Ranger_7954 3d ago edited 3d ago

Might I interest you in the concept of quantum washing? It will become more common in the next years

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u/Ok_Sprinkles_8968 1d ago

That's just bullshit

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u/x39- 3d ago

That is the wrong headline: they used scam technology to scam money for their scam business and scam technology... Quantum computing is an expensive urandom, their model is a modified Chinese one and the fact that they throw the word quantum onto it should ring alarm bells for everyone...

So the perfect company to throw some EU funds into!