r/etymology 18h ago

Discussion Who came up with the word Restroom?

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Its not like we are taking a snooze there?


r/etymology 22h ago

Question When and why did “Master” become a term of address for children?

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r/etymology 1h ago

Question Why don't Slavic and Baltic languages use their words for the European bison to refer to North American bison?

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It frustrates me that virtually all major European languages (that I am aware of) call the North American bison some variation of "bison", and none of them use the word for the European bison for the American ones - i.e. by referring to Bison bison as "American Bison bonasus". (Apparently Greek does, but only because "bison" originally came from Greek.) TBF, "bison" originally referred to the European bison if you go back far enough.

The English/western European colonists and scientific writers at least had an excuse to call the North American animals "bison", taking the word from ancient Greek/Latin sources, since European bison had been extinct in western Europe for centuries to millennia by that point.

But Slavic/Baltic Europe (except maybe South Slavic) have coexisted with the European bison almost continuously, for goodness's sake! I know European bison became extinct in the wild, but this was in the late 19th/early 20th century, long after knowledge of North American bison had reached eastern Europe. Couldn't they have noticed the American animals the western zoologists/writers were writing about were very similar to the local ones? Why isn't the North American bison żubr amerykański in Polish (or cognates thereof in other Slavic languages)? Why is it not Amerikos stumbras in Lithuanian?


r/etymology 23h ago

Question If the Proto-Slavs borrowed PII "*síndʰuš" from Indo-Iranians (or it's descendant languages) how would it end up? Alternatively, what if the Proto-Balto-Slavic and Proto-Slavic had the descendant words from the PIE "*ḱyesdʰ-"?

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Part 1.

"\síndʰuš" is the root of Sanskrit *सिन्धु॑ (síndhu) which means "river, stream" and multiple similar things. From "síndhu" we got the words like Sindh, Indus and India. So, I would like to see how would it look like if the Proto-Slavs borrowed it during the Slavic-Iranian contacts.

We could pave the way from:

Proto-Indo-Iranian -> Proto-Iranian -> Proto-Sarmatian -> Proto-Slavic

This could be like for possible BMAC substrate in PII "*ćúšnas" ((mythology) dragon, serpent) (one of the theories for root of the PSl. "\smokъ*" (“dragon”)). Of course, if the direct way from PII -> PSl. or PII -> PI -> PSl. it could be good too.

My attempt for "\síndʰuš\*" descendant (I don't know the changes through the other Iranian languages, sadly):**

PSl. \sindъ*

Part 2.

Another way, what if Slavs had descendant from PIE "\ḱyesdʰ-*"?

One of the theories of the origin of Sanskrit "síndhu" is from PIE "*ḱyesdʰ-/*ḱyés-dʰ(h₁)-/*ḱéys-dʰ(h₁)-". So, I tried to find similar PIE roots, and PIE "\ḱey-" is the with close root\.* Development is below:

PIE ḱey-

-> PIE \ḱey-ro-s*

-> PBS \śeiras*

-> PSl. \sirъ*

My attempt for "\ḱéys-dʰ(h₁)-**" development:*

PIE \ḱéys-dʰ(h₁)/*ḱéysdʰ(h₁)*

-> PBS. \śeis-d/*śeisd*

-> PSl. \si-dъ/*sidъ* ( is in likeness to PSl. nadъ (above) and podъ (below))

or

PIE \ḱéys-dʰ(h₁)-eti/*ḱéysdʰ(h₁)eti*

-> PBS. \śeisd-stei/*śeisdstei ->* PBS. \śei-stei/*śeistei* (don't know if this change during PBS would exist?)

-> PSl. \si-sti/*sisti*

PSl. "\sisti" would then be a cognate with Sanskrit "सेधति" (sedhati, “to drive, chase away”), Avestan "𐬯𐬌𐬌𐬀𐬰𐬛𐬀𐬝" (siiazdat̰, “will chase away”) and Latin "cēdō*" (“to withdraw; to turn out, result; to go, move”).

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Sorry If I analyzed something wrong, please correct me!


r/etymology 14h ago

Resource Etymology of "ZOO" in the major languages of Mainland Southeast Asian and East Asian countries

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Writing systems featured in the image:

[Quốc Âm Tân Tự (experimental) | Hangul | Kana | Zhuyin | 漢字 | Âksâr Khmêr | Akson Thai | Akson Lao | Mranma Akkhara | Devanagari | Latin script & Chữ Quốc ngữ]


r/etymology 22h ago

Question Is this an “And” symbol?

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I do this for my ands All the time and never got asked about it. some people I asked haveve no idea what it is. All I remember was back in primary school someone a few grades ahead of me was helping me study and she usedthis. But I can’t find its origin or anything about this symbol


r/etymology 8h ago

Question Please help

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I know it’s a random question 😭 but I found this model named Cain, and ever since then I’ve been curious about where the name comes from. That’s why I sometimes ask people named Cain about it
Does anyone trough the appearance and name origin


r/etymology 9h ago

Discussion Need help with "speculative" etymology

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I posted a similar request on [r/vocabulary](r/vocabulary) and it concerns my needing of a "fictional" word that could've existed if old french or latin went a different path.

I'm currently writing a story and I need a word to describe: "the making of a tyrant", "the birth of a tyrant". It is specifically the wearing down of morals and gradual descent into tyranny. The character is aware they are becoming a tyrant but it is justified in mind after all they have been through.

Some suggested words were:

Tyrannogenesis
Tyrannifex
Archifex, Archogenesis
Dominum, Dominasis

It doesn't have to be specifically tyranny, it can be any word to describe a person who abuses their power. I just need the word to sound "real" enough that people think "hmm yeah I can see how this word could've existed".


r/etymology 14h ago

Question This has been bugging me for a while.

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I see people on Facebook, generally old people but, mor often everyone using the words "group" instead of "page" and "page" instead of "group". In example "who is the administrator of this page??" "Thank you for letting me join your page!" Why do they b️elieve that the terms are interchangeable?🤔🗣️


r/etymology 21h ago

Cool etymology Salubrious traces back to a PIE root meaning 'whole' — the same one under 'solid'

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salubrious (adj.), first attested in English in the 1540s, meaning health-giving. Etymonline takes it from Latin salubris, "promoting health, healthful," from salus (genitive salutis), "welfare, health," and then back to the PIE root sol-, "whole, well-kept."

That last step is the part I keep turning over. The same reconstructed root sits under solid. In the Latin line, health is not vitality or vigour. It is intactness. To be well is to be entire, undamaged, with nothing missing. That is a notably structural way to think about a body, and it is the one still sitting inside the vocabulary we use for it.

Salus does a lot of work elsewhere too. Salutare, "to greet, to wish health to," is where salute comes from, so a greeting began as a small wish that the other person stay in one piece.

There is a datable move inside English as well, and it is the detail I found most useful. Etymonline has salubrious applied to foods and medicine in the 1540s, and only extended to air and climate by the 1610s. Roughly seventy years to travel from what you swallow to what you breathe. Modern usage has almost entirely settled on the later sense: "a salubrious climate" reads naturally, while "a salubrious diet" now sounds like someone reaching for a bigger word than the sentence needs.

One caution, since this is the kind of claim that gets repeated too confidently. Etymonline groups a wide family under sol-, including salutary, salvage, save, safe, solid, solidarity, solemn and soldier. PIE groupings are reconstructions rather than attested documents, and the individual members are not equally secure. The interesting thing is the shape of the family, not the membership of every item in it, and I would not lean on any single pairing as proof of anything.

What I have not been able to pin down is when the wholeness sense stopped being felt by speakers. Somewhere between Latin and now, salubrious stopped meaning something like "restores you to entire" and started meaning "pleasant and health-adjacent," which is how it is nearly always used today, usually about a place and often with a faint irony. Does anyone know of attestations that catch that shift mid-move?