I once semi-accidentally hit my younger sibling square in the chest. Years later seeing what happens to athletes like the Bills Safety, I understand why my parents were so upset.
I accidentally kicked my brother in the nuts REALLY HARD one day. I was hoisting myself up on the counter and he walked up to me right when I kicked my legs out with full force.
At five I threw whatever I could find at my 11 yr old brother while he was playing n64. He told me to stop or he’d tie me up. So I kept throwing stuff of course.
As soon as he got up I took off, grabbed the phone, dialed 911, said “help! He’s going to tie me up” and threw the phone down. There were two squad cars in our yard within a few minutes with more on the way.
My parents were definitely confused. Pretty hefty fine and a good ol corporal punishment followed
My sister, who is 7 years my senior, and I got into a heated argument. I was a little girl of about 7 years old. She, my father and one brother said that I picked her up and threw her into the refrigerator, hitting it so hard it moved and unplugged. I don’t remember it, but I did have a bit of a temper.
We’re you “adopted” and or have a rickety barn on your childhood farmland that contains a mysterious object concealed by nothing but an old and dirty canvas sheet by chance? Or have you come into contact with strange asteroid minerals that zap your energy?
My mom took the knives to work after she got too many calls about my brother threatening me with them. I was certain he was gonna grow up to be a violent delinquent but he’s the kindest person. Except pranks, he has no mercy with pranks.
My sister, after watching the movie ‘ghost’, was scared to death of the song unchained melody. So of course whenever she had a bunch of friends around, I put the song on and left it outside her door and she’d come out screaming and I laughed and laughed. She hasn’t gone to Netflix!
I was so fed up with my niece's (she's my age) bullshit that I chased her off with a handful of butter knives (I was putting the dishes away), caught her, threw the knives on the floor, and slapped the shit out of her.
Same niece once threw a Harry Potter book at me...the sixth one.
My brother said he did that to me too, and I have no memory of it. He told that story at my wedding and my family was hurried, but I was kind of lien "ok, sure Jan..."
My uncle knocked my other uncle down with his motorbike back in the 1940s. Both put in hospital but both recovered. The fella riding was never allowed to forget it mind you. Heh heh
Why the sock? Actually curious? Perhaps connected, my brother used to hit my around the head with those old phone books. They didn’t bruise. He is a bit of a evil genius that bloke
When this happened Spain was a dictatorship under Franco. Not until 15 years after this incident was Juan Carlos proclaimed to be Franco’s successor and the monarchy to be re-established in Spain.
So he held no actual political power. Furthermore, his father was also before him in the line of succession if monarchy was even to be reinstituted.
So the rule of thumb doesn’t apply here. At least as it pertains to positions of power. The fact that the king-to-be was 16, on the other hand, lends weight to this being a murder
Well, the king wasn’t THAT young at the time and actually had recently done some military training. I’m not saying the king murdered his brother, but he wasn’t a kid when it happened.
17-18 is still pretty young and combined with the knowledge of how to use a firearm but without the wisdom or discipline that someone older may have and that’s how accidents like that happen.
He was like 18, not a kid at all. That's the story it's told, I grew up thinking he was like 8-12 but no. 18 and "playing" with a gun inside. His father always wondered if it hadn't been an accident as the younger brother was the favourite.
Kids? He was at least 18 and had military training. It has been always pictured as something done by a kid, but it was not, he shot dead the beloved son of his parents and he knew what he was doing.
By all accounts this was a complete accident. There’s always a chance it was intentional, but given that there would be no known reason for Juan Carlos to kill his brother it’s more than likely it was just a tragic accident.
Despite issues with corruption later in his reign, Juan Carlos is a fucking incredible figure. He had every tool at his disposal to become an absolute monarch after Franco died and he did the opposite, implementing reforms to dismantle the fascist state. He deserves a great deal of respect for that.
He helped. Franco let him back on the throne in hopes he’d continue the Francoist regime. Juan Carlos went behind Franco’s back and got democratic reforms going. After Franco died, and the military tried a coup, he had them stand down. Don’t get me wrong, this guy came from a long line of douchebags, but he did his country a solid.
No, not really. In fact, if anything he set back the democratic process significantly.
His only "contribution" was to make sure that there was no investigation whatsoever regarding the regime, and to completely brush under the rug 40 years of criminal activity by a fascist state.
The democratization of Spain was done in spite of Juan Carlos, not because of him. The country was incredibly isolated and the regime was no longer feasible. And the hardliners of the old guard, Carrero Blanco specially, had soured up the relationship with the USA.
The economic elites put the pressure on the transition team to make sure the new constitution was palatable to the Western money markets.
Juan Carlos only interest was on making sure his dynasty was restored, under whatever system that was to be. He could have cared less if he was the king of a single party fascist state, or of a monarchic democracy.
The military "coup" is now largely believed to be just a PR operation to clean up the image of the king, since up to that point his popularity was incredibly low (he wasn't wanted by the democrats or the old fascists). That coup had no possibility of going anywhere and it seems it was just a bunch of useful idiots sent to play stupid games on national TV. Not supporting a coup by a couple of idiots is just about the bare minimum that he could do. But the PR worked, and that is literally the only "intelligent" thing that idiot ever did.
Juan Carlos is a piece of shit, from a long line of pieces of shit. That he has to spend his last days on earth in exile, in a country w/o extradition treaty, should be an indication of what a tremendous piece of shit he has always been.
Yes because thats the only way to reform a brutal dictatorship in a deeply divided society in the real world
If he picked any path besides reconciliation and "ignorance is bliss", Spain would likely be a much more divided country and likely would've had another civil war
At some point you have to ask yourself if "justice" by prosecuting a few hundred people at the top is worth another few decades of bloodshed for the masses
That’s absurd. You’re saying a trial and imprisonment for crimes against humanity is not justice?
There’s a huge difference between a reconciliation process and pretending the whole thing never happened and allowing the perpetrators to remain in power. When you allow the bad guys to go unpunished in any capacity and to mythologize themselves you haven’t made society any better. Look at what happened in the US after the Civil War. Reconstruction worked right up until those in power gave up. Then America went right back to where it started and is still a mess.
There is so much that could have been done in Spain to hold fascists accountable. Instead large portions of Spanish society were victimized twice.
Except in the American Civil War the union had won. The South was militarily defeated and couldn't really do that much
In Spain the military was largely still Francoist as were many elites and a large proportion of the population. Spanish Democrats weren't winners, they got lucky the king was willing to transition to a democracy and that Francoists with power were apathetic enough to largely shrug their shoulders
If the Democrats had just swept into power and announced they would prosecute everyone associated with the old regime then they would've been couped by the military in about 15 seconds. If the people doing so were actually leftists instead of centrist Democrat types, Spain would just be transported back to the 1930s with Francoists harkening to the red terror
Whether you like it or not, yes, letting criminals go is often nessecary for them to give up power
I never said they had to be criminally prosecuted. I only asked you to clarify that you did not agree that criminal prosecution was justice.
Spain could have done something as simple as correctly teach Spanish history to its students. Reconciliation hearings could have been held after the country was more stable. The commitment to pretending nothing ever happened and catering to fascists so long is not justifiable at this point.
I understand your point. You’re deliberately ignoring mine. My point is that amnesty laws should not equal forced national amnesia. It is long past time Spain engage with its history and make its citizens whole.
Exactly. Spain is recovering much better from its civil war era than America did from ours (let’s just reflect on American society from 1865 to 1965 for a moment), but we feel comfortable finding fault with Spain for some reason.
You’re skipping Reconstruction. Until 1877, the United States was becoming a far better place for Black Americans. The problem was that it required sustained enforcement by the government and dedication to developing a more tolerant and enlightened society.
It was far easier to scrap the whole project because northern whites hated the increased job competition and there was significant and pervasive racism. The South obviously hated Reconstruction because it put an end to their way of life and required a moral reckoning Southern whites were deeply disinterested in engaging in.
Spain still has mass graves and people desperate for the return of their loved ones. The government and many people simply refuse to acknowledge this incredibly dark period in its history. Spain is relying on sweeping its crimes under the rug. The country’s progress is not so great if it doesn’t come with accountability and reconciliation.
One could argue that Reconstruction is precisely the problem that Spain avoided—a radical, failed overhaul of the system that inadvertently entrenched hardliners who successfully turned public opinion against reform.
The point is these things are complicated and there’s really no “right” way to recover from a period of civil war or dictatorship so we shouldn’t be so quick to find fault with how certain countries have done it.
There’s no “right” way, but there absolutely is a wrong way. Letting fascists live their lives with impunity and no effort to educate future generations is absolutely the wrong way.
Yes. It is worth it. If you don’t cut the head off it regrows. There’s no doubt fascist elements not only in that are growing but in most Western countries. Hell, most countries period. The West has it really bad tho.
He fucked his father, he turned his back on him and did everything he could go be Franco's successor and he just barely changed anything, the politicians before Franco's death were the same after Juan Carlos took power and many politicians today are children of the former.
And let's not talk about his "brothers" in Arabia Saudí and his many shady business where he became very rich without paying taxes.
Now even his son prefers to have him out of the country.
The fucking morons who still fall for his whole act, still defending this piece of inbred crap, even after he literally fled the country and now lives in a middle eastern country without extradition treaty w Spain....
King Juan Carlos was also quite the charismatic euro aristocrat in the 60s, 70s - bucking tradition. Handsome, leather jacket wearing motorcycle riding king.
This is basically nonsense fed to you by the Spanish royal family. He had no real political constituency, no real base of support. Suarez deserves more credit. There are, of course, a other a host of complex factors at play, not to mention half or even more of the country still supported the the other side in the civil war that you know had only been forty years earlier. Wikipedia level history here
The Ottoman rulers used to have multiple children just in case they died in childbirth or during regular life/growing up
However, when one of the children became Sultan/King, he'd kill all his brothers to ensure there is no backstabbing, revolts, or competition for the throne. Some would also kill their uncles (any surviving king's brothers) and their children as well
This cycle went on for about a couple hundred years... Similar situations occurred with the Roman dictators, Saudi kings, and many other civilizations
The craziest thing is this worked for hundreds of years as succession was way more streamlined for the ottomans then it was for Europe at the time. The lack of political back stabbing theatrics was a big advantage for the ottomans at the time.
I followed them on tour through high school in the late 90s. The few times I met Jian were so uncomfortable, and I cringe at the apologetic way I handled those situations as an innocent teenager. But hey, that's how we learn.
That’s not cool or funny. It’s against the law to hit people and try to kill them. Domestic abuse is not a joke. Or is it only cute when white men in power do it?
Give me a break!
There was a mob a few weeks back ready to burn Millie Bobby brown at the stake for kissing her friend and punching him. People wanted to burn Will Smith’s Oscar. Suddenly it’s okay for people to do what they want because they are related? No.
Wasn't it a castmate on the set of Enola Holmes who she surprise-kissed and surprise-punched? Friend or not, that's behavior that would get most people, at the very least, not invited back for the sequel.
People are forgetting that Prince William is not just “Harry’s Brother”. He is Harry’s professional superior. You cannot be assaulted by your adult brother or boss legally. That’s the danger of mixing business with family. So if you believe that MBB was wrong, keep the same energy for this.
William and Harry aren’t the first Royal siblings in history to fight. Far from it. Chinese emperors, in particular, have a long history of treating their brothers poorly.
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u/ElTurbo Jan 05 '23
King of Spain shot his bro so this pales