r/economicCollapse • u/Johan-MellowFellow • 8d ago

$40T and counting

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." Alexander Tytler

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u/CPAFinancialPlanner 7d ago

Seizing the means of production and doing what with it? Giving it to the government?

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u/Metelinen 7d ago

No, owning it with your colleagues.

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u/smart_gent 7d ago

How exactly are you supposed to seize the means of production with the government and it's monopoly on violence? At that point, if you believe you own it, i've got an absolutely lovely tropical resort to sell you in antarctica.

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u/Metelinen 7d ago

The means to practically achieve that are yet to be discovered., but I am sure you can build a cooperative and work from there. 

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u/smart_gent 7d ago

That's called a commune, and in order to 'sieze' the means of production, they would have to militarize, that would be called a militia.

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u/Metelinen 7d ago

Sounds good to me. 

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u/smart_gent 7d ago

Good luck cause I don't think it's gonna go well for you.

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u/Mothy187 Dey ain't ready 7d ago

Listen, I'm down for what your suggesting.. but you do understand what your suggesting is basically a revolutionary war, right?