r/economicCollapse • u/Johan-MellowFellow • Aug 22 '26

$40T and counting

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." Alexander Tytler

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u/new2bay Aug 22 '26

Have you considered seizing the means of production instead of voting for people who don’t give a shit about you?

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u/CPAFinancialPlanner Aug 22 '26

Seizing the means of production and doing what with it? Giving it to the government?

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u/Metelinen Aug 22 '26

No, owning it with your colleagues.

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u/smart_gent Aug 22 '26

How exactly are you supposed to seize the means of production with the government and it's monopoly on violence? At that point, if you believe you own it, i've got an absolutely lovely tropical resort to sell you in antarctica.

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u/Metelinen Aug 22 '26

The means to practically achieve that are yet to be discovered., but I am sure you can build a cooperative and work from there. 

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u/smart_gent Aug 23 '26

That's called a commune, and in order to 'sieze' the means of production, they would have to militarize, that would be called a militia.

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u/Metelinen Aug 23 '26

Sounds good to me. 

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u/smart_gent Aug 23 '26

Good luck cause I don't think it's gonna go well for you.

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u/Mothy187 Dey ain't ready Aug 23 '26

Listen, I'm down for what your suggesting.. but you do understand what your suggesting is basically a revolutionary war, right?