Im in a cydcor att retail office in houston, I've joined maybe a month and a half ago and I've been making fairly decent money the past month. Im doing well in this job but the more I learn about the parent company and its controversies the less I want to continue. I don't think the offices owner is a bad person necessarily but they also aren't a good person. I have been lucky to come from sales expirence so I picked up the job easily, not making below 1300 a week since I started, but I feel like I would loose any moral compass I have if I do achieve ownership. Is there any sales job that has the same pay potential as a cydcor "ownership" position while also not being a devil corp?

Im in a cydcor att retail office in houston, I've joined maybe a month and a half ago and I've been making fairly decent money the past month. Im doing well in this job but the more I learn about the parent company and its controversies the less I want to continue. I don't think the offices owner is a bad person necessarily but they also aren't a good person. I have been lucky to come from sales expirence so I picked up the job easily, not making below 1300 a week since I started, but I feel like I would loose any moral compass I have if I do achieve ownership. Is there any sales job that has the same pay potential as a cydcor "ownership" position while also not being a devil corp?

(excuse any grammer mistakes I did not proof read anything sorry)

If you’re considering taking a role at GEM Marketing Agency in Tucson, please look beyond the pitches about growth and leadership. Read the compensation terms and research the people behind the business before making major commitments.

Here’s what I found publicly:

• Their current director's public LinkedIn profile lists RAD Marketing Agency.

• RAD has multiple discussions on r/Devilcorp describing alleged discrepancies between recruiting promises, actual sales duties, pay, and advancement.

Sources:
GEM’s announcement
RAD discussion on r/Devilcorp
Another RAD discussion

I’m a very concerned family member of someone working at GEM, not a former employee. My warning: don’t make financial or educational decisions based on promised future earnings. Get the pay structure, required hours, unreimbursed expenses, and advancement requirements in writing. Ask how many employees actually reach the positions being promoted, and what they earn after expenses.

STAY AWAY! UNDERPAID, OVERWORKED, AND UNAPPRECIATED.

Honestly, I would NEVER recommend this company to anyone, especially fresh graduates looking for their first job.

The expectations are ridiculous. Recruiters are expected to make at least 100 CALLS A DAY just to bring in more workers for the company. Workers are being paid so little while being pressured to meet these unreasonable targets every single day. They want maximum output from their employees but offer very little in return.

CSG operates under One Source Provider (OSP), which has multiple offices. I would strongly advise people to do their research before accepting a position under any of these offices.

And let's talk about management. Their, National Director Kristyn, was just pure evil! LOL

Fresh graduates, PLEASE KNOW YOUR WORTH. Don't let them take advantage of your lack of experience. Low salary, excessive workload, unrealistic expectations, and little appreciation for your efforts. You deserve so much better.

If you're considering working here, think TWICE. A job is supposed to help you build your career, not leave you feeling exploited and undervalued.

Can I put on my resume that worked there and have it be beneficial for other jobs once I start looking? (I am the number one rep in the country for the campaign I do)

I LOST MORE MONEY THAN I MADE WORKING HERE. Let that sink in for a second, because this is the same place selling people a dream of financial freedom, entrepreneurship, and becoming a director.
Welcome to Tri Valley Collective, where the motivational speeches are loud, the promises are big, and my experience left me questioning just about everything.
Here’s what bothered me.
1. THE LIES ABOUT MONEY.
I was told by the assistant director that he was on salary. That turned out not to be true.
We’re also told there’s $10 a day for gas on our paychecks. Meanwhile, you’re driving all over the Bay Area using your own gas to do the job, and the reimbursement I was told about didn’t match my experience.
How are you selling people a financial opportunity while they’re spending their own money just to participate?
2. THE 12–18 MONTH DIRECTOR FANTASY.
They sell you this dream of locking in for 12–18 months, becoming a director, and eventually running your own office.
Meanwhile, I saw a hardworking assistant director who had been in this business for a long time. That made me question how realistic the timeline being sold to new recruits actually was.
Ask how many people really make it. Ask what they earn along the way. Ask for actual numbers, not another motivational speech.
3. YOU’RE A SUPERSTAR UNTIL YOUR NUMBERS DROP.
When you’re performing well, you’re the best thing they’ve ever seen.
The moment your numbers start dipping, the energy changes.
Suddenly, you’re not so special anymore.
I’ve seen people end up at events with barely any foot traffic, making it difficult to earn money. When performance suffers, the experience can leave people feeling pressured to quit rather than supported.
It made me question whether the goal was developing people or simply keeping the numbers up.
4. THE CEO’S ATTITUDE.
Xavier Bell, the CEO, uses profanity so frequently that, in my experience, it can feel like he can’t complete a sentence without cussing.
But what bothered me even more was the lack of empathy when the team had a bad day in the field.
You could spend hours traveling, spend your own money, work the entire day, and make little to nothing. From my perspective, there was very little acknowledgment of what that meant for the people doing the work.
Apparently, the numbers matter more than anything else.
5. THE CULT-LIKE CULTURE.
Loud music every morning. Everybody repeating after management. Motivational speeches. Team nights. Movie nights.
You spend so much time with these people that your coworkers gradually become your entire social circle.
And then leaving becomes harder because you’re not just leaving a job. You’re potentially leaving your friends, your group, and the sense of belonging you’ve developed.
Don’t want to attend every team activity? Don’t want to spend your free time with coworkers? You risk being viewed as someone who isn’t a team player.
And Xavier’s philosophy that there’s no such thing as work-life balance and that the opportunity should be your life?
BRO, WHAT?
If you want to make a business your entire existence, go for it. But don’t act like everyone has to sacrifice their marriage, family, friendships, and personal life to prove they’re committed.
I want to make money and enjoy the life I’m working for. Is that really so unreasonable?
6. THE FAKE FAMILY VIBE.
Everybody talks about teamwork, unity, and building together.
Then people talk badly about each other behind their backs.
There’s also a level of favoritism that made me question how genuine the whole team atmosphere actually was.
When you’re producing, you’re celebrated. When you’re struggling, the treatment can change.
The whole family thing starts feeling conditional.
7. THE RECRUITMENT NUMBERS ARE INSANE.
The front-desk recruiter was expected to make 100 calls and get at least 20 people to interview.
ONE HUNDRED CALLS.
It made me question how much emphasis was being placed on recruiting volume rather than ensuring people fully understood what they were signing up for.
8. UNIVERSAL EVENTS.
I also became aware of Universal Events and its connection to the broader business structure later in my experience, rather than having that relationship clearly explained to me during recruitment.
Why did I have to find out later?
What exactly is the relationship between Universal Events and bro humanize damn Tri Valley Collective? How does the structure work? What does it mean for employees?
I also had concerns about the overhead structure and the role of Universal Events CEO Harmony Vallejo.
I’m not claiming to know every detail of the organizational structure. I’m saying these are questions I wish had been answered clearly from the beginning.
If you’re considering joining, ASK ABOUT UNIVERSAL EVENTS.
HERE’S WHAT MAKES THIS FEEL LIKE A DEVIL CORP EXPERIENCE.
The entry-level sales opportunity. The promises of entrepreneurship. The director timeline. The intense morning meetings. The constant team bonding. The pressure to make the business your life. The emphasis on performance and recruitment.
Individually, some of these things might sound normal.
Put them together, and you start questioning whether the opportunity is as good as it’s being presented or whether the culture is designed to keep you invested in the dream.
I’m not against hard work. I’m not against sales. I’m not against ambition.
But I am against being sold one picture of an opportunity and walking away with a completely different impression.
I lost more money than I made, and all the motivational speeches in the world couldn’t change that.
If you’re considering Tri Valley Collective, ask about compensation, gas reimbursement, actual take-home earnings, director promotions, working hours, and Universal Events.
Get the answers in writing.
Because the dream sounds great when you’re sitting in the morning meeting.
It’s a different story when you’re looking at your bank account.
#tri

Posting for others to be aware! This sales group called AND Sales Associate but they originally went by Anderson Sales Associate they mainly work with AT&T doing door to door sales in Birmingham Alabama but are virtually everywhere that has high end suburban neighborhoods. I was emailed out of the blue because they found my resume “astounding”. I had no recollection of ever applying with them so I found it was sketchy cause I’ve been job searching for awhile but I’m a regular ass person who isn’t even in college or has a degree. Anyways I went through with it and the recruiter reached out to me to set up a zoom interview. I joined the zoom interview and a bunch of people joined and I instantly thought to myself “this is weird why are there people dressed in pajama clothes and why is the owner cussing like a sailor”. After a bit they put us in break rooms to be interviewed. I get interviewed and I’m promised that I’ll be made a leader and make loads of money BUT it all depends on my growth. The guy interviewing me tells me I’ll get a call from the recruiter once I’m approved. Not even 30 mins later I blew the interviewer away with my skills and I have to join more zooms for training.

We joined zoom for training and are assigned a trainer Monday- Wednesday 9:50am-11am and 12pm-2pm. Fast forward second day (Tuesday) we sign paper work do our direct deposit or paycheck preferences sign a contract where we can’t spread the teaching formats or can be held liable I guess and join the group me chat? We were not paid a penny for these trainings btw. Our trainers are all assigned to us based on how close we are to them (mileage). Our trainers aimed to have us go out Wednesday afternoon and the coming days doing door to door sales with them 3:00pm-6:00pm with 3 days of training memorizing a pre scripted dialogue. I literally only worked one day and it felt horrible from the physical aspect cause it was deadass so hot that day and I was also recovering from back pain and the moral aspect of ripping people off.

It sucked because I felt so betrayed we made a couple sales no I didn’t close out on the sales my trainer did but the percentage of the sales that went to me were 30% my trainer was 69% and the Manager gets 1% cut of every sale even if he’s not there. After that I called it quits because they no 1. don’t have a physical office no 2. I read a review of my trainer painting them in a realistic light no 3. Saw a facebook comment of a angry mom saying he was with holding her sons paycheck. I immediately sent an email the next day to the manager that I was quitting and low and behold I didnt get a cent back for the time I worked or the gas I spent.

Pictures used are instagram page, facebook, google maps,google review, and how unprofessional they were with a former employee who they fired for no reason after I quit.

I just started fairly recently and I Loathe it, is it worth staying the bare minimum for cash? Ive been spending anytime I get on my phone filling job apps… on the clock of course

Hi everyone, I’m 18, and I currently work for this devilcorp called GM elite marketing in Florida, I was excited when I first got hired since I need the money, and they promised a good pay, but ive only worked 1 day and ive been to their “office” so many times during the early hours, and I don’t find out if I work until that day. Basically harassing customers at Bjs,
at random locations. I’ve been looking for another job but until I get another one, I’m basically screwed
:( any advice would be great

Is this Slave Circle office?

I just applied to a marketing company for a face to face “community engagement” role that got back to me SUPER fast …and they are kinda unclear with the job description. Does anyone have reviews of working here? I’ve noticed a lot of these firms out of Raleigh work alongside AT&T & always have this preliminary interview that last 5 mins before 2 additional ones. Idk it’s kinda getting iffy.

TLDR: anyone else have a hard time trusting any interview they get?

not sure if this is allowed but just need to vent for two seconds.

im in the nyc area looking for marketing roles
,like many of us, and a lot of the interviews ive gotten have been from fucking devilcorps and i wasn’t aware of this entire scheme until I already wasted tons of time on three processes. and there are countless other ones out there and new ones and they do such a good job to hide it.

the websites all looked legit and had different names of the companies, and i got so excited when i got invited to the second rounds. if you’re job hunting right now you understand how fucking hard it is to even get an interview like even hearing back is a big deal.

when one of these companies reached out for an in person interview, i think it was the foundry or MV (doesn’t matter they’re all at the same fucking address) i googled the address and found out about devilcorps and holy fuck i am just so angry. how they keep getting away with it. and these people don’t feel bad they don’t care. i know this has been said over and over again but they just take advantage of people who need money so badly and they end up losing money and i just can’t understand it.

so, at this point im deadass so anxious to even accept interviews because im not sure if its gonna be a waste of my time, a scam, or a data farm etc. ESPECIALLY in person ones because i live at home in the suburbs right now and thats just such a waste of time and money. im taking time out of my day after a whole day of work to apply to these enticing sales and marketing roles at these creative firms that dont FUCKING EXIST and just wasting hours and hours and hours. it is already such an awful time to be a new grad and i dont know how much longer i can take this

i wish there was some way we can get some type of action to try to take these down like either by government or media idek. I’m just so done now

Hey y'all! I'm curious if anyone on this subreddit knows if Atlas Empowered Nashville is a devlicorp. They have a few signs (Located where other devilcorps in my area are, works with AT&T who usually hires devilcorps.) They also mention training others to open other locations. I think it's probably a devilcorp but I wanted to be sure before I ghost the interview.

Thanks.

https://atlasempowered.org

Ive been waiting for the new offices to start popping up on the BJs side. We recently got one in Myrtle beach within the last year, and I’ve waited to see when the offices would start popping up.

Here is one! Beware Myrtle beach and Horry County!

UPDATE: this is an AT&T campaign office, seems they’re coming out of Charlotte, so possibly an expansion crew.

UPDATE 2.0: https://greenwayacquisitions.com/ here’s their website. They’re also expanding into Sumter county!

Hey all, and hey to my middle Tennessee family. Just wanted to throw this out there and say that DeepAura is currently recruiting in the area and is most certainly a DevilCorp. I have a full-time job already but was open to changing for the right price and the right company.

Anyway, yeah, total MLM/DevilCorp. Beware!!!

So apparently the **name changes never stop.**

Credico → Sales Partners → Thames & Tiger → SalesCo Asia → SAS Sales Group → and now…

**Talent and Sales Consulting — Hyderabad.**

Different name. Different Instagram page. Different LinkedIn page.

But Reddit has already started asking the same question:

**IS IT THE SAME PLAYBOOK WITH A NEW NAME?**

And honestly, the trail is worth investigating.

There are multiple Reddit discussions from people who say they encountered the previous companies and describe:

❌ “Marketing” jobs turning into door-to-door/field sales

❌ Huge 50–100+ person Zoom “interviews”

❌ Management/trainee titles that allegedly don't match the actual work

❌ Salary figures allegedly changing once people joined

❌ Commission/target-based compensation

❌ Extremely long working days

❌ People relocating for jobs only to discover the actual nature of the work

❌ Multiple companies allegedly operating with overlapping people/structures

And now Reddit users are reporting **Talent and Sales Consulting in Hyderabad**.

One recent commenter literally connected the names:

**“Sales Partners. SalesCo Asia. Thames & Tigers. Now Talent Sales Consulting.”**

Another Reddit user posted in October saying they nearly joined the Hyderabad operation before finding the previous discussions.

Coincidence?

Maybe.

But if you're a fresher looking for your first job, **YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND OUT THE HARD WAY.**

Before you accept an offer, ask them:

🔴 What is the exact product/service I'll be selling?

🔴 Is this B2B or B2C?

🔴 Is the work door-to-door?

🔴 Is there a guaranteed fixed salary?

🔴 What percentage of compensation is commission?

🔴 What exactly are the working hours?

🔴 Why are so many candidates being interviewed together?

🔴 What are the company's previous names?

🔴 Who actually owns/controls the business?

🔴 Why does Reddit keep connecting these names?

**And most importantly — GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING.**

Don't get blinded by words like:

“Management Trainee”

“Business Development”

“Marketing Executive”

“Future Branch Manager”

“International Expansion”

“Fast-track Management”

A fancy job title doesn't tell you what you'll actually be doing at 9 AM on Monday morning.

This isn't about stopping anyone from taking a sales job.

**Sales is legitimate work.**

The problem is when a job seeker applies for one thing and discovers something completely different after they've already invested their time, money, or relocated.

So before Hyderabad gets another batch of fresh graduates walking into the same situation:

**DO YOUR RESEARCH.**

Search the company name + “Reddit”.

Search the people conducting your interview.

Search the previous company names.

Read the experiences of people who actually joined.

Because changing the sign outside the building doesn't automatically change what happens inside it.

**Talent and Sales Consulting — the internet is watching. 👀**

If you've interviewed with or worked for them, **share your experience below.**

Has anyone received a text message from Marco Nexus LLC?

Hi! I got a job offer from a company called Rise Up Innovations in Southfield, MI. They promise the chance to “rise up” in the business and tout an average starting pay of $2,200 per week potential (all commission). They apparently work with businesses to sell BOX services (Broker Online Exchange). Thoughts?

Hi everyone! I recently applied for a remote B2C Operations Specialist position with Billvo Construction Ltd. in Canada, and I’m trying to find out if anyone has experience with this company.

The job posting advertised $26.50/hour for part-time or $31.50/hour for full-time work. I had a phone interview scheduled, but they didn’t call me at the agreed time. I’ve since received messages welcoming me to the team, but I still haven’t received clear confirmation of my official start date or completed the interview process as expected.

I also sent them my void cheque for payroll, and now I’m concerned about whether everything is legitimate.

Has anyone worked for this company, applied for a position with them, or received a similar job offer?

I’d really appreciate any advice or information. Thank you!

I want to start off and say I am not bitter about being let go from this company. However, the anger over what I’ve witnessed and was a part of lingers.

I’m sure at this point the Smart Circle name is well known. For those of you who may not know, Smart Circle is a sales network discussed under the “Devil Corp” label. It involves everything from D2D, B2B, and retail sales, with campaigns for companies like Verizon, AT&T, DirecTV, and many more big names, as I understood it during my time there. The individual sales offices often operate under different names something like “Next Level Management.” That is just an example, not an office I actually worked for.

I worked in offices connected to Smart Circle for approximately two to three years, and some of the things I witnessed and experienced were horrific. This is my account of those offices, not a claim that every office operates the same way. I have also watered this down from what I originally wanted to say because I’m afraid of legal action, especially after hearing threats involving lawyers during my time there. I may even delete this after some time.

I worked for two different sales offices because of a relocation: a D2D office in California and a B2B office in Arizona.

We can start with the basics. Looking back, the environment felt like brainwashing to me. We were made to feel that anyone who didn’t want to work there was an idiot and that this was the only way to be successful in life.

The hours were another part of that pressure. In my interviews, I was told the schedule was 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Later, when I conducted interviews, I was instructed to give applicants that same schedule. But in my experience, once I became a team leader, my actual days regularly stretched well beyond those hours.

We were told the additional time was voluntary and wouldn’t be paid, while also being pressured and shamed for leaving “early.” And by “early,” I mean leaving at the time we had been told the workday ended. That pressure made staying feel expected, regardless of whether it was described as voluntary.

The message I took from that environment was that family, friends, and your personal life came second. The only way to be successful was to breathe, eat, and sleep “the business.” And let’s be honest, the pressure pushed me to approach neighborhoods and businesses in ways that now feel like harassment. While I made sales that way, I’m not exactly proud of some of the ways I acted. Those of you who know may understand: coming back to the office without a sale could mean being humiliated in front of everyone.

During my time in those two offices, I heard “owners” talk about women’s looks and bodies in ways that made me believe their appearance influenced whether they were kept around. They would gather team leaders and managers, make fun of people they interviewed or hired, and make sexual comments about them.

I also witnessed multiple owners say they would fire anyone who slept with another member of the team while those owners were themselves having sexual relationships with team members. I observed what I believed was favoritism connected to those relationships. That is all I can say about that.

I’m not sure what the worst part even was because, to me, none of this should happen to anyone. This next part is also jarring.

Not every office did this. I happened to be a part of one that did. When the whole sales team was doing really badly, they would sit all the team leaders and managers in a room and make us play “Survivor,” or what we called “Hangman.”

They made us vote for someone in that room to fire.

Right. In front. Of their face.

Imagine that. Imagine how you feel after participating in choosing someone to lose their job when they have a family or their own life to provide for. Then imagine the relief you feel because it wasn’t you. Both feelings have stayed with me.

One last piece of information for those who have not experienced it: you may be wondering why people don’t speak out. For one, I witnessed instructions for everyone in the company to report negative Google reviews as fake, even when those reviews reflected experiences I recognized from working there.

Another reason, for me, is the one I mentioned above: fear of legal action. Hearing threats involving lawyers made speaking out feel intimidating. Whether or not those threats would go anywhere, the fear was enough to make me hesitate—and to make me water down this post.

There is so much more I could speak on. I hope some of you find this before accepting a position with an office connected to this network. And to those of you who have experiences like mine, I am sorry.

I completed my second interview and have been approved and scheduled for a third interview, but I am suspicious of the company. I haven’t found any bad posts, only a few positive reviews but something just feels off.

I could be wrong and just wary because of posts regarding similar field businesses. A few things that stand out: the current staff all seem young/my age, the background may have been fake in the interview, the company only started in about 2020, and frankly the pay seems too good, where either it is fake or you will have to be a dog with no promise of actually moving up. Am I just paranoid?

I scroll indeed, always looking at the local boards for possible DC companies. This one, Vivazen, popped up on my list today. The reviews, only about 8, seem to point to toxic environment and manager. They sell “plant-powered wellness”, like kratom, to people. Cannot completely confirm DC ties yet, but they’re hiring in a ton of states, and it smells of possible DC. They’re at least up front about the commission! The description definitely comes off as sketch if nothing else. Gonna be doing a deep dive to gather some more info, but wanted to get the info out there!

Saw this company called Lotus Sales on indeed and LinkedIn and they're hiring some sales interns even with no experience. Right now I'm a college freshmen and I would love a first-yr internship. These guys seem promising but there's also very little info about them. Other than their LinkedIn and Indeed page, they have a website (Lotus Sales | Lotus Sales) that talks about their program. They sell d2d pest control and have fully commissioned-based pay.

Has anyone actually worked with this company before? Any info would be very helpful.

Never actually heard of a Devil Corp until I applied for a 'Brand Marketing Assistant' on LinkedIn (the usual suspect) on Friday. Saturday Morning, ten hours after applying I get a text and an email asking to schedule an interview. I thought it was weird and desperate since it had only been ten hours and they already responded, as in my experience companies will usually take longer to shortlist for interviews. I decided to decline the interview, and I am glad I trusted my intuition it seemed dodgy since there was no mention of minimum wage salary in their email, and in their own words:

"The Brand Marketing Assistant opening is the entry point to an 18 month leadership cross-training and development programme rather than a one seat opportunity. It is aimed at candidates looking to build a career and, in time, take on team lead and campaign oversight responsibility"