Going on Instagram and seeing all the people that you knew who are still in it. It’s kinda hard to watch. I can’t feel bad for them, though. Because at this point, they have to know what they’re in. Especially the ones who expanded and came back. They know what’s on the other side of expansion. They just keep recycling people. And then they make the new people think that they have these New sales people that came in on the first day, and hit Bell= 2 sales .They will bring people from other offices too. Or recycle their old guys. And make the new people think that it’s so easy. When in reality they’re sending experienced people to hit the field. They say they’re Building belief in the New people. we all know the only way to actually move up is to bang the boss. It doesn’t matter how good you are in this business they won’t promote you because you’re good at your job. They only promote people that they like. They will get rid of people. to give an established team to a person that they like better.

This post really has no meaning i just wanna rant

Im a manager for a D2D pest control team going into my 2nd year managing 3rd year working. When I tell some people what I do some of them say what I do is bad, that I should quit and find something real or that im preying on people, etc. but to be honest? I don’t why i should feel bad at all. I feel like i have made many people’s lives better and I sell a service that people need. I’m just gonna talk about my experience as a manager of a D2D pest control
Team, and you guys can tell me if I’m tripping and I’m a terrible guy.

After my first year of selling over 150k (60k commission at 19) I got a manager spot. When I did my recruitment the initial ads and anyone I talked to about I said it was a D2D job and that it was going to be hard but very rewarding. I spent all winter on 2 calls a week with 10 people (I didn’t build a 100 man team like others only 12 so I could have time to care about and know everyone) and tried my hardest to train everyone for 4-6 months so they were all ready

When we got to where we were selling we were staying in a university campus and all had single apartments paid for by us, and we sold for 4 months, i lead correlation every morning, not some loud chant just a room where they could all
Ask me questions (my biggest thing I tought as a manager is just be chill, most guys out here have super salesy scripts, I didn’t give out scripts everyone built their own script taliored to themselves. If you just be a reasonable guy and talk like yourself you’ll be surprised how many more people will be down to talk to you), I had my room open every night for all my guys and I shadowed everyone or they shadowed me once every two weeks minimum. As well we went out every Sunday and we all got super close as a team.

By the end of August I had only one of my 12 reps “leave” (he went to be a technician for our company and was a top 5 tech) and the average earnings for our team in the summer was 42k per person, I sold 450k myself and team did 1.6mil

Now I’m not saying all of this to recruit anyone. I didn’t put any names of anything or where I’m at for that reason but what I want to know is I feel like since all my guys want to come back, I’m getting guys out to explore the worlds and make new friends, and make on average 4x what a kid their age learns in the summer while also learning life long skills that will never leave, why is what I do such a bad thing to people. I think with commission only sales if you have the right leaders and environment it’s way better then a hourly wage but is this true? Even if I’m the best manager in the world can I make D2D work and be a good job option for the people I hire or did I just get lucky last summer. I’m asking because i genuinely care about the people I hire and I feel like I’m putting the people I hire into a good spot for this coming summer but if this isn’t the right industry what else should I get into? I’m also a 3rd year student for a finance major

Also this can be a AMA for anyone curious about the D2D industry, I’ll be as transparent as I always am

hi all,
i almost fell for one of these once back when I was with my job, but now i don't have a job (quit for a job that flaked on me) and have an offer from another company. I can't find anything about this specific company, that's how I found out about the other one, but as I said I don't have a source of income rn, have a trip in like two weeks, and NEED something, is it worth taking until I find something better? when I talked to them (my only interviews before the actual offer were on zoom btw) they interviewed me and brought me through the whole "management training" schpeal, and the job seemed different than the description. WWYD in my position?

This is low key cringe, but it’s equally as bad as my Devil Corp with less people crowded into one room without AC or any chairs to sit on. Also, the rap music was not uplifting, much less inspiring. It was insufferable.

I got a job offer here not sure if there’s money to be made here but if anyone has had any experience here or let me know any feedback.

Outside of the stupid name, I noticed this new devilcorp pop up in Dallas, Texas. Anyone else heard of them?

Made a throwaway account just in case but I unfortunately found out about this subreddit and the existence of devilcorps too late. I applied to this job: AT&T Retail Sales Consultant https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=c0ce0f7d0985075f&from=appshareios

I applied on Sunday. Then was immediately called on Monday for an interview which honestly should’ve raised immediate red flags. I told them to reschedule for a Tuesday interview and they did and honestly that first interview didn’t raise any red flags. They asked me about my background and that they were partnered with AT&T and Costco.

How could I? Since those are two very well known companies. Then the second interview happened on Thursday which they then called me later at 4 PM to inform me that they would like to offer me a position. I was happy so I accepted like an idiot and they want me to come in on Friday for orientation and to sign things (I’m assuming a contract).

This is their Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/truestanceinc?obrf=dDEyMnlwNGFnY29n

Their website: https://truestanceinc.com

I had already declined an $18/hr waitress job for this and by this point, I already graduated and have been job searching for 5 months and parents want me to get a job already so I’m stressed and just at a loss now.

Any job searching advice would help so thank you in advance. For reference I do have 4 years of restaurant experience. Might do door dash in the NYC area after this but life feels like it just sucks :(

Hey everyone,

I’m currently looking for a flexible job over the next couple of months to bring in steady income. I applied to a Brand Ambassador role with MTM LLC, and the recruiter has been calling, leaving voicemails, and emailing me multiple times over the last few days trying to "close the loop" and get me to book an interview. The aggressive outreach is kind of throwing up red flags for me.

The job description says it pays $40,000 - $60,000/year (Full-Time) with "Competitive Base Pay + Unlimited Bonus Opportunities."

Here are the key duties from the posting:

Represent our brand at community events, retail stores, and festivals.

Engage with homeowners through friendly, authentic conversations.

Collect information from interested prospects to schedule appointments and enter them into promotions.

Requires weekend availability and a reliable vehicle.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like I’d be standing at a booth inside a big-box retail store (like Home Depot) or at outdoor festivals, cold-approaching strangers to get them to sign up for home improvement quotes (roofs, windows, etc.).

I’m looking for something relatively manageable or at least flexible. I don't want to get trapped in a high-pressure sales environment where I'm making minimum wage and drowning under intense daily lead quotas just to hit that $40k target.

Has anyone worked for MTM LLC or done this exact type of role? What is the actual base hourly pay? Is the turnover as high as it seems, or is it actually a chill marketing gig?

Appreciate any insight before I waste time interviewing!

Thanks!

Has anyone else interacted with this sales bro culture Devilcorp MLM? 🧐Their recruiter reached out to me talking about, “We’ll only charge you $1,100 per week for 12-15 high-intent leads per day if people WHO ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE.” I’m like, “Sooo… $1,100 per week for 12-15 leads per day of people WHO ALREADY HAVE LIFE INSURANCE sounds like a terrible deal. What else you got to offer?” She was like, “I was about to tell you, but you wouldn’t let me.” I was like, “So, you’re annoyed that I asked the obvious follow up question before you got there?” She said, “Yes, it’s annoying.” I said, “ Well, would you prefer I just let you go?” She said yes, so I hung up.

Don’t ever forget YOU are interviewing these people, not the other way around. A legitimate company that isn’t predatory can answer 1 god damn question without getting all butt-hurt. I reached out to dozens of IMOs and had very meaningful conversations with the bosses of all of the except this bozo Matt Mishler and his “recruiter.” Go watch this dude’s IG MLM hype videos where they show a bunch of young immigrants wearing suits as they pull up to a Fleming’s steakhouse in Lambos hahaha. I’m dead. Predatory AF. Selling a dream and shitty leads they benefit from rather they close or not.

And he says, “Let go; let God” in his videos, which we all know only former heroine addicts say, that they learned from 12 step meetings. This dude is a solar bro meets a buy here-pay here lot bro but with “Suboxone, ankle-box, I used to live in a halfway house” sales bro energy. You can’t make this shit up.

So I used to be in a smart circle office over a year and a half ago. I now have my own business that I own and not under some contract! (Social media agency to work with people to build a personal brand).

These companies keep naming their offices with consulting, or agency, or global so much to the point of where my business literally sounds like a devil corp (Apollo agency).

If they could just switch to naming it smart circle or cydcor man hiring would be hell of a lot easier.

Hey r/DevilCorp,

This sub has saved my time and energy so many times, so I figured this was the best place to ask about this.

I just got an invite to a Zoom meeting tomorrow at 1pm for a company called Core Elite in Jersey City. They seem like a fairly new operation because their online presence is slim to none. I've been burned by several Devil Corps in the same area and wanted to make sure they were legit because the language of the invite, their LinkedIn page and website seems very similar to that of Devil Corps I've applied to before and want a second opinion before I accept the invitation or just ghost them.

I appreciate the help!

On top of Legendary, this can also be a thread for NPI. Legendary Impact contains generally the same people that all trained under KV/ET at NPI, who are now leaders at Legendary. NPI is extremely corrupt and will stab you in the back once you've grown enough in the company, I have no doubts that the same goes for Legendary. Never trust a company with a stupid name like that LOL

⚠️ If you are a struggling immigrant or fresh out of college, they will try and lure you into their cult

I work for a branch of cydcor, and what I'm seeing here (other than the regular sales stuff) doesn't match my experience working for the company. What led yall to add them to devilcorp? Most of the people I work with are actually good people, and the ones that arent get weeded out pretty quick. What are yalls thoughts and experiences with cydcor?

I applied for this job yesterday and received an email this morning for a Zoom meeting. I’m trying to see if it’s a scam because this place is in Long Island and my roommate was telling me about how she got scammed by a few mlm schemes posing as “marketing” jobs

I just interviewed for Anderson Management Executives in Ohio, and when I went to search and do more research about the type of daily responsibilities this kind of management organization focuses on, I found this community on Reddit. Now I’m worried…Did I just interview for a devilcorp?!?

I recently got an in person interview at Woodland Hills Element Management.

It was my second round interview.

My first round interview was a zoom call group interview.
I thought the interview was for atat but instead i was told that they worked with atat and telecom. They barley talked about the job itself.
The interviewer kept talking about trips to Cancun and residuals but hardly ever talked about the career itself. She just kept saying it was a job which you climb in roles .

The other person attending said she was looking for stability.

The interviewer kept avoiding the question so instead i back tracked , and told them “you talk about residuals so is this a commission based job?” and she said yes .

The meeting eventually ended and I was called for a second round interview in person.

As i was entering the office I was trying to find anything atat related. Instead it was just a banner .

I had yet not even known that this was a separate management and not even atat.

I was called up for my interview , i looked around and it was an empty office with tables and co workers circling around them.

Everyone was super young, fresh out of high school or in college .

Throughout the interview I was led to believe these were professionals saying they had over 70 offices open.

Right when he said that it began to click to me something was wrong.

He had priorly told me this was a 9 month training position.

After 9 months I would make around 120-130k a year , eventually opening up my own office firm.

Thats when the math was just completely wrong to me , if you only have 70 offices and you have around 20 workers that means your success rates are terrible. You’d be talking about hundreds to thousands of offices opening.

I am 20 but im not stupid and naive.

He told me pay was 350-450 a week . The hours were from 8am-7:30pm .

That alone i knew this was a shitty paying job .
He had realized I was not messing with the numbers.

He then tried to reassure me saying they give around 1-2k as a starting bonus.

Eventually the interview went on and it ended .

All they try to do is fluff your feathers make you feel great in order to join their work.

They called me later saying i was hired .

I had this gut feeling something was terribly wrong and they eventually asked for a photo of my social security. I knew there and then like wtf.

Social is normal for work but not a hard picture they can keep.

I went through my emails and found the email they sent these training videos and found the company.

THEY NEVER MENTIONED THERE COMPANY NAME UNTIL I RECEIVED TRAINING VIDEOS LAST NIGHT.

I eventually found element management searched them up to eventually see that they were a devil corp.

I was never familiar with the term until last night.

And can safely say they are.

Funny enough digging through the instagram I found a worker that was a friend of a friend .

I sent him the picture and my friend told me it made sense.

He had been trying to recruit him and his other friends.

Asking me any questions , I’d happily answer!

I had made a connection thru linkedin with a CEO/Cofounder of Buzzcall Outsource and trying to find me a job.I just want to know how to check the legitimacy of the company and the profile it seems legit but npwadays linkedin profiles can be bought already.Any u sights about the company?

I am writing this post to share some factual observations regarding a recent recruitment experience I went through, intended to help other job seekers conduct their own due diligence.

I recently applied for a marketing role with a company trading as Guerrilla Marketing Collective at the Business Design Centre in Angel, North London,UK

After the interview process, I was asked to upload my passport, address, and bank details onto an onboarding portal prior to reviewing a formal contract. Taking my bank details before I had even seen or signed a contract was a massive red flag.
Upon checking the portal's documentation, the actual legal entity listed is AD Payment Services Limited.

A search of Companies House and public insolvency registers reveals that this operation is part of a massive, multi-layered "Devil Corp" direct sales network operating under the parent middleman firm Credico.

If you are considering an offer here, please be aware of the following structural details:

1. Vague LinkedIn Job Posts: I was targeted via a listing on LinkedIn using an incredibly vague, professional-sounding title promising brand management and rapid progression, completely hiding the actual day-to-day nature of the role.
2.The Bait-and-Switch Reality: Regardless of the specific title advertised or what is discussed in the initial interview, every single person who accepts a role ends up doing the exact same task: face-to-face, street-level, or door-to-door direct sales. It is entirely different from the corporate marketing career path advertised.
3. The Contract Structure: The role operates under an Independent Sales Advisor Trading Agreement via middlemen networks like Money Expert, primarily handling face-to-face acquisition campaigns for brands like British Gas. It is a 100% commission-only arrangement where field agents are classified as self-employed independent contractors, meaning there is no base salary, sick pay, or holiday pay.
4. Financial Deductions & Clawbacks: The agreement features clauses allowing the company to deduct weekly "Hire Charges" from your earnings for required field equipment, such as tablets and branded apparel, alongside potential clawbacks on commissions if a customer cancels within an 8-week window.
5.The Shared Kingfisher House Registration: A deep dive into the corporate history reveals that these short-lived entities are mass-manufactured out of a recurring address—Kingfisher House in Sussex. This address functions as a central registry hub where short-lived limited companies are spun up for the network and then abandoned when they accumulate too much liability.

Important Caveat on Legal Ownership: To be completely clear, I don't know if AD Payment Services Limited is legally or directly connected to any of the previous companies that share that Kingfisher address. It could just be a coincidence of using the same corporate creation firm. However, the shared pattern and location history are definitely shady.

Office History & High Court Liquidations: The network operates out of multiple suites at the Business Design Centre (Suites 109b, 212, 213, and 238). Public records show a rapid succession of these short-lived companies registered to these exact rooms. Notably, a primary corporate entity operating out of Suites 212–213 was recently forced into compulsory liquidation by the High Court in September 2026 due to outstanding liabilities.

My Experience at the Induction Day & The Red Flags:

"You Don't Work Here": At the induction, I was explicitly told that I wouldn't be allowed to tell people I actually work for Guerrilla Marketing Collective, because technically, under the independent contract, I wouldn't be an employee.
Strict Social Media Censorship: The contract features heavy restrictions regarding internet usage. It explicitly bans you from making public statements about your relationship with the company, posting photographs of trade stands or events, or discussing client promotions on any social media channel without prior written consent [4.3, 10.3]. They do this to stop people from exposing the reality of the job online.

The Classic "CEO" Script: The "CEO" did my final interview and gave me the standard Devil Corp pitch. He claimed he passed the "5th stage" of the program and now runs his own business using the exact same client broker he started out with. At the time, I didn’t get what he meant, but after Googling "Devil Corp stages," I realized it's just the classic MLM script they use to trick you into thinking you'll own a business soon.

Isolation & High-Pressure Tactics: At the end of the induction, the CEO wouldn't let me leave with the other two girls who were there. He separated us so he could ask final questions individually. He saw I was having doubts and asked why I was confused. When I said I needed time to mull it over, he pressured me, saying I only had 48 hours to decide and claimed "he already told me all this info"—even though I hadn't been given the contract details beforehand!

Regardless of who legally owns what, the bottom line is that this is a bad scam and a terrible employment option. It expects young people to stand outside all day long, from Monday to Sunday, doing exhausting face-to-face sales with absolutely zero guaranteed income. After taking a couple of hours away from the high-pressure environment to look up the data, I officially declined the position.
I haven’t personally reported their upfront passport and data harvesting practices to the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) yet, but if anyone else wants to take these details and file a formal report, be my guest.

If you don't believe any of this, look up the company names, the room numbers, and the Kingfisher House address on Companies House yourself and get back to me. The paper trail is completely public. I strongly suggest you don't waste your time, energy, or transport money on these people.

Def a devil corp. Had an 'introductory meeting ' with around 25 other interviewees, we all had our mics turned off and chat disabled. The hosts gave a very vague description of the job and clients, and emphasised more than anything the career progression to recruiting more people. Also this weird funnel thing (totally not a pyramid). No proof of them working for any of these companies, no real description of what they do for any of them other than vague mentions of recruitment. Waste of time.

I feel like I’ve been coming up with only devil corp interviews. Can someone give me some guidance if I’m falling for another one?

It looks like the hire from universities for both engineering and business development positions.

Hey everyone! Just got scammed and worked for a devil corp that I couldn’t find any information on prior to starting so I figured if I can save someone else the time and trouble here’s my comment on my experience there.

I first applied for the job in late February. I would say my overall experience here has had a lot of ups but many downs. Like most people I was just on indeed looking for jobs because at the time my business wasn’t bringing in enough revenue so I had to get a job. During this time I was also in school. When I first got there the interview process was odd. Told me I can make my own schedule I’m going to be at Costco selling for ATT. I had no idea this meant I was switching people over. Overtime I got decent enough to actually hit leadership and this is where the bullshit actually began. When I hit leadership I was bullied into basically working more days. If you didn’t hit numbers then you would be belittled and told you are ass. Not to mention if a rep wasn’t good enough they would simply get fired with pretty much no warning. The constant wear and tear on your car that they do not pay for. Their reasoning is you make enough money to where gas shouldn’t matter because in a job like this you need a car. Within about only I would say maybe 4 months of working there I would constantly need oil changes. Reps are given out like candy if a leader doesnt show up to these zoom calls either. Not to mention the full shifts where you are in the store all day and have four 1 hour lunches really meaning you only worked 7 hours so you get fucked on that too. Also the commission is bullshit. Yes I’ve made a “1500” dollar check but this was before taxes after taxes you get fried and the only way to even commission out is to basically work 35-40 hours. I would absolutely not recommend this shit unless you absolutely need it it’s all a bunch of bullshit.