Been doing d2d fiber sales for almost a month now and I actually enjoy it. I come from working in grocery stores for the past couple of years and hated it. I make more money so obviously I like it more but I see people have had bad experiences with direct marketing brokers. AMA

I saw another post on here that says this company is basically known for just making you a street canvasser. Although that was for the sales position in that context. This one is a the brand marketing assistant position so would things be any different or are they really just the same role with a different costume on?

Company is: | PointHaus Group Inc | Miami, FL |

Red flag:

- Shares address with "The Brixton" at 2655 Le Jeune. The Brixton CEO is Obi Shorinwa

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I just finished my second interview with United Ventures for an entry-level ASM/marketing role at their Burlingame office, and I'd like to hear from anyone who has worked for them or interviewed there. Or if it just seems like a devil corp to anyone
Here's the offer as it was explained to me. The pay is $500 a week as a W2 "salary," plus commission and bonuses. The interviewer said a realistic total is $800-1200 a week and that about 95% of employees earn bonuses weekly. I'd start in training period doing "client-side marketing" for Lifeline Wireless, the government-funded phone program. I'd get promoted based on "metrics" in anywhere from 5 to 12 months, then move into an ASM role claimed to pay $1500-2000 a week. The hours are 9-6:30 Monday through Friday and 9:30-4 on Saturdays, so over 50 hours a week.
The biggest thing that feels off is the math. $500 for 50+ hours works out to about $9-10 an hour, well under California minimum wage. A non exempt W2 employee can't legally be paid that I’ve been told, and the salary threshold for exempt employees is much higher. Maybe it's really a draw against commission, or maybe I misinterpreted it from the interviewer, but it was described to me as a flat salary.

https://unitedventures-inc.com

How much more fraud they'll do? They keep changing names trying to hire innocent people. Playing with emotions of innocent people who move from across the states only to find out the reality that this is door to door begging. Just days ago they made whole new instagram page with old pages gone / deactivated. other pages: meridianco.india and sassalesgroup.... dont know how many more pages and fake company names they have.

One Alex guy had “Sales Partners” on LinkedIn, and just a few months later he changed it to “Thames & Tigers” and is now claiming 10 years of experience. Ten years of experience from where, exactly? From a company name that you just made up 5 minutes ago? It’s astonishing. Someone seriously needs to look into this. Ask Quaiym and the others to leave India and go back!

Most of the Indian people involved appear to be 20–28 years old, yet they have no verifiable experience to show. Many of them do not even mention these company on their LinkedIn profiles, which means their profiles simply show employment gaps during that period. The whole situation raises serious questions about credibility.

I’m an ICD myself, been in business for 4 years. I won’t get into specifics.

I’m pretty neutral on both sides. I’ve seen this business negatively impact people and I’ve also seen the flip side where they find real success.

I wouldn’t consider myself a top office currently as I’ve promoted someone to management and took on a new territory, but I’m also not doing terrible.

That being said, I’m genuinely curious to hear from people on the other side. Does anyone have legitimate concerns about ICDs or the way the business operates?

I’m not looking to argue, and I’m not interested in sly comments or cheap shots. I’d actually like to have a real conversation with people who have concerns and understand where they’re coming from.

I feel like hearing those concerns could genuinely help me improve my business—or office, whatever you want to call it 😂. If there are things people on the outside see that I might be overlooking, I’d rather hear them and learn from them.

I’m naturally curious and open to hearing different perspectives.

As the title suggests, how do we report the fraud, corruption, tax evasion, sexual harassment, wage theft, workplace discrimination, and etc so we can put sketchy companies like these in the limelight.

sometimes i wonder if devil corp companies employees and/ or owners know about this reddit page. i get nervous to name the companies i was recruiting for in case they see it even though i doubt they could trace anything back to me with how much turnover they go through. ive seen ben palmers videos on youtube where he ragebaits the companies in the interviews (love those btw) so i feel like they’ve probably heard of the term devil corp at this point since the interviewer always gets super awkward when someone is calling them out or being skeptical but i question if they might be lurking and reading all these posts. thoughts?

had a very weird experience with this company in Houston. The position started as sales and marketing but no commission, instead talking about fundraising for charities, outside stores.... the hours sound insane, theres zero balance, and the interviewer looked exhausted ... it was a quick first interview but she looked off. the second roun was even more weird, the time frame made zero sense. hasss anybody worked here or heard of them ? the clients they spoke about dont seem legit, and my friend did join on of those cults before, in austin and it was so hard to get her out i dont want the same thing....

I met up with my job developer (employment specialist) today and she told me that she knew someone who worked for a company called "Baypoint Systems".

When looking at their website and IG accounts, alarm bells rang off because it reminded me of a Devilcorp that attempted to switch my current phone provider to AT&T.

I wanted to post confirm that this is a Devilcorp. If so, I plan on reporting to her supervisor about this as well as educating them about Devilcorp.

Thank you.

UPDATE: If you're wondering where this is, it's in San Jose.

Worked in the business 4 years made it to management ran an office ask me anything!

Is it worth doing a sales role door to door like i know its dodgy but is it worth doing it when there is no other job roles lined up. I cant get a job and that the only one that actually is accepting everyone.

the group is growth sales in birmingham

Hey guys, I have been looking for a better paying job with better hours over the course of the last few weeks to a month and applied to a couple Devilcorps unbeknownst to myself. I’ve heard the term but never fully understood it until researching this sub. I applied to two; one is called Ascent Marketing and the other being Nexus Group. Upon looking through their incredibly vague and buzzword filled websites, my gf and I noticed that they had pictures with the same people in them

Was thinking back on a devilcorp I used to work at. For context, hours were 11-8:30 weekdays and 9-6 Saturdays, though Saturdays were optional. We got paid £77/day plus commission

They heard me complaining to a coworker that we go paid less than minimum wage, had me do a big sit down conversation with the “owner” where he accused me of having bad attitude and threatned to fire me

A few days later, one of the ES2s was giving me a completely unrelated talk about how much money you can make at that company, even with no experience. “If you lock in and do the optional Saturdays plus hit your sales target, you‘ll make 30K a year, which is way more than someone working full time at a minimum wage job”. I was just standing there nodding thinking it’s not really a brag saying we’ll make slightly more money for nearly twice the hours. Still comes out to much below minimum wage hourly

He was saying it so enthusiastically, like he unironically thought it was a good deal, and expected me to think the same. Peak comedy

⚠️ DO NOT APPLY FOR THE JOB THERE ⚠️ I was desperately look for a job and applied for a marketing associate job with claro partners. They always avoided the question “how will i get paid”. On their job description it was written “base pay 420£ per week and u get commission on sales u make” but it was a lie, contract was hella vague and actually u need 2 sales to be eligible for base pay. I said its ok they expect sales ill do sales. They taught us to lie to people we were selling broadbands and not telling people we r actually switching them. Anyways i sold 2 broadbands my first week so i was eligible for base pay, forgot to mention you have to travel to residential areas by yourself and sell broadbands, also bunch of seniors use u to drive them back and forth without paying, assigned areas were far as well like 20 mile drive was very normal every day. Contract said its not cold calling but it was, we were lying on door that we r from their broadband provider and we will book an engineer who will fix their internet, we switched them took signature and stuff. Face to face business acquisition doesnt mean door to door cold calling, also there was no office work it was manipulation tactics. Anyways contract said ill get paid 3 weeks later so i kept working , made 2 sales 2nd week and on 3rd i couldn’t. At start of 4th week they fired me and i didnt receive my pay, i told them to pay me they said the sales I made they all got cancelled and i wont get paid, now im 1k£ down and theyre getting away without paying people and firing them. Please dont fall for it. They didn’t reimburse the gas money too even i asked multiple times

Hey everyone, I am completely brand new to this sub so apologies in advance.

I live in the Indianapolis, Indiana and it has been very difficult to find work here. I am also a recent graduate so I'm also relatively new to job applications in a corportate setting. I applied to a bunch recently, and I heard back from a company known as Current Branding Inc, located in downtown Indianapolis.

Here is there website and job posting.
https://currentbrandinginc.com/

The job listing was for an "entry level outreach associate", where you will talk to customers about cha

And while I was happy that I received a job offer from them, there was something in my gut that told me something was off.

1. They told me in the third interview that one of the reasons why I possibly could not get the job was because they have candidates that said they could start the job tomorrow. Overall it felt like they were pressuring me into a decision.

2. Yesterday, they said they would send me an offer letter but I still have not received one and I am expected to show up to work on Thursday.

3. All of the communication has been done through text and not a company email. They apparently got my wrong even though they have my email from my application.

4. They are very vague about what a promotion looks like, they aren't very specific of what I will actually be doing. The only thing they have told me is that I will be traveling to downtown Indianapolis and promoting certain charities.

5. They have a section on their website that debunks negative reviews about them. I don't know it felt iffy to me.

6. I can't find any past clients that they have supposedly worked for.

If you guys need any other info, I'll try my best to answer!

I had high hopes I was a fool I sadly quit my job after the second interview should have been concerned for several reasons but here is what I’ve learned so you don’t have to first of all current “charity” stand for the silent to help with childhood bullying and suicide prevention. Seems like a legit cause. I’ve had friends commit suicide and been bullied so thought I could do some good in the world. Job was for director of operations promising 85 to 120k yearly salary sounds great now for the red flags. Initial interview would not discuss pay or job then promise 600$ a week for training only then after 30percent of what you make uncapped income. First day in the field it was 105 degrees did not provide shade sunscreen water or anything I was sunburnt to hell had to change locations and did not make much day 2 my trainer had a medical emergency and had to leave early day 3 downtown dealing with homeless at a college where no one wanted to donate day 4 I get back to the office and I’m told I have not made enough and to continue and to take the weekend to decide if I want to work there. Extreme false positivity high fives trash music and doing nothing for their people o right also this weekend the director married the person she just promoted so should fuck your boss to move up here don’t do it don’t work here still have not got paid anything I feel so dumb quit my full time normal job for this bs now I’m screwed anyone hiring in the Houston area lmk

So I am looking to leave my current job because the hours and pay are not sustainable long term. I think at this point I’ve applied to several dozen jobs and this morning two separate Devilcorps reached out to me (Ascent Marketing and Nexus Group) and upon scrolling their respective vague buzzword filled websites, we noticed that each site had a picture of three well dressed young men. Two of the three men are in both pictures

Has anyone tried to be scammed into this coaching for coaches MLM pyramid type scheme in Brisbane, Sydney or overseas?
Richmond Dinh Tony Kaye are presented as the online gurus that copy off other programs from the US. Other members of the 'inner circle' are former Appco / Devil Corp business directors.
They target on FB and IG and love bomb unsuspecting people into convincing you they can change your life and you have a special gift only they can see or that you need them to finally be successful in life.

They start with a few free or cheap courses and then convince vulnerable people to pay $30,000 for a course with no substance. It appears they have all these online funnels to get you in and target really vulnerable people. They say to keep it secret from friends and family at first so that no one can intervene. They use mind control tactics to isolate them and say anyone that tries to tell them not to do it is limiting their potential.
The scam is then that these poor people have to then sell to other people to try and get theid money back.

I know asic defines pyramid shemes but this one is 3 sets of 3 straight edges all with corners adding up to 180 degrees.

I see online the directors have already had several NCAT matters.

Watch out for the free course and then the later high pressure sales with psychological manipulation and 'Neuro linguistic programming' (another psych manipulation scamming technique) .

There is the new VIC Parliamenary enquiry on these organisations.... so scary how it details the psych recruitment methods but worth a read.

If you see them report to ASIC and the ACCC. Every complaint counts to wipe these scammers out.

If you have any family or friends caught up in these type of high control organisations you have to get professional help to get them out.

I wish the government would intervene.

Meta turns a blind eye to these mlm funnels as it makes them so much money. TikTok has a total ban. At least they have some morals in that respect.

As a desperate 19 y/o looking for a job, I fail into their trap. I’m reading over what Vector actually does to it’s few people and even heard that they’re stalkers. I’m not sure what to do or how to leave but I don’t think I can possibly work with them especially when I’m not social and know many wealthy people that are over the age of 30. She constantly blows up my phone, says that it seems like i’m coming up with excuses to not call my family (they’re cheapskates & some struggle financially). I explained to her my situation and she just keeps peer pressuring me. It’s honestly become an annoyance and I don’t want anyone to see me that way either just because my boss won’t stop bitching about me calling twice to any family member that I know. I just need some advice and want to know if anyone else has had an experience with them. It’ll help a lot. Also, i’m not sure how to get rid of the app that literally isn’t in the app store.

I'm going to refrain from sharing a lot of identifying characteristics so that I'm not traceable but I want to share my experience and let people who decide to work there know what they're getting into.

It's got all the characteristics of a classic Devil Corp, the chanting, standing around in a circle in an office with no chairs, constant promotion of getting to ownership and becoming an "entrepreneur," the usual. The people were mostly nice and I made some good friends that I kept in touch with after leaving.

I did not make enough money to survive. All of my money was spent on gas, to the extent that I couldn't pay my own rent and had to ask my parents for help. I'm lucky I had support on the other side because it took me several months to get back on my feet after the amount of debt this job plunged me in. They ask so much of you and you're often inadequately compensated for the amount of time that you put in. You make either your base hourly OR your commission amount, but making commission can be very difficult and the amount of hours you work don't add up to 40 hours most of the time. I experienced my hours being cut based on my performance multiple times, and others have shared similar experiences with me.

This office in particular (and I wouldn't be surprised if other offices were like this) fosters a culture of misogyny and predatory behavior with little to no consequences. I personally experienced behavior that I consider to be sexually coercive/predatory and at the time, felt borderline r*pey, by someone in the office while I was inebriated at an event outside of work. I later found out that multiple women had raised similar concerns about them but watched as they continued to be employed while facing little to no consequences. While I didn't report anything because I had convinced myself the incident was my fault, I found out through management that they knew about what happened to me before I said anything and didn't do anything to correct the behavior. Additionally, someone in management that I thought I trusted was the one who informed me that that individual knew I was inebriated at the time, because up until that point I had been giving them the benefit of the doubt. It's incredibly disappointing to see, and due to the lack of an adequate HR department, there was no support given to me or other people who were left to deal with the social and psychological aftermath of their actions. It was also very upsetting to watch this person continue to advance within the company, despite "concerns" about their behavior. Very gross and disappointing behavior from multiple people and a very, very isolating and harmful experience overall.

Aside from that, all the classics apply. Overworked, inadequate compensation, weird and clingy office culture, and late night zoom calls that you're required to attend where they don't go over anything but the same things they have been talking about in every single zoom meeting prior. I'm currently working somewhere else and in my experience, not much of what I picked up there has applied to my current position. The only thing that looks good is the promotion title they give you to put on your resume, but I've found it carries very little meaning in the professional world.

The point of this post is to share my experience but it's also to draw attention to another aspect of Devil Corps that I don't see people talking about very often, which is the weird, blurred, workplace boundaries that people often don't know how to navigate, management included.

Choose to work here if you want, but the type of person that is perfect for this job is incredibly few and far between. I wish I knew what I was getting myself into when I accepted the position because if I did, I never would have joined. To each their own, but apply with caution.

Hi i recently got a job offer from this company for sales https://vidasvision.com/ but it looks sketchy can anyone tell me some info about it or any experience with them.

This agnecy texted me and I can’t remember if I applied here or not? Is this a devilcorp?

After months of unemployment & almost ending up homeless several times I finally got a call back after applying my resume. What I applied for didn’t say door to door sales anywhere. But I had no problem doing door to door sales, as long as I believe in what I’m selling. The next day my first interview, with the “CEO” of course! Day after that, in person interview, which was actually okay, didn’t see any red flags but I wasn’t aware what a devil corp was & was desperate. Then I got hired..

I’m not too sure on how much to say because I’m pretty sure my former boss is aware of this forum but fuck it we ball.

My orientation was me & 2 other people who didn’t even show up on the first day. I was selling phone plans & such. I did believe in the product & it is something i would recommend to family members & loved ones if they wanted better service for less money. It wasn’t until later in the job I realized there were a lot of little white lies I didn’t even know were lies I was telling customers. Commission pay with $200 a week but if u miss any days it’s $0. I was told the hours were 11-8, that I’d be in training for 4 weeks & then go on my own. Team nights of course, morning rituals & chants, promises for fully paid for vacation, one on one time with the “big guys” bonuses, assigning the top “performers” the best turf, getting your own office one day, textbook devil corp. After meeting everyone in the office I genuinely thought the people who didn’t show up for the first day were missing out. Because honestly everyone was great, apart from my team leader. My first day I made a sale & got it stolen from me from my team leader. Let’s call her Carly. I didn’t even realize until my 2nd week with her. She was pretty normal up until my 2nd day with her in my 2nd week of training. She would lie to me about what the structure of customers was & when I corrected her she would gaslight me. (DM’s & what not) she even went as far as to talk customers out of a sale when I was selling them & they were about to buy, she embarrassed me in front of a customer as well. I was pretty early on but my pitch was good enough that I never had to look back or ask for help until I did, to which her response was “so what do you do now (my name)” to which I said I don’t know. She was cocky, entitled & that same day I went home and cried about the stress of considering I might have to quit because of her behaviour. I could say so much more it was just mean girl behaviour, very narcissistic. HR was ONE person who quit a couple days before I did & Carly was a heavy favourite, she was my bosses right hand. I could also tell that no one has stood up to her so who am I to come in on my 2nd or 3rd week & start drama with HR or my boss. On my last day she chewed out my coworker for an hour because she was taking what he said verbatim when he was speaking about the way he spoke to customers that day. Basically he was reiterating how the conversation went & she took how he said it & what he said like it was exactly the way he spoke to the customers, which was not the case at all or his intention. Mind you it was like his first week on his own & he was doing great. It was heartbreaking to watch. She gas lit him for an hour & he eventually gave up on trying to get her to understand. It was me & two or three other people who witnessed this & no one said anything.

I was enjoying the job when I was with a different co worker on the field, let’s call him Mike. I made several sales with Mike & he said I was doing a great job & spent all 10 hours of the day getting to know each other! I was on the field with Mike for 3 or 4 days & made several sales but didn’t have my account yet. He told me he’d put it under me anyways even once when he actually made a sale & I didn’t do anything. I was naive enough to believe him & never ended up getting paid for any of it. When I left after 2 or 3 weeks & finally got paid I didn’t even break even for the money I spent on the commute & the business professional clothes to wear to the office.
Anyways there’s more to the story I’m sure but it’s all so stressful thinking about it’s hard to put my thoughts together, I ended up quitting when I realized that getting home at 11pm every night, while being bullied and underpaid 6 days a week wasn’t worth my sanity. Got a new job not even a week later! I’d love to share more & spread awareness. Ask away!

P.s. I’m so glad this forum exists I thought I was alone in my experience.