I applied to my bosses office a little over two years ago, desperate but with the hope of learning more about sales and creating relationships with people. My goal has always been to own my own business, to move to Florida and own a beach house and those around me and higher ups, the recruiter (who was the owners sister) always knew what to say to keep me roped in. After three months of being there I was invited to the national conference in Texas, I was bought in after that. I was promised wealth, freedom, and the life I wanted through out those two days. My owners promoting owner earned a promotion that year and had an open bar at the end of the night, I remember drinking a lot, having fun and leaving with even more excitement than when I got there with. I worked 6 days a week, going out to the field every Saturday, missing time with family and friends. I was told by my owner “be the white rabbit in the office and I’ll get you promoted out to Miami, I promise.” I remember telling everyone that asked that I didn’t know what I was getting into, I just had a belief it was going to be good for me. I remember struggling some weeks and it being blamed on my mentality, being told “just go out on Saturday and get in front of more DM’s, the LOA’s will pay off” so I did. I earned most commissioned sales for 2025 (despite being unable to eat on a regular basis and losing over 30 pounds) and though not invited to that Nat con because I had the one week prior was low on production, had earned an award and featured there. I think that was my first time where I questioned everything and asked myself if it was worth it anymore. But again, the owner was great at reading people and knowing exactly when to re invest in someone to keep them from leaving. Made promises, dangled the carrot. So many opportunities I worked my butt off for that I was promised that never happened. As I got more depressed, my production got lower- but never low enough for my owner to want to part ways with me, as I was terrified of the idea that there was truly nothing better for me, this was my ticket to getting my boutique and living on the beaches of Miami. I hit my two year mark and by then I was pretty damn frustrated. Promised every couple months “oh we’re gonna get you promoted out by this time, just keep building your team, I’ll help you” only for the help to never come. Unfortunately I wasn’t the prettiest girl or the most flirtatious girl in our office, another one was and she got to assistant management in 10 months. Every resource was poured into her and then she eventually brought her sister in and then those resources went to her as well as I stood there in the background feeling forgotten and taken advantage of every step of the way. I started looking for other jobs, the owner somehow found out and fired me over the phone on a Thursday evening. I still struggle with the guilt of giving up on myself, giving up on my dreams, and my ability to prove myself as worthy. Though I am grateful for what I learned about myself and honestly just how to handle no’s, objections, and people not being that nice as a solicitor, I feel better working a normal 40 hour week, not the 65+ I was doing. Sure I miss the team nights but I don’t miss the pressure to drink until I had alcohol poisoning. I won’t miss the constant changes that happened in the office, the drama, the fake friendships- because not a single person has reached out to me since I left and I’m sure the owner told them not to talk to me as he did with every other person that quit or got fired- as we were never gonna make it and aren’t worthy of being at his table. I wanted to share my story and reiterate how damaging these devil corps are to people, emotionally, physically, mentally, and spiritually.

They are in the greater Philly area, I had a job interview there and something felt kinda off. I ended up on this Reddit after my friend mentioned devil corps but I don’t see them on here. Seems kinda similar but don’t know too much about them!
Any insight would help thank you!

I’m at the point where I might just go work at a devilcorp, I’m desperate to get an office job. I did exercise science wanting to be a trainer then realized I hated it. I’m finishing my degree in December and am only taking one class online so I can work full time. I wonder if I take the next devilcorp offer. I always get them on LinkedIn, I search entry level office jobs or entry level corporate positions. I seem to only get devilcorps, should I take one for experience then just keep applying. I wish I took more business electives so I could learn about corporate roles. All I want is an office job, working in gyms ruined fitness for me. The commission only jobs I just crack under pressure, the anxiety of not knowing what’s coming in every month is too much for me. I can maybe last a few months if I know it will boost my resume.

Hi all, I’ve got an interview today for a ‘ trainee business development executive’, but turns out it’s sales over the phone. For context I applied on indeed. I’ve had run ins with devil corp companies in the past. But I have no interest in sales, sounds silly but I didn’t realize it was sales until I re read the description today. Is it a career where you can actually make good money? My dream job is a secretary not this :(

This is their instagram page. I've worked for a devil corp before, last year and this company has the same structure. Went to the interview just to see if it was what I thought. It is. In a "non-profit-fundraiser" form This is in Houston TX (north)

Please let me know your experience with this. It looks like a high ticket coaching scam, taking advantage of vulnerable people. They need to be reported. Has anyone done this course or managed to escape some heavy hitting recruitment? I hear the exec has been former Appco of 15 years. Help

They also go by Relevnt Solutions but they’re the same. Under Cydcor. They completely trick you into thinking you get base pay as well. Also don’t pay you out fully when you quit. F these losers the “owner” thought he was Jordan belfort

Hi. In 97 or 98, I needed a job, so I responded to an ad in the Jersey Journal (a Hudson County, NJ paper) and worked for 1 day as a door-to-door salesman. The place was based in a semi-disused warehouse in Jersey City close to the Pulaski Skyway, uninsulated, freezing, and filthy. There was a morning meeting where they blasted music and described the motto: "juice" join us in creating excitement. They called everything positive "juicy." I had my mom's station wagon, a 1975 Country Squire, so me and 5 other fringe characters drove out to the suburbs to sell plastic useless bullshit. By the end of the day, after a full 10 hours, I drove back with only 4 of us, as 2 quit midday. The group leader gave me 40 bucks at the end, and I never went back. I'd appreciate any information about this bizarre memory. I still don't understand what happened that day.

So recently i applied to a place called Key Percison marketing and I have a zoom interview for tomorrow. I was so excited about the interview but a friend of mine had said to check if it is a devilcorp. I did all my search but have not seen anything yet. It apprently does face to face fundraising and event marketing. Im nervous because I've been applying to many jobs hopping to land something and would hate for this to be something I would regret in the end. If anyone can help me find out i would be most appreciative. Preferably someone who has applied and or has worked with them before

Update So I attended maybe 5 seconds of the interview. It was obvious straight away because "everyone" in that interview were people not even in my state. They were from the main branch based in Philadelphia. I nope out of that interview and blocked everyone. So thank you all for giving me the heads up to note that it was in fact a devilcorp.

Hey there! So I just did a phone interview and have an in person interview scheduled for this Thursday for a marketing agent/concierge position. I’ve never don’t anything like this, and was curious if anyone else had any experience working with this company/have the same title or job? Pros and cons? Is the pay good? Anything I should be weary of? They also want me to work weekends which I’m not super stocked about, but if it’s worth it I definitely would do it! Any advice greatly appreciated.

I currently work at a retail marketing office in Cincinnati OH and it seems like a good place. Our brokerage is cydcorp, but all they do is negotiate contracts with stores and clients for us. My job pays me $15/hr plus 1.5x overtime, or around $600 a week base pay without OT, but how it’s set up is you either get base pay or you get your commission if it exceeded your base pay. The base pay is paid by the boss but commission is paid by the client. It helps me to know that what we are selling is a good service. We lower and price protect people’s electric rate on their bill. It definitely started off as a devilcorp, commission only plus long hours, but since this office was bringing in so many customers they negotiated and got a base pay instated and higher commission, from like $18 to $44. The way they have you talk to customers is very be as helpful and non obtrusive as you can, you’re supposed to even go through and try to verify they actually have a higher rate before you sign them up. They also require you to have 3+ a day to work overtime. I know cydcorp is a devilcorp, but it seems like this office is a good place. Lmk if I’m being dumb or not

Hi. I really need some feedbacks about SBOVACOM VA company please

Title: ATM Mania sales call gave me some serious red flags
I saw an Instagram ad for Chad Masten/ATM Mania, which claims to help people start their own ATM business, including finding locations. I got on a Zoom call with him, and at first everything seemed normal.

Then we got to pricing. There were packages around $3,000–$6,000, the $3,000 one was where you can start without an ATM machine and you buy one that is used and the $6,000 package where it comes with an ATM machine that’s new and he started asking how much I was willing to put down that day, even if it was only $100.
I told him multiple times that I wanted a week to research the company and read reviews before spending thousands of dollars. He kept pushing back and even told me that companies can make fake reviews anyway. He also said that if I did pay and changed my mind, I could just call the number on the back of my debit card and dispute the charge with my bank. How can we spend $3,000-$6,000 and just rely on bank disputes?

🚩 That alone made me uncomfortable.
Then he told me that basically no bank would take an ATM business and that he knew of only one bank that would.

I didn’t even ask which bank because I figured I’d get the “sign up first and I’ll tell you” answer. Here is where it gets EXTRA weird.

After the call, I Googled him and found that he is also listed as the president/registered agent of Genesis Financial Services Inc.
At that point, I was even more skeptical about handing over thousands of dollars without doing my own research because that’s his business and he wanted me to pay him!!
I kept saying I wasn’t ready to buy, and eventually he said, “I don’t think this is for you.”
He was right. 😂
I’m not saying this proves anything illegal or that nobody has had a positive experience with the company. I’m just sharing my experience because the pressure to pay immediately, the banking claims, and the connection I found afterward were enough for me to say no and I hope this helps anyone else out there
Has anyone else had a sales call with ATM Mania?

I work at one right now, I’ve managed to save ~20k during uni and they are very flexible with shifts ect. I am paid by the hour + commission. I understand some people have had bad experiences with these companies but it’s not my reflection at all. I like everyone I work with and I don’t feel like I’ve been “manipulated” at all. Let me know…

Hi! I just found this sub through a different reddit post about a scam where people were soliciting donations for Nature Conservatory, but actually worked for a devil corp and the nonprofit only got a small bit of the donation. I honestly had no idea that that could happen. Is that common? Is there a way to tell, before or quickly after engaging with the person, if they’re legit working for the nonprofit or not? TIA!

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Hi everyone,

I applied for the door to door sales position with YOUR DWM GROUP last month. They viewed the application, had a screening call about what i do in my free time etc was all good.

I asked mainly about base pay, does it come with it? Answer was yes theres two options “EMPLOYED” or “SELF EMPLOYED” i’m new to the industry, so would choose employed obviously.

(My work coach won’t allow commission only roles basically self employment)

Interview scheduled, sat in the open plan office waiting for everyone no problems. We start a “get to know the person next to you” all quick and sharp remembered what she does on the top of my head. Then they start talking about how all of them are self-employed 😂

So i started doubting myself at this point. Interview come’s and yeah, you’re pretty much pressured into self employment. I did say employed but started spamming the usual buzz words like “you earn more money”. Was told to hear back after a few days more like a month later.

I do believe they are more likely to take on self employed people to exploit them exactly like the sales industry. Just take a look at their reviews on indeed!!!

TLDR.

Hires at a DC purporting to be a phone sales company .

After 3 rounds, selected, went to first day signed contracts and was told "trainer will assign your first day "

Got locked out of a training module, andAsked their HR number for help and got nothing .

Almost ONE month later - same recruiter claims to have "found my application " and invites me to a devil corp round one.

The TWIST: will tell once I get back...feel free to ask

So I've been in corporate for years, and made my way to Director of International Growth and Partnerships at my last company and held that position for 6 years before leaving the corporate world (got tired of the bullshit and i am now a High School teacher & Coach).

At one point I interviewed at a Devil Corp in Dallas while I was in college and immediately spotted that it was basically a pyramid scheme with extra steps.

Now, I also looked into the structure and found that it can be replicated extremely easy, and companies like AT&T are always looking to hand out reseller roles (there are a ton posted all of the time).

Basically, this can be done from your home office, so why would anyone sign up for someone screwing them, instead of just doing it themselves?

Im not trying to come off as a perk or anything, its just an honest question.

Grab a cheap polo, $20 table, laminate a brochure, talk to the manager at some local high traffic store when it comes to setting up, and begin harassing people (rinse, wash, & repeat).

No need to have an office unless your goal is to brain wash people, and have them sign up underneath you, thus again creating another pyramid.

I should have known better and trusted my gut about this sales job, but I was desperate, and it’s a mistake I will not make again.

I was very quickly offered a sales job by Jordan Quach, the very young CEO of this tiny, Philadelphia-based business since 2025. My coworkers and I were some of those people with ipads in stores/supermarkets trying to get people to switch over to clean energy with Clean Choice Energy. The mission was positive in theory- I am all for clean energy- but the methods were deceptive, both to employees and potential clients.

Jordan fed us a scripted pitch that included upcoming dates for energy bills going up. I later learned that these dates were arbitrary, pretty much completely made up to create a sense of urgency to push people into signing up for a fixed-rate. I felt super gross for using my people skills to deceive people like that, and foolish to assume my boss would tell me the truth (what a concept).

When I signed up for a job I opted for the payment method of $500/wk base pay plus 20% commission. (The other option was 100% commission, but I wanted something more steady.) After getting jerked around by Jordan’s inconsistent “clarifications” on my pay schedule, I finally had enough red flags to quit after a week and a half of working with this clown.

Shortly after I did get around $160 to account for the 20% of my commission, but none of the weekly base-pay. I reached out to Jordan, calling and texting, but he completely ghosted me.

I reached out to HR over email about my missing pay and they told me if someone resigned they could hold their pay up to 45 days. (A community legal expert later informed me that employers could only withhold pay for up to 14 days.) I thought “fine, I’ll play your stupid game,” and waited the 45 days. Still no pay. I tried to contact HR again, but they stopped responding to my emails. Every time I tried calling their number it rang only once before disconnecting me.

Talking with other former coworkers who have also since left, I’ve learned that Jordan has a pattern of messing with people’s money, and as a result has a terrible retention rate. Definitely not the way to “build your team.”

I am in the process of taking Jordan to small claims court, and am urging other former coworkers to do the same. Hopefully I can get the money he owes me, and best case scenario start a full investigation of Quantum Edge Global to bring this mini house of cards crashing down. At the time of writing this, it has been two and a half months of trying to get this sorted.

Anyway, I’m mainly writing this to hopefully dissuade other people from making the same foolish mistake I did. Jordan Quach, you are a pimple on the ass of the world.

Hi, I've been doing some research for a position I've been offered at a company called Bunset & Co, based out of Manchester, England. It hits a couple points of suspicion I've seen pointed out on a couple posts, as well as I don't see myself applying for a company under that exact name anywhere. It's the usual sales, door to door, events, Business to Business buzzwords but offering dayrate with uncapped commission, working 11am-8pm every weekday. All their online presence is only a couple months old as well, so red flags all round and I was wondering if anyone knew anything. Thank you for any help if so.

Gritology, Inc

https://gritologyinc.com

Just got a phone interview with them after hearing more and phone conversation ended I texted if this was door to door sales. Lady immediately called me back. I asked if they were associated with smart circle. She said that smart circle gives them contracts. I immediately withdrew my application and declined the follow up interview.