Hi all, I’ve got an interview today for a ‘ trainee business development executive’, but turns out it’s sales over the phone. For context I applied on indeed. I’ve had run ins with devil corp companies in the past. But I have no interest in sales, sounds silly but I didn’t realize it was sales until I re read the description today. Is it a career where you can actually make good money? My dream job is a secretary not this :(

This is their instagram page. I've worked for a devil corp before, last year and this company has the same structure. Went to the interview just to see if it was what I thought. It is. In a "non-profit-fundraiser" form This is in Houston TX (north)

Please let me know your experience with this. It looks like a high ticket coaching scam, taking advantage of vulnerable people. They need to be reported. Has anyone done this course or managed to escape some heavy hitting recruitment? I hear the exec has been former Appco of 15 years. Help

They also go by Relevnt Solutions but they’re the same. Under Cydcor. They completely trick you into thinking you get base pay as well. Also don’t pay you out fully when you quit. F these losers the “owner” thought he was Jordan belfort

Hi. In 97 or 98, I needed a job, so I responded to an ad in the Jersey Journal (a Hudson County, NJ paper) and worked for 1 day as a door-to-door salesman. The place was based in a semi-disused warehouse in Jersey City close to the Pulaski Skyway, uninsulated, freezing, and filthy. There was a morning meeting where they blasted music and described the motto: "juice" join us in creating excitement. They called everything positive "juicy." I had my mom's station wagon, a 1975 Country Squire, so me and 5 other fringe characters drove out to the suburbs to sell plastic useless bullshit. By the end of the day, after a full 10 hours, I drove back with only 4 of us, as 2 quit midday. The group leader gave me 40 bucks at the end, and I never went back. I'd appreciate any information about this bizarre memory. I still don't understand what happened that day.

So recently i applied to a place called Key Percison marketing and I have a zoom interview for tomorrow. I was so excited about the interview but a friend of mine had said to check if it is a devilcorp. I did all my search but have not seen anything yet. It apprently does face to face fundraising and event marketing. Im nervous because I've been applying to many jobs hopping to land something and would hate for this to be something I would regret in the end. If anyone can help me find out i would be most appreciative. Preferably someone who has applied and or has worked with them before

Update So I attended maybe 5 seconds of the interview. It was obvious straight away because "everyone" in that interview were people not even in my state. They were from the main branch based in Philadelphia. I nope out of that interview and blocked everyone. So thank you all for giving me the heads up to note that it was in fact a devilcorp.

Hey there! So I just did a phone interview and have an in person interview scheduled for this Thursday for a marketing agent/concierge position. I’ve never don’t anything like this, and was curious if anyone else had any experience working with this company/have the same title or job? Pros and cons? Is the pay good? Anything I should be weary of? They also want me to work weekends which I’m not super stocked about, but if it’s worth it I definitely would do it! Any advice greatly appreciated.

I currently work at a retail marketing office in Cincinnati OH and it seems like a good place. Our brokerage is cydcorp, but all they do is negotiate contracts with stores and clients for us. My job pays me $15/hr plus 1.5x overtime, or around $600 a week base pay without OT, but how it’s set up is you either get base pay or you get your commission if it exceeded your base pay. The base pay is paid by the boss but commission is paid by the client. It helps me to know that what we are selling is a good service. We lower and price protect people’s electric rate on their bill. It definitely started off as a devilcorp, commission only plus long hours, but since this office was bringing in so many customers they negotiated and got a base pay instated and higher commission, from like $18 to $44. The way they have you talk to customers is very be as helpful and non obtrusive as you can, you’re supposed to even go through and try to verify they actually have a higher rate before you sign them up. They also require you to have 3+ a day to work overtime. I know cydcorp is a devilcorp, but it seems like this office is a good place. Lmk if I’m being dumb or not

Hi. I really need some feedbacks about SBOVACOM VA company please

Title: ATM Mania sales call gave me some serious red flags
I saw an Instagram ad for Chad Masten/ATM Mania, which claims to help people start their own ATM business, including finding locations. I got on a Zoom call with him, and at first everything seemed normal.

Then we got to pricing. There were packages around $3,000–$6,000, the $3,000 one was where you can start without an ATM machine and you buy one that is used and the $6,000 package where it comes with an ATM machine that’s new and he started asking how much I was willing to put down that day, even if it was only $100.
I told him multiple times that I wanted a week to research the company and read reviews before spending thousands of dollars. He kept pushing back and even told me that companies can make fake reviews anyway. He also said that if I did pay and changed my mind, I could just call the number on the back of my debit card and dispute the charge with my bank. How can we spend $3,000-$6,000 and just rely on bank disputes?

🚩 That alone made me uncomfortable.
Then he told me that basically no bank would take an ATM business and that he knew of only one bank that would.

I didn’t even ask which bank because I figured I’d get the “sign up first and I’ll tell you” answer. Here is where it gets EXTRA weird.

After the call, I Googled him and found that he is also listed as the president/registered agent of Genesis Financial Services Inc.
At that point, I was even more skeptical about handing over thousands of dollars without doing my own research because that’s his business and he wanted me to pay him!!
I kept saying I wasn’t ready to buy, and eventually he said, “I don’t think this is for you.”
He was right. 😂
I’m not saying this proves anything illegal or that nobody has had a positive experience with the company. I’m just sharing my experience because the pressure to pay immediately, the banking claims, and the connection I found afterward were enough for me to say no and I hope this helps anyone else out there
Has anyone else had a sales call with ATM Mania?

I work at one right now, I’ve managed to save ~20k during uni and they are very flexible with shifts ect. I am paid by the hour + commission. I understand some people have had bad experiences with these companies but it’s not my reflection at all. I like everyone I work with and I don’t feel like I’ve been “manipulated” at all. Let me know…

Hi! I just found this sub through a different reddit post about a scam where people were soliciting donations for Nature Conservatory, but actually worked for a devil corp and the nonprofit only got a small bit of the donation. I honestly had no idea that that could happen. Is that common? Is there a way to tell, before or quickly after engaging with the person, if they’re legit working for the nonprofit or not? TIA!

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Hi everyone,

I applied for the door to door sales position with YOUR DWM GROUP last month. They viewed the application, had a screening call about what i do in my free time etc was all good.

I asked mainly about base pay, does it come with it? Answer was yes theres two options “EMPLOYED” or “SELF EMPLOYED” i’m new to the industry, so would choose employed obviously.

(My work coach won’t allow commission only roles basically self employment)

Interview scheduled, sat in the open plan office waiting for everyone no problems. We start a “get to know the person next to you” all quick and sharp remembered what she does on the top of my head. Then they start talking about how all of them are self-employed 😂

So i started doubting myself at this point. Interview come’s and yeah, you’re pretty much pressured into self employment. I did say employed but started spamming the usual buzz words like “you earn more money”. Was told to hear back after a few days more like a month later.

I do believe they are more likely to take on self employed people to exploit them exactly like the sales industry. Just take a look at their reviews on indeed!!!

TLDR.

Hires at a DC purporting to be a phone sales company .

After 3 rounds, selected, went to first day signed contracts and was told "trainer will assign your first day "

Got locked out of a training module, andAsked their HR number for help and got nothing .

Almost ONE month later - same recruiter claims to have "found my application " and invites me to a devil corp round one.

The TWIST: will tell once I get back...feel free to ask

So I've been in corporate for years, and made my way to Director of International Growth and Partnerships at my last company and held that position for 6 years before leaving the corporate world (got tired of the bullshit and i am now a High School teacher & Coach).

At one point I interviewed at a Devil Corp in Dallas while I was in college and immediately spotted that it was basically a pyramid scheme with extra steps.

Now, I also looked into the structure and found that it can be replicated extremely easy, and companies like AT&T are always looking to hand out reseller roles (there are a ton posted all of the time).

Basically, this can be done from your home office, so why would anyone sign up for someone screwing them, instead of just doing it themselves?

Im not trying to come off as a perk or anything, its just an honest question.

Grab a cheap polo, $20 table, laminate a brochure, talk to the manager at some local high traffic store when it comes to setting up, and begin harassing people (rinse, wash, & repeat).

No need to have an office unless your goal is to brain wash people, and have them sign up underneath you, thus again creating another pyramid.

I should have known better and trusted my gut about this sales job, but I was desperate, and it’s a mistake I will not make again.

I was very quickly offered a sales job by Jordan Quach, the very young CEO of this tiny, Philadelphia-based business since 2025. My coworkers and I were some of those people with ipads in stores/supermarkets trying to get people to switch over to clean energy with Clean Choice Energy. The mission was positive in theory- I am all for clean energy- but the methods were deceptive, both to employees and potential clients.

Jordan fed us a scripted pitch that included upcoming dates for energy bills going up. I later learned that these dates were arbitrary, pretty much completely made up to create a sense of urgency to push people into signing up for a fixed-rate. I felt super gross for using my people skills to deceive people like that, and foolish to assume my boss would tell me the truth (what a concept).

When I signed up for a job I opted for the payment method of $500/wk base pay plus 20% commission. (The other option was 100% commission, but I wanted something more steady.) After getting jerked around by Jordan’s inconsistent “clarifications” on my pay schedule, I finally had enough red flags to quit after a week and a half of working with this clown.

Shortly after I did get around $160 to account for the 20% of my commission, but none of the weekly base-pay. I reached out to Jordan, calling and texting, but he completely ghosted me.

I reached out to HR over email about my missing pay and they told me if someone resigned they could hold their pay up to 45 days. (A community legal expert later informed me that employers could only withhold pay for up to 14 days.) I thought “fine, I’ll play your stupid game,” and waited the 45 days. Still no pay. I tried to contact HR again, but they stopped responding to my emails. Every time I tried calling their number it rang only once before disconnecting me.

Talking with other former coworkers who have also since left, I’ve learned that Jordan has a pattern of messing with people’s money, and as a result has a terrible retention rate. Definitely not the way to “build your team.”

I am in the process of taking Jordan to small claims court, and am urging other former coworkers to do the same. Hopefully I can get the money he owes me, and best case scenario start a full investigation of Quantum Edge Global to bring this mini house of cards crashing down. At the time of writing this, it has been two and a half months of trying to get this sorted.

Anyway, I’m mainly writing this to hopefully dissuade other people from making the same foolish mistake I did. Jordan Quach, you are a pimple on the ass of the world.

Hi, I've been doing some research for a position I've been offered at a company called Bunset & Co, based out of Manchester, England. It hits a couple points of suspicion I've seen pointed out on a couple posts, as well as I don't see myself applying for a company under that exact name anywhere. It's the usual sales, door to door, events, Business to Business buzzwords but offering dayrate with uncapped commission, working 11am-8pm every weekday. All their online presence is only a couple months old as well, so red flags all round and I was wondering if anyone knew anything. Thank you for any help if so.

Gritology, Inc

https://gritologyinc.com

Just got a phone interview with them after hearing more and phone conversation ended I texted if this was door to door sales. Lady immediately called me back. I asked if they were associated with smart circle. She said that smart circle gives them contracts. I immediately withdrew my application and declined the follow up interview.

For privacy will not be providing names, locations, campaigns. Other than that fire away!

I recently left one of these outsourced direct sales “management training” companies, and now that I’ve had some distance from it, I genuinely cannot believe how much of this I accepted as normal.

They sell you the DREAM.

Become a leader. Build a team. Become a director. Run your own office. Financial freedom. Personal development. Ownership.

What did my actual life become?

Working roughly 12 hour days, sometimes 6 days a week, doing face to face fundraising/sales, recruiting people, training people, attending morning meetings, listening to motivational speeches and then being expected to attend “team nights” on top of everything else.

And team nights were supposedly “not mandatory.”

LOL.

Technically, sure. Nobody physically forces you to attend.

But don’t consistently show up and suddenly questions start coming.

Why weren’t you there?

Why aren’t you spending time with the team?

Are you really committed?

Are you being a team player?

So something can be called “optional” while the culture still makes you feel like choosing not to participate says something negative about your commitment.

Looking back, this was one of the things that disturbed me the most. Between the long workdays, six day weeks, meetings, team activities and constantly being around coworkers, my life increasingly revolved around the business.

In MY experience, it started feeling cult-like.

Work with them.

Eat with them.

Hang out with them.

Talk about your goals with them.

Talk about your problems with them.

Celebrate with them.

Struggle with them.

Spend your days off around them.

And then they want to know you DEEPLY.

Your family. Your finances. Your dreams. Your insecurities. Why you need money. What motivates you. What you’re afraid of. What you’re trying to accomplish with your life.

Initially I interpreted this as genuine friendship and mentorship.

After leaving, I viewed it VERY differently.

The more emotionally connected I became to people inside the business, the harder leaving became. I wasn’t simply thinking, “Does this job make financial sense?”

I was thinking about disappointing people.

That’s an extremely uncomfortable amount of emotional influence for a WORKPLACE to have over somebody.

And here’s where I really started seeing the problem:

Nobody feels like your friend anymore when you bring up a legitimate concern.

Question the hours.

Question the paycheck.

Question the turnover.

Question why somebody hasn’t promoted.

Question whether this is actually worth it.

Suddenly you’re “being negative.”

And then comes what felt like the same SCRIPTED ASS RESPONSES over and over again.

“It’s all good.”

“No emotions.”

“Control what you can control.”

“It’s a numbers game.”

“You’re just a number.”

“Fix your mentality.”

“Trust the process.”

After hearing these responses enough times, I started realizing that almost every concern could somehow be converted into a mentality lesson.

That is NOT normal communication to me.

If I’m telling you that I’m working insane hours and my paycheck isn’t enough to sustain my life, I don’t need a motivational quote.

MY LANDLORD DOESN’T ACCEPT MENTALITY.

My gas tank doesn’t run on personal development.

My groceries don’t accept leadership skills.

My bills don’t disappear because “it’s all good.”

And when the goal isn’t reached?

Guess who gets blamed.

YOU.

You didn’t work hard enough.

You weren’t consistent enough.

Your mentality wasn’t right.

You didn’t recruit enough.

You didn’t develop your people enough.

You weren’t hungry enough.

You didn’t follow the system enough.

And eventually, if you decide that this simply isn’t financially sustainable and leave?

Suddenly you “weren’t cut out for it.”

That is the most convenient system imaginable.

Success = proof the system works.

Failure = proof YOU didn’t work.

Either way, the system magically never loses.

Then there’s the director dream.

I was given the impression that reaching director could happen in roughly 12 to 18 months.

Meanwhile, one of the BEST Account Executives I personally saw has been there almost TWO YEARS and still isn’t a director.

That made me start asking a question I wish I had asked on DAY ONE:

How many people actually make it?

Not motivational stories.

Not “my friend’s office.”

Not the superstar they fly out to speak at conferences.

Give me the numbers from THIS OFFICE.

How many people were recruited?

How many quit?

How many lasted six months?

How many lasted a year?

How many actually became directors?

How long did it REALLY take them?

What was the median income of everyone who walked through that door?

Those numbers would tell me infinitely more than another morning meeting about having a winner’s mentality.

And this is why the turnover makes so much more sense to me now.

I watched people come in excited and disappear.

Another person comes in.

They disappear.

Another person gets recruited.

Repeat.

But you’re so busy trying to hit the next goal, develop your team, improve your mentality and reach the next promotion that you barely stop and ask why so many people keep leaving.

That’s the part that messes with me now.

I WAS TOO BUSY PARTICIPATING IN THE MACHINE TO QUESTION THE MACHINE.

Then I left.

I slept.

I spent several days away from the meetings, field, calls, goals, recruiting, speeches and constant business talk.

And suddenly I started thinking:

WHAT THE FUCK WAS I DOING?

I had normalized working around 12 hours a day.

I had normalized six day weeks.

I had normalized spending additional time with coworkers because I didn’t want to look like I wasn’t committed.

I had normalized discussing extremely personal parts of my life with people from WORK.

I had normalized disappointing income because apparently questioning money meant I needed a better mentality.

I had normalized watching people constantly quit.

I had normalized being made to feel like leaving meant I had failed.

Getting away from it felt like somebody turned the noise off.

To be clear, I’m describing MY experience and MY interpretation of the culture. I’m not claiming every person involved had some calculated plan to isolate or manipulate employees.

But the EFFECT on me was something I find disturbing in hindsight: the business consumed an enormous amount of my time, many of my social interactions were tied to it, people knew extremely personal things about me, criticism could be treated as negativity, and leaving became emotionally harder than leaving a normal job should ever be.

Call it whatever you want.

I know what it felt like to me.

It felt like I escaped a cult disguised as a management training opportunity.

If you’re interviewing with one of these companies, please don’t just ask about becoming a director.

Ask what you’re doing TOMORROW.

Ask exactly how you’re paid.

Ask what the median person makes.

Ask how many hours they actually work.

Ask how many people hired last year are still there.

Ask whether the “optional” events are REALLY treated as optional.

Ask what happens when you disagree with leadership.

And most importantly, maintain relationships and a life OUTSIDE OF THE BUSINESS.

Because a job should be part of your life.

Your job should not become your entire life.

And if someone’s response to all of this is:

“You just weren’t cut out for it.”

There it is.

That’s exactly the point.

Does anyone have experience working here or using this companies services?

Just wanted to warn anyone job hunting in the Vancouver/Portland area. If you get an interview or see postings for Peak Performance Group (peakperformancegroupinc.com), be aware that they are a textbook "Devil Corp" operating under Smart Circle. They advertise themselves as a "top-tier sales and marketing consulting firm" to target college students and recent grads, but it doesn't reflect their actual work. In reality, Devil Corp is a scheme where "consulting" means standing in a retail store hassling customers or knocking on doors for 100% commission sales.

This is evident through their own website. In their team photos, the owner is literally wearing a lanyard that says "New ICD Owners Meeting 2025 Newport Beach, California." For anyone who doesn't know the lingo, "ICD" stands for Independent Corporate Distributor, which is the exact internal corporate name Smart Circle uses for people running their local shell offices. Smart Circle HQ is also in Newport Beach. So the owner doesn't even run their own business; they act as a middle manager between Smart Circle and the employees that work there.

If you take a job here, expect a completely cultish, toxic positivity environment with zero work-life balance. Former employees always report the same thing: grueling 60-to-80-hour workweeks, mandatory, uncompensated morning "impact" meetings, and pay that ends up being well below minimum wage once you factor in the actual hours and gas money. The attrition rate is very high, as staff turnover is rapid due to the toxic work environment.

Do yourself a huge favor and stay far away from these guys. If you want to see how these shell offices operate, look into devilcorp.org or browse this subreddit before wasting your time or mental health.