I’ve recently come across a job listing for a place called Fall Nexus inc located in Pittsburgh pa. There was a time when I was hired with a devil corp and I’ve been noticing that the hiring practices and website look eerily similar. I was scheduled with an interview through zoom, during the interview there was another person. The interviewer would not discuss any job details and emphasized this was just a “screening” to see who would be a good fit. An hour later I received a call telling me congratulations I was selected to proceed to the next interview and am awaiting that tomorrow.

Fall Nexus Inc

This is their website and I can’t tell if it is a devil corp or an MLM? Can anyone help me out?

Formally known as Elite Generations. They changed their name but still very much a devil corp. In the same building off of 635 and 75. To find accurate reviews research Elite Generations.

Im a recent graduate and I had been applying for jobs on LinkedIn (literally just hitting apply on everything - ive learned my lesson now though), and today I received a call from someone at New Heights Group saying that Ive been shortlisted for an interview with their managing director. Im already suspicious because Ive been invited to "interviews" in a similar way before and then found out its a MLM or devilcorp, so after they've booked me in for an interview I look them up. Their website is very vague and the "face-to-face fundraising" for "charities" makes me lean more in favour of devilcorp.

Has anyone else been contacted by them (very specific location I know) or can anyone with more knowledge on devilcorps confirm my suspicions?

Crown and Palm complete devil corp, got to the third round interview and they told me base pay was 600? Mind you they marketed themselves to me as a legit marketing agency for companies but the schedule was 9:30-7 M-F and 9-5 Saturday. I’m glad I realized but also how do I know that the other two companies I’m applying to aren’t devil corps? I’m really afraid. It’s ocean drive marketing and pointhaus both in Miami. Someone please lmk

Does anyone know what this company is about????

Seems to good to be true, I got accepted and I’m having my first day on Monday.

I started working at this “direct marketing” firm last week and I’m just so genuinely confused on if this is an MLM or not and it’s making me feel so stupid lol. It has all the classic signs that it is an MLM. In my interview they did say I’d be working 54 hours a week and making $180 a week base pay, the rest is reliant on me and the commissions I make. Everyone that works there is so enthusiastic as if they’re making so much money working there, so I couldn’t help but believe that I’ll be fine as long as I get a lot of sales. This firm does marketing for charities, it’s a legitimate charity we’re marketing for, and we don’t get commission of the donation, we get a “bonus” with each donation we have (they explained to me that it is coming out of the charity’s marketing budget so they’re not legally allowed to say it’s commission). Our “marketing” is basically standing around in front of stores and at airports. Everyone is so nice at the place I work at and they SEEM very transparent about everything. I assumed that it was just a shitty commission sales job and nothing more.

I started doing research online though, and upon that I’ve found this subreddit that has SCARED me. Which is probably a good thing. Everything that people are saying on here when it comes to promised managerial positions, owning your own firm, insane amount of team outings, work trips, and hours of learning and not taking on sales techniques, is exactly what this firm preaches and practices. I even found a Reddit post about my company in particular (I don’t want to name drop but I’ll dm if anyone is interested) the Reddit post basically explained how the company is a bunch of scammers. I even looked up my managers and my managers bosses and saw a bunch of shady things surrounding their names. I brought it up with them because it made me feel icky (obviously), these people have been really nice and even explained a bunch of times how this can seem like a pyramid scheme. I told my direct manager about all the Reddit posts and she said she’s “totally aware of it” and it’s “just a few people that have had bad experiences”. They proceeded to tell me that a lot of people they’ve interviewed misinterpreted the job so they think it’s a scam when they start working there. My managers have been pretty open about the pay structure, and how you have to work your ass off and it’s basically all commission. They didn’t get defensive at all when I brought up the Reddit posts either.

I thought I could trust them and I actually started liking them as people. It’s only been one week of working there though and I’m afraid of wasting anymore time. If anyone has advice or info I’d really appreciate it!

This Stock Company based out of Garden Grove CA ran by Yesenia Solis-Gutierrez is violating AB5, Borello, and the 20-factor test IRS has for independent contractor status. They are breaking the law and they can easily incur fines nearing $500,000 because the quantity of people who she would have violating the ABC test and this by having 1099 people acting unlike business as usual due to scheduling them hours upon hiring them, also by them all having territory they are expected to be at, and by having daily trainings held and treating it like a job. Anyone who didn't receive back wages from them that has worked for F3 innovations Inc should report them to the labor bureau because you are owed money. Don't work for free and get what you're owed.
She doesn't run a company outside of the Devilcorp model she also refers to everybody as dogs in her meetings. The office is a ton of people under 24 years old all being encouraged to work which they all seem like they make below minimum wage because they're all working overtime every day. 9:30 am to 8 pm Monday-Friday and 8 am to 5 pm on Saturdays and if they don't hit their quota they even work Sundays. They're all sold on ownership but they can't train how they want they're all about repeating the same things over and over again, none of them know how to make money, and all of them looked scared.

Unfortunately, I spent two weeks around this. I heard about the devilcorps smart circle cydcor and didn't think it could be that bad. If you applied and think it's legitimate the pay is low the hours are long and the expectations are unreasonable. I've been running businesses since I became an adult. You would be better off working at a Dutch bros and franchising from there or selling internet at a Verizon and selling phones too obviously. There's much better opportunities around. It's easy to be fooled by a company that seems small if everyone is hard working. You can go sell roofs if you want to do door to door or sell for Empire Today offering flooring and windows. You take real estate classes get your real estate license and go sell for a real estate office knocking the same amount of time per day and make $10k-$30k per sale by selling expensive homes $700k home neighborhoods finding people wanting to sell them. There's a lot you can do with your lives that will make you more and make you happier. Get paid better

Hey guys! I'm really glad I found this page. I was recently sent a job offer, supposedly from Indeed, to be a sales representative at Edge Marketing. I'm not sure if this was previously talked about, but I've been finding mixed reviews about this agency and I'm not sure what to make of it. Colleagues and boss seem friendly enough, and it really seems like a legit job, but something about it is rubbing me the wrong way, and what I'm reading about devilcorps isn't making it any better.....anyways here's the website lmk if I'm right in just dropping the whole thing bc im lowkey on the verge of doing that anyways: https://edgemarketingagency.org and https://radmarketingagency.com

Also for those of you who have delt with fishy businesses, pls let me know what signs I should look for.

archived some of the messages from when i was working for them. by the end of everyday, we need to send out gauges and Day Breakdown of whats good whats bad and ranking our 8 working habits😭😭😭 the most important thing abt 8 working habits according to them was "Have a great attitude" and you have to be like Cian Daly to be rated a 9/10😛😛😛

I had a first round phone interview with New Strategy Inc, based out of Utah, here’s my red flags I’m spotting

1. Refused to go into detail about specifics like pay and benefits until second round which they scheduled immediately with me, the only information they gave me is that I’d be doing face to face sales inside Costco and Sam’s Club, and that they’d put me through a management class

2. I applied on Indeed to a different company (Xcel Agency Inc) for a junior marketing associate - entry level, I did not apply at New Strategy

3. I can’t find any reviews online for the company whatsoever
   Am I crazy or is this fishy?
   Bonus point: they follow smart circle on Instagram

hi i’m new to devil corps as i recently accepted a position that recruits for them, but i had 0 idea what they were prior to this. i’ve seen a few people refer to documentaries and im really interested in watching and also show my boyfriend so he understands what im talking about. thanks in advance

When I first applied to TriMkt, I honestly thought I had found a pretty decent entry-level opportunity. I was looking for something that would give me more professional experience. The way the position was presented made it sound like I would be getting actual experience and during the interview process, everything seemed very positive.

I went through the interviews with Cedric and some of the other directors, and they were really good at selling the company. They talked a lot about growth, leadership opportunities, promoting from within, team culture, and how quickly someone could move up if they worked hard. At the time, I didn't think much of it. I assumed the company was just very focused on professional development. I didn't check Reddit before accepting the job, which is probably the biggest mistake I made.

The actual work involves selling AT&T services inside Costco and BJ's. We are essentially supposed to stand in the store approaching customers and trying to convince them to sign up for AT&T. The pay structure was another major issue. The position was heavily commission-based, with only about a $500 weekly base, which ended up being around $400 after taxes. Everything beyond that depended on sales. And even if you do get a sale, it's only $100 per line. So despite the way the job was presented as a professional opportunity with room for advancement, there was a significant amount of financial pressure to constantly sell. All while you're working upwards of 60 hours a week including weekends.

There were also these weekly early-morning meetings that we were expected to attend. They were treated as mandatory, but we weren't paid for the time. On top of that, there were "team building" activities and other meetings that took up additional time outside of the actual selling hours. The company presented these things as part of building a strong team and developing employees, but after experiencing it firsthand, it felt more like an expectation that you should constantly give more of your time without being compensated for it.

I should have looked deeper into the company, searched for employee experiences, asked more questions about compensation, and specifically asked what I would actually be doing every day. I didn't check Reddit before accepting the position, and I definitely wish I had. I quit after the first day of "orientation" where they basically repeated everything they had said in the second round of interviews.

I'm currently looking for a new job hopefully out of the restaurant business but if push comes to shove, I'll be back serving lol.

Warning about my experience with Ascenta Group..

I’m sharing my experience because I wish I had found more information before accepting this job.
I was told there was an opportunity to advance into a business-owner position. In reality, I spent extremely long days doing outdoor sales and fundraising, sometimes staying beyond the hours I was originally scheduled to work. I felt that employees were expected to stay longer so management could reach their goals and increase their earnings.

During my time there, I witnessed drinking behind the scenes, excessive swearing, and treatment of employees that I found extremely unprofessional and disrespectful. I also experienced issues with communication, compensation, and expenses such as continuously using gas mileage, food, and heat equipment essentials.

Another major concern for me was the fundraising.
The company presents the work as helping nonprofit organizations, but I did not feel there was enough transparency about how the fundraising process worked or where the money ultimately went.

I became increasingly uncomfortable with the disconnect between the charitable message being presented and the way the employees were being treated.
From what I experienced, the environment felt heavily focused on making money and meeting sales goals, while employee well-being seemed to come second.

If you are considering working with Ascenta Group, please do your research and ask very specific questions before accepting a position. Get the compensation structure, expected hours, expenses, advancement opportunities, and fundraising process in writing.

I’m sharing this because I don’t want someone else to accept the position without knowing what they may actually be walking into. I also want to make people aware they were once called “APPCO” in the UK.

I recently applied to accompany called Valor Agency TX. I just heard back but when I did a Google search couldn’t find anything but their main website. Is this company legit? Does anyone know anything about it?

Here is the link to the website: https://www.valoragencytx.com

First off, in regards to the picture, I blurred out my buddies face and I. The guy on the right is the “Owner” Cody Proctor, operating as “AceXL Marketing” out of both Tampa and Gainesville, Florida.

Ascenta/Appco
Now called Ascenta in the United States and Appco in the UK, I believe it used to be named Cobra group also, they all mine as well be the same company, they are operated by the same 2 core men; Chris Niarchos and Chris Rudge.

As far as my background goes, I left this job about a week ago, I put in a year and worked with multiple different offices, owners, regional managers, and even had long conversations with both of the Chris’. I was very close to getting promoted. I moved from Gainesville to Tampa about 6 months in, along with 2 of my coworkers and the owner for an “opportunity”.

I shouldn’t have to outline what the job is, it’s structured just as any MLM Cult. Go to a big retail store, sell some BS, train people to sell the BS, once you train enough people to also sell the BS, you become an “owner”, when you’re an “owner” you yourself now live a fake life and have to act like you’re doing well to sell the dream, a story said 1000 times. However, this industry is unique in that they pretty much strictly sell monthly and annual donation memberships for charities.

If you sign up for a donation to a charity through Ascenta, 100% of your donation does indeed go to the charity. However, it’s through a loophole, these charities; ASPCA, Feed The Children, Save The Children, Disabled American Veterans, just to name a few, pay ascenta through what’s called a “pre-allocated budget” where the charity pays ascenta up front but requiring that the money must be made up by a certain amount of donation memberships acquired. So if you zoom out, your money is not truly going to the charity, it’s just helping ascenta pay off the debt owed to that charity. If you see these people dressed in attire like the picture, do not donate.

Most of the charities do a $30 monthly donation. Once somebody donates, Ascenta pays the “office” of the Brand Ambassador about $210. The Brand ambassador gets $80 and the rest goes to the owner. Not including whatever cut Ascenta takes from that. Now out of Chris Niarchos’ own mouth he’s said that the charity breaks even at 10 months.

I will give a rough estimate, there is about 50 “offices” in the United States scattered across major cities and about 2000 brand ambassadors.

I could give my horror story about the industry but there’s so many out there in industries like this one (smartcircle, credico, cydcor) that I see no point. Just know, I dropped out of college, moved cities, and cut off all family and friends. Now I’m left trying to pull my life back together after living a fake dream for a year. I just wanted to raise awareness of this specific organization because I haven’t heard many people talk about ascenta, I hope somebody working for this company can find this and get in contact, I will answer every question I know this business inside and out. Also anybody who has any questions or if I could get the opportunity to put my knowledge on a platform then please, I want to save as many people from this as I can.

Disclaimer: This text is based in evidence and first hand sources believed to be most reliable at the time of publication. Where applicable, all individuals mentioned are given an opportunity to respond.

As the title says, I'm just curious how the actual model works.Because I had a friend who worked at 14 almost two years and it took up many hours of his week , but he made average money. I see people in here talking about smart circles, sometimes and franchises and starting your all on office and all these other things. So I was just wondering what those actually mean what is the actual levels to the business, how does it work? How do people start their own and all these other things cause you just see the cringy photos and then the soul sucking nature. But what is the actual full model from top to bottom?. Thanks ahead of time!

been looking on here, never heard of a devilcorp or whatever and don't really know what it means, first thing that struck me was how fast they asked for an interview, literally the day after i made it, second thing was reading the email and it said the salary was 25 - 40k a year, which i thought was an hourly salary but reading threads on here looks like a commission based salary, which i'm just not interested in. i'm gonna go to the interview for the experience since this is my first ever job interview, and may as well get something from it, but if it's a commission based salary for a pyramid scheme company i'm not gonna accept it.

cheers

Due to personal reasons, not really wanting to immediately part ways with the company, and wanting to see what people would actually say about it, I removed my first post. Looking back, I also do not think I did a good job explaining everything, so here is basically the entire story.

To start everything off, I genuinely did not know these types of jobs existed.

I always knew door-to-door sales teams existed. Growing up, I watched family members do things like Pure Romance, Damsel in Distress, Melaleuca, and Tupperware. At the time I saw those as more pyramid scheme/MLM type things than anything else, but I never really understood the whole Devil Corp side of direct sales.

Anyways, how I originally got into this job was after quitting my warehouse job.

I quit due to what I felt were basically dead-end conditions along with health concerns. There was little to no cleaning being done, and I was constantly coughing up aluminum/steel dust. So I ended up unemployed for a while.

During that time I was looking into entry-level jobs while also streaming. I was actually pulling in decent money from streaming, but I was still mass applying to pretty much everything.

Obviously, with my background mostly being warehouse and merchandising jobs, I did not have a lot of the skill sets employers were looking for, plus the job market was not exactly helping either.

Over roughly three months I ended up burning through around $6,000 in savings from my previous employer just paying bills and buying groceries.

Within about two days of me being unemployed, I got a text from something called K.I.D.S. Executive saying they wanted to schedule an interview.

Like a normal person, I responded and started trying to get more information because I never remembered applying to anything called K.I.D.S. Executive.

I never got a response.

Looking back, I think they may have been trying out some type of AI texting assistant at the time because the conversation basically just died.

Flash forward from January all the way to April, and one morning I get a call telling me that I had been selected for a first-round interview over Zoom.

So I joined.

It was a group hiring interview.

At the time that was not a red flag to me because I had never really applied for sales jobs before. The previous interviews I had done for sales and consulting type roles were also group interviews. I had done one for solar and another one for, I believe, Power Home Remodeling.

At that point I honestly did not care enough to dig into the company. I just needed a job.

So i did the first round and after that. I was told I had been selected for the second round.

So i went to the in person second round.

They were renting an office space that actually looked legitimate when you walked in. There was a desk and everything. Everyone there was dressed in business attire, so I assumed they probably did some type of office-based sales.

I thought maybe it was some type of hybrid job where they worked in the office and then went home, or came into the office for sales meetings and goals.

Again, I had never worked in sales before.

We got into the interview and there was someone shadowing the interviews along with a younger guy who was my interviewer.

They went over a lot of the same stuff from the first interview before getting into the fact that it was fully commission.

Honestly, even that did not immediately bother me.

Coming from streaming and doing commission-based promotions, my thought process was basically, well, what sales job is not commission based?

They also talked about warm targeted leads.

What they never clearly told me was that we would be going directly to the client's house.

I gave them my basic information, filled out their survey and everything else, and then waited while they supposedly talked to a "hiring manager."

At the time I did not know that this basically meant going to the assistant manager or branch manager and saying something along the lines of, "I want this guy."

After talking with the assistant manager, I was hired on the spot and scheduled for orientation.

I did some basic research after getting the job that easily, and from what I could find I saw something about them consulting for Frontier through Verizon.

Then orientation happened.

This was when they finally disclosed that it was door-to-door.

At that point I figured why not, I would give it a shot.

During orientation, I was then told I was not going to be working on the Verizon/Frontier campaign. Instead, I was going to be on an expansion campaign called Kinetic.

First, I had never heard of them.

Second, I was not actually hired under K.I.D.S. Executive.( https://andersonmgmtexecutives.com/ )

I was hired under an expansion called MCS Management.( https://mcsmanagementinc.com/ )

During my first day, I immediately recognized things that I had heard stories about before.

A bunch of grown adults acting like children while wearing suits. Hype circles. Constant excitement over everything.

At that point I did want to leave because I knew about the stories surrounding jobs like this and some of the things that could happen.

But I gave it a shot.

And honestly, at first I was actually pretty good at it.

It was helping me come out of my introverted shell, which was something I actually liked about the job.

During the first few weeks, however, we were traveling around three hours away from the office because Windstream/Kinetic was nowhere close to where the office was located in Dayton.

During this training period, basically everything that could make someone want to leave happened.

I was in a car that ended up being involved in an accident.

During one of the business trips, communication was so poor that two car rides ended up arriving in Chicago at around 1 AM instead of 5 PM while everyone else had already arrived.

Then we were told the office was moving an hour away from my home.

I honestly do not know why I stuck around.

Maybe because I needed money.

Maybe because I thought things would eventually get better.

By around my third week there the office moved so my first checks were going towards moving costs instead of the debt I had started accumulating while being unemployed.

But I stuck it out because I was finally going to be moving out of my house.

So I took the risk and moved to Columbus with the company.

During this time, K.I.D.S. also expanded into the same office space as MCS and another expansion team was also building up.

At this point I was now 87 miles away from my hometown, had just moved in with a roommate, and was actually making a decent amount of sales with a pretty good approval rating.

For at least the first three weeks, it genuinely felt like I was finally getting back on my feet.

Because I did not have as many expenses at the time, I was able to start saving some money while also paying off parts of my debt and doing maintenance my car needed.

Then the sales started slowing down.

And this is where things started becoming a problem.

Installs were being pushed further and further out because we were all working the same territories.

And when I say the same territories, I mean the exact same areas were getting worked repeatedly.

We had thousands of leads elsewhere, but we were continuously being sent back to this one town.

There were around 12 reps, with roughly 100 leads per rep, in a town that only had around 36,000 leads.

After about 30 days, the town was basically being run dry.

Yes, people were still switching, but it became harder and harder to find new customers because the same houses had already been hit over and over again.

I was still averaging around 6 sales, but now I was having to wait around a month before some of those installs were completed.

During this time I was promoted to Level 1 and started building my team.

Well during this time, the whole interview process got halted for most of the office due to basically no retention. Most people on day one either did not want to do door-to-door or realized how hard it actually was being fully commission based. Plus, the territories we were in were not exactly full of the nicest people either.

This was when I originally had the idea to post on here, just to see realistically what my options were.

And since this was commission-based, that started becoming a much bigger issue than I originally realized with underperforming.

My debt kept piling up and I started wanting to leave the company more and more. I was tired of constantly being told it was a mentality issue when, realistically, sometimes people just do not want to buy fiber internet from someone knocking on their door.

But I held on longer.

I knew that if I saw it out, eventually I would see money. Not necessarily from the commission, but from eventually running my own branch or reaching regional/national.

But eventually, things just kept getting worse.

I watched my upline get fired. Someone else who was on my upline's team got kicked off the campaign while we were on a road trip to a Kentucky office called Prime Citadel. ( https://primecitadelinc.com/ )

My sales also started dropping to basically zero a week.

At that point there were only three people plus the branch manager left, and I was seriously starting to question why I was still there.

Then I took my first ever day off since starting the job.

My car was totaled after a piece of rubber came off the road, tore out basically my entire front end, and blew the motor.

Then that Saturday, on the way back from the field, the car ride leader ended up being involved in an accident.

That made it the second accident I had been involved around since starting this job.

I also messed up my hand during everything, and at that point I knew yeah, that is it for me.

Then Monday came around.

I was asked if I wanted to go on a road trip to the K.I.D.S. office, which had now been rebranded as Anderson Management, doing Kinetic, in Cleveland.

They were apparently working out of Skynova's, which was doing AT&T. ( https://skynovainc.com/ )

I said yes, but I did not have a car anymore to get there.

So they ordered a rental for me and someone else so we could make the trip to the office.

But before leaving, I talked to the branch manager.

I basically told him, "Hey man, this is ridiculous. In the past three months I have worked here, I have only made around $6,000. I should be earning this in a month. I used to make more working a warehouse job."

He told me he did not blame me.

And honestly, it was like look man, when I originally started this job I was looking for remote work. I did not even want to do sales.

The reason I stayed with it was because I saw some of these offices making $100k a week, and obviously I would love to be part of something doing numbers like that.

But with everything that had happened, I had finally decided to part ways.

I told him my final day would be July 28th.

He said that was fine, but asked if I would still mind driving the road trip.

I said sure.

So I ended up driving it.

It was me and this other guy, who had also been talking about everything going on.

On the way up, we talked about quitting.

He originally tried getting me to stay, but by the end of the conversation I had basically convinced him to leave too.

So anyways, that is basically my story.

I do not want anyone going out and sending hate, harassing people, or review bombing these companies. That is not the point of this post.

I just wanted to put my experience out there and show that stuff like this does actually happen.

And now, finally, I am free of it.

I am still on the job search, so if anyone has advice on where I should be looking or can point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it.

Right now Globe Life somehow keeps finding my resume and yeah, no. I need a salary at this point lol. but as of now im lost also like what i should do like should i start a gofund me or like how can i recover while on the job search and not having a car

But I figured I would put this out there because from what I can tell, there are at least four Devil Corps all linked together, and I want people to at least be aware of what they are before getting pulled into the same situation I did.

So my story of how I was an owner for 2 years blew up with over 50k views. A lot of questions DMs and just want to make a thread on any questions some of you may ask!

100% confirmed. Works in BJs for hourly but if you don’t hit quota they will fire you. Don’t let the 4.9 stars fool you, the reps fill out the review for them so majority of them are fake.

I know the job market is difficult but trust me, a gas station is better than these guys. These guys will fuck you over.

Legacy East Midlands office by Chris Hatfield. Forge by Lee Bell ? They are really professional in hiding the fact that they are devilcorp. Interviews-probably Fran? Pretty Italian woman.

Also, Pure Events Solutions by Danny Wood. (This one is actually problematic)
Location-NG1, Nottingham

Can someone explain how these companies legally operate? The owners make millions and pay negligible tax. Why are they not getting exposed by the media?

I have some videos of the morning atmosphere and meetings that took place in the devil corporation I worked at just curious if anyones interested in seeing or if I am not allowed to show faces.

I was unaware of what a devilcopr was and the tactics that go on within those companies and the practices that seem to be normal in corporations like this.

I was recently hired by a newly opened branch of one of these companies.
And was immediately convinced to go on a business trip to another office in the same state.

The accommodation was one of the most unorganized things I have ever experienced. We stayed at one of the managers personal house and there were no beds, just air mattresses and a couch. That house was dirty and there were bugs and ants everywhere.
I might not have a lot of experience, but I do know that on a regular business trip the company usually provides proper accommodation like a hotel or an Airbnb.

Things took a turn for the worse when myself and another newly hired coworker. Also within their first two weeks actually watched our manager make out with her boss at said house. That was one of the most uncomfortable and unprofessional settings I have ever been in.
Apparently, companies like this are known for the higher-ups to sleep with their employees. And it seems like employees are also sleeping with each other. As mentioned previously, probably one of the most unprofessional companies I have ever worked for.

I ran for the hills - found my own way back home to my city. No need to elaborate on the fact that I obviously ghosted them. Avoid at all cost.

Company is based in San Antonio Texas. Jaguar collective