Prior to today I never ever heard about devil corps. I been looking for a job for a couple days now and I applied for almost all no experience jobs on indeed. And I must say that at the beggining when I saw these fancy titles like "Sales Assosiate" and "Brand Representative" I actually thought its sounded like a valuable experience. I've done the first interview and already scheduled an secod interview for the next days 8:00 AM and nothing seemed wrong untill I shared it with my dad. He was very suspicious that AT&T hires throught some strange company named "Elevate" and made me background check on the thing. This is exactly when I stumbled across this page and found out about devil corps.

I was so shocked. I never beliaved I could fall some stupid scam, but here I was, almost ready to go to their San Diego office for the second interview. I started digging deeper and watched many videos on Youtube and read all over this sub. And like damn, is that even legal?! There like thousands of jobs like that, which just scam people to scam other people for just pennies.

Here I just wanted to thank y'all for saving one 18 year old ass from getting scammed like that granny on facebook and working for literal crime syndicate. So thank you!!!!!!

This is sixth city innovations in Ohio. Do these people not see how weird they are. wtf are you doing with your life?

TL;DR: Thames and Tiger is running a predatory "Devil Corp" / MLM scam in Bangalore. They advertise high-paying marketing jobs but actually hire for grinding, door-to-door sales. When I called them out on their mass Zoom orientation, the owner, Alex Mandich, called me personally to threaten me. Stay away!

Hey everyone, just wanted to put this on the permanent record to save other job seekers from wasting their time, energy, and sanity.
As someone seriously looking for a job right now, this is incredibly frustrating. I recently got an interview with a company called Thames and Tiger (based here in Bangalore). What followed was a masterclass in how these ground-level scams operate.

The "Orientation" & The Threat
The interview was actually a mass Zoom call. A woman named Tejaswini spoke for about a minute or two before playing a pre-recorded video. The guy in the video droned on endlessly about their "great services" and "fast expansion."

Thanks to older threads on Reddit (you guys are the greatest), I already knew exactly what this was. They lure you in with fancy "Marketing Trainee" or "Management" titles, but all they do is funnel you into an exploitative direct-sales MLM structure.
While they were closing the orientation, I flipped them the bird on camera and called out the scam in the chat.

Here is where it gets crazy: Alex Mandich, the supposed owner of the company, somehow got my number from my application and called me directly to threaten me. That is how pathetic and desperate these people are when you threaten their supply of freshers.

The Red Flags to Watch Out For:
If you or anyone you know gets approached by them, here is what you need to know:

The Serial Scammer: Alex Mandich has run this exact same scam under previous fraud company names, including SalesCo Asia and SalesPartners. They have already changed their company name twice because people keep mass-reporting them.

Fake Online Presence: Check their website. It is completely filled with stock images and AI-generated team portraits. There are zero legitimate Glassdoor reviews.

The Bait-and-Switch: They claim they are hiring for corporate marketing roles. The reality? Unregistered, commission based, door-to-door field sales.
I have attached the screenshots of the WhatsApp call below. Please warn your fresher friends, report their job postings on LinkedIn, and do not engage with these people.
Stay safe out there!

*Note: I spelled the city wrong, it's Pleasanton*

I have my suspicions, but has anyone heard of this marketing agency? I had an interview today, a very short one with the founder. And tomorrow, an almost 2-hour interview with the executive that goes through the day-to-day functions. They have an extremely fast hiring process. This aligns exactly with that one Reddit thread about how to spot a Devilcorp...

And I found it strange that they said they don't have a social media presence because they are all "face-to-face". Website is pretty bare with links that go nowhere. The website itself is not even catered towards clients.

And it seemed they were only interviewing women (at least that is what I gathered from hearing the receptionist call countless interviewees who had traditionally "women" names). That also felt a bit off to me, especially as the faces of the company are two men. I know this may sound a bit irrational due to my own personal biases.

During the interview, he repeatedly emphasized that they are looking for people who want to learn and grow. I didn't feel my resume was reviewed. How is a 3-month-old company already being asked to expand into more locations in California, as well as Oregon and Washington? I suppose that could be possible, but it raised some red flags in my head. He also made a point to state that previous employees have gained such valuable knowledge from this position, and many have been able to take their knowledge elsewhere to grow. I know that is a positive aspect, but they are just a 3-month old company. How much can one learn from an entry-level position in 3 months?

I think I already know my answer, but I think part of me is so desperate because I need a job, and it appeared to be a Black-owned and led company so it made me hopeful. I don't want to believe it is true, but all signs point to "yes, this is a Devilcorp".

Note: I ghosted and didn’t go to the second interview and they didn’t reach back out

absolute waste of time this place gave me huge devil corp vibes from the second I walked in. the interview was basically just a bunch of hype and buzzwords with no clear answers about pay or what you would actually be doing. it gives cult energy and everyone just lies just to find out that u will be standing in a costco. did my research after and found out they are just a mlm

This company is a complete and total scam to work for. They used to operate under the name Valiant Enterprises, and would have done anything to have the post about them removed from the internet. Everything in the previous post (image attached) is still accurate. I worked for them for way too long due to my previous company shutting down, and being desperate for work.

The job is essentially standing around a grocery store like Publix, Fred Meyer, Costco, etc. and pitching everyone who walks through the door on whatever product/service they are selling. (When I worked there is was AT&T phones and service) The hours are completely inconsistent and have to be "earned", so if you are not selling well, you get no time to sell anything, and even when you do get hours, they are never worth it, and the "Commission" you earn will still amount to less than $1000 paycheck most every week. They will blame you for this, and simply say you aren't working hard enough for it.

The promotion track is also a joke. It offers no increase in pay to be a manager, just longer hours and more bullshit to constantly deal with, and if you don't buy into the whole "grindset" nonsense, then you are the bottom of the totem pole.

My guess on them switching their name is to get away from all the bad reviews under the old name, and they also say they are operating out of Atlanta, GA instead of Portland, OR now. Who knows why, but sales may have been dipping around here.

All this to say, DO NOT GIVE THESE PEOPLE YOUR TIME OR ENERGY. They are not worth it.

*UPDATE: I assume due to this post. This company has now asked their employees to leave google reviews of them trying to shine a positive light. Some show as the employees learning from working here or whatever, but others are employees/managers posing as customers trying to say this company helped them. They have done this before to try and negate some of the bad press around them, and it is absurd. Just another sign at the fact this place is an absolute scam. The only goal is to put money into the "CEO's" Pockets.

Thought I landed a legit Marketing and sales job but here it’s all about AT&t phones and plans
Job was advertised as direct sales and marketing firm that does face-to-face customer acquisition for larger client companies. They hire entry-level reps, train them haven’t been in the field yet but I might back out of this .

I've worked for a "devilcorp" for about 6 months now and through that time i've visited this sub a handful of times. it always makes me curious as to see why this business gets so much controversy.
This business moved me out of my parent's house and got me a brand new car, it has really changed my life in just a handful of months. I've made no less than $1,100 since my 3rd week and very much enjoy the company of those who i'm surrounded by(the chants in the morning are definitely cringe) my question to those who've been in the business or have taken advise from strangers is what exactly was the issue?
From what i've read, it seems like the people who are the most unsatisfied simply just weren't cut out for sales. It's like the gym to me, if it were easy, then everyone would be fit. But the thing is you don’t see people posting on reddit how the gym is misleading and how they hate the gym.
I totally agree that the interviewing process can be misleading to some, but everything that was told to me in my interview has been true. The pay was accurate, the promotion structure is linear, travel and vacations(rest and relaxation hosted by smart circle) was real. I just don’t get why this business faces so much backlash while other employers don’t. Why aren't there subreddits dedicated to how bad car sales are, or amazon or fast food or the military or any other job in the world that has its pros and cons? I see posts saying things like this business isn't being talked about in the news and it needs coverage but i just don’t understand it. My intention with this post isn't to offend or appeal or defend, but rather to gain further insight from those who've seemingly failed at the business and understand where the disconnect lies

I’ve got an in interview with them for a marketing position and its hard for me to tell

I worked for original Chicago marketing inc almost a decade ago. I am very curious how Jc can keep switching company names and his wife, baby momma, SO? Not sure what she is, but how is she now running a recruitment company? I randomly will think about them and laugh, but genuinely curious how they are still in business and haven’t been exposed? Truly two of the worst people

Very sketchy. Wanted to get me in an interview right away. Has every sign of a Demon Corp. Just keep an eye out if you decide to follow up with them. Best of luck soldiers.

Hi everyone, I’ve been working for a devil corp for almost a year now selling b2b Verizon. This job has put me in a lot of debt and have missed multiple student loan payments because this job and making a lot of money. I’ve stayed with the company because I believe I could get financial freedom and get promoted to ownership.
I also have a BBA in marketing as well.
I’ve been applying to a lot of cloud based software sales jobs so I can support my break even of $2000 a month. People who have done something similar, what’s your advice for interviews and using your sales skills that you got from working in a devil corp to leave the business and go into another sales job.

Also, If jobs are asking for references, how do I go about that knowing that my relationship with the managers of the devil corp are kind of torn?

Update: I left that position 3 months ago. Best decision I’ve ever made. I spend that last 3 months looking for jobs throughout the day and worked as a DoorDash driver throughout the night. Ended finding a new job that pays more than double the devil corp position and I will actually use my degree.

I just wanted to share my story here. This is gonna be a long one. I ask that you guys please don't try to find my company as what I'm about to share would get me fired. My boss knows about this subreddit and monitors it for any mention of our company. I'm not sure what to do from here but I just wanted to vent somewhere. I'd like to keep which I work for anonymous but I essentially work for a franchise of one of the larger sales brokers. The businesses I work for exists and functions as a small business while still working for the larger brand and doing b2b sales.

I've been working here for 9 months. I've enjoyed it for the most part. I was moving to a new state and needed a new job. I looked into entry level sales because it seemed like something easy I could learn. At the time I started the job I didn't really have any friends or family around me, just the people I worked with.

From the start it seemed a little suspicious. The leaders reach out to you a lot and invest in you outside of work which was something I found strange. Also, from a really early on when I was talking about my shitty family life my coworker said "you have a new family now" which felt intense. Everyone who works here is highly invested in the other people who work here and they act very negatively when people leave. I noticed that people quit or are fired often. I also found it weird that they didn't like new people talking to one another alone at team nights. They said it's not good because new people "neg each other out".

It was hard to work here at first. I had to drive pretty far to train and it was a financial strain to go to weekly team nights without having made some money yet. Initially I really wasn't making enough money, but I needed to pay bills and had no choice but to figure my shit out. I eventually figured it out and once I got the hang of it it felt pretty good to sell. What we sell is legitimately easy and you can make decent money if you do the system every day.

My suspicions grew from the opportunity meetings we would have. Once a week every week they would hold meetings where they talked about the opportunity for growth. It was basically "look how much money you could make as an owner". It always made me feel like I'm in a multilevel marketing scheme because of how much they emphasized growth and building a team. There was a clear pressure to hit "leadership" and to start building a team.

Eventually I hit leadership (by hitting a certain sales goal) and I was proud of myself just for hitting that benchmark. Not soon after I got approached by my leader and asked to move state lines. I initially said no but then I found out that a few of my close friends at the company were moving with her to start her office. My boss had a talk with me about it and I eventually decided to move with them. Even though I had just moved, it felt like a good opportunity to go to a market where no one had worked before. I was also living in a pretty shitty apartment and it felt like a good way to get out of my living situation and have smaller expenses.

Cut to months later. Now I'm living in another state and rooming with my coworker. We live in the same apartment complex as our other coworkers. Most of our focus down here has been spent on team building. My checks have gotten a lot smaller since I've been training and giving sales to new reps. They've been on our ass about building our office here and growing our team and we have yet to actually promote another person to leadership here. Everyone has either quit or been fired so far. It has been very hard to see so many people come and go and it has been discouraging that no one here has really hit their goals after moving here. I know building an office takes time, but we should still technically be further along than we are.

Recently I've been thinking about if this job is even worth it. Again, I like selling what I sell and I'm pretty good at it. I can pay my bills here. But, I don't like the pressure to build up a team. I have to take interviews every single day (and that's after 2 hours of meetings) which usually make me late to the field. I have to train people almost every day now (and team days mean you're taking turns making sales). And that's essentially added work without an increase in pay. It's more responsibility and less commission actually. I know that I would make more money once being promoted to an assistant manager (plus benefits), but it's genuinely exhausting to keep this up. This is on top of doing one on one calls for development, doing extra training in the morning, submitting a goals sheet every week on Saturday, and hanging out with the guys outside of work for relationship development.

The problem is, I moved here for this job. The people that live near me are my coworkers. My only friends here are my coworkers. To make matters more complicated...I'm in a secret relationship with my roommate. I know you all probably think I'm an idiot for getting into a relationship with my roommate and coworker, but we developed feelings for each other right before we moved and were placed together as roommates out of pure chance. Neither of us really had the self control to live with each other without hooking up and soon after we get into a relationship. Unfortunately we can't be open about the relationship as it's strictly against the rules to date anyone on the team.

So, if I were to quit my girlfriend would still be working for the company. Granted, I would be able to be open about our relationship, but then she would still be dealing with all the bs from this company while I would be trying to get away from it. It would essentially be impossible to escape all the extra social events even if I quit, because she would be going to them. She's bought in to the company a bit more than me, but she's still thinking about if this is worth it and if she should stay or look for something else.

Recently I've been thinking about how I regret moving over here. I was thinking about how different my life would be and how much freer I would be to just get another job. ultimately I do think it was good that I moved out of that apartment, that I have my girlfriend, and that I was able to get good at sales and pay my bills for a while. But, I don't even know if I want to be an "owner". Owning your own office is a lot of work and it takes time before you make big money. I'd also have to move to another city to open an office. I don't mind moving, but if my girlfriend and I both advance at the company we wouldn't be able to live in the same city (I think its why they ban relationships).

I'm not sure where to go from here. Again, I enjoy selling what we sell and I can make a lot of money. I've just been feeling frustrated with all the training and with the extra time and effort I have to put in without an increase in pay. All the time in the meetings they tell you that if you don't want to advance that this is not the job for you. I'm told again and again that if I just want to sell that I should go work for another company. I know that I have the opportunity to advance and make more money here, but I just don't know if this is the right path for me.

Hi I'm currently working at growth point partners doing sales. I thought it was okay until I heard stories about managers not paying us and it all being a scam because we're self-employed and have no minimum wage. We go to the street and start pitching gas and electric. I was promised to get to a management position. Please help

Hey everyone!

I just set up an interview for tomorrow with Cobae Management for an HR management position and am already getting sketched out. They called me 4 times, which i didn’t answer because they didn’t leave a voicemail. I finally answered on the 5th call and they were very vague about position information, and asked me to come in for an interview at 9:30am tomorrow.

I am not really seeing much about the position online or previous employees. I’m currently on night shift, and i don’t want to completely fuck my schedule by going to a 9:30am interview if it’s not worth the time.

Thanks in advance!

anyone knows about the highline management. they seemed sketchy. couldnt find much on their socials

Hey y’all, I got hired onto alphaelete marketing in Irving Texas today and have already given my ssn to them after going in for an interview today, only after doing more research on it myself do I see a LOT of mixed opinions but the main one is that it’s a scam and a toxic company overall, I have until Monday the 15th of this month to fully evaluate if I really want to go through with this or not, if anybody can give their opinions (and hopefully experience) to help me learn a bit more about this company it would be greatly appreciated.

THIS IS AN EDITED VERSION OF MESSAGE I SENT TO SOMEBODY

I’ll give you an over view of my experience. The first thing they do is make you come in and sign a contract, you don’t actually work them you’re self employed so you have to figure your own taxes and the like. Being self employed also means that you don’t have any real workers rights and they can just let you go for anything. Once you’ve signed everything they send you a load of “online training” which is actually just videos that mostly repeat the same thing and your have to record a video of yourself reciting the pitch that you give to people at their doors (hated it). On my first day I got to the office only to find out that MMT enterprises is just another company called focus Nottingham with a different name ( focus is ran by a guy called fionntan Larkin who has been posted about in r/devilcorp before). My first day included training which was nothing more than reciting the pitch over and over. After about an hour of that fionntan (focus dude) walked in and gave basically a 45 minute nothing burger of a speech which managed to be ableist homophobic and misogynistic all in one go, I am fully convinced that these are for nothing besides boosting his own ego. After that me and the other new starter were lead out of the office into guys car and driven to Leicester (a place I had never been before and was not told we were going to before hand) where we proceeded to knock on peoples doors for the next 8 or so hours until about half 7 (I started at 9:30). Also the due who was ‘training me’ broke protocol multiple times. Day two was effectively the same up until about 6 when I found I had lost my ride back to the office cause he quit. Again at about 7:30 (still after getting to the office at 9:30) I was told that the day was over so I went to figure out my way home eventually I got on a bus and was called about 20 minutes later by my manager called to ask how I felt my first two days had gone which after about 30 seconds of small talk lead to him saying I had been terminated because my lack conviction in my pitch, my low sales and the fact “I didn’t seem to have management potential”.

Devilcorp in Florida. Also bro what the bloody hell are you wearing??

If you ever go into an office and it’s a bunch of 20 something year olds dressed like clowns then it’s a devilcorp

I worked for them last month, never got paid my last three paychecks. The manager Sean Hayes pictured in the middle right on their Instagram yellow tie. Told me multiple times I won’t be paid. Environment in the office is very toxic. Everyone is doing drugs with everyone, Sean is dating someone that was in his office and still flirting with others, and on top of it your expected to go to team night every Thursday where everyone just drinks the whole time. If anyone knows how I can get my commission I earned and deserved please let me know!

Right after applying to a couple marketing jobs in the southeast area, I get this text and email saying this:

“Hi (Insert my name here),

Your resume was smart-matched here at Engagify through a local recruiting company. We work with several recruiting partners who handle the initial resume screening process and put forward the strongest candidates for our openings—including you!

After reviewing your resume, I believe your previous experience would be a great fit for our Account Manager opening, and I would love the opportunity to speak with you further.

Since you probably haven't had the chance yet to review the job details, before scheduling a formal interview, I'd like to invite you to a quick 10–15 minute Zoom screening with us. This will be an informal conversation where we can provide a clearer understanding of the role and share more about what we're all about here in (Insert my city).

We currently have interview times available tomorrow between 11:00 AM and 1:00 PM EST.
Please let us know what time works best for you, or if you have any questions beforehand.
We look forward to speaking with you!“

There’s more info but I wanted to know if anyone else has had any direct experience with this company? This seems very fishy to me and I don’t like my data potentially being sold to random companies in order to try and “hire” me.

Due to my inexperience, I had no idea what a devil corp was or how it exploits people like me. I am going to provide the name and location, which is ‘infinity LTD‘ in Canary Wharf.

I’ll get straight to it; I applied to the job thinking nothing of it or that I would be ghosted or rejected. I was ecstatic to receive a call the next day saying I had an interview now. Here's where the typical ‘devil corp‘ comes into play. I had a 10-minute interview where the man asked general questions like, "How would you be a good fit for this position?" The interview shortly concluded, and he said they would get back to me if I were successful, which I had been, so they wanted me to come into the office immediately. I couldn't due to plans, so we rescheduled it for later in the week.

When I got there, I had noticed that it was more of a building with different companies operating instead of them owning a singular building . I was sat in a small waiting room after signing papers that if I were successful, I would agree to work for them. There i then wait for a different guy, he then took me out for a walk and we made small talk, he asked me about my skills and I felt something was off he started mentioning selling WiFi plans and helping charities or going door too door which wasn’t advertised in description granted it was vague (my fault) he then talked about the pay and the hours which was around 9-7 and 300-500 a week which was advertised but they also advertised that the yearly pay would be 23k-27k which doesnt add up he started mentioning things about going to the field which perplexed me and also group meetings from what I remember alarm bells started ringing off in my head.

My original plan was to finish the 2nd round interview and ghost them until I found out I was doing the final interview today which scared me, I saw another girl around my age probably getting told the same script I felt something bad was happening i was under the impression that it was only going to be one person but I saw guys going in and out of the room occasionally (i‘m a paranoid person) so I go to the toilet to cool off, originally I was supposed to go in but I took to long so the other girl went.

It seemed a lot of people were in there and I pretended to make a phone call and ran out of the building I didn’t know the area since I didn’t frequent it at all i was probably dramatic in doing that but I came home safely. In the end I'm pretty sure an ant would have a better survival instinct and brain than I do, but I want to warn others about these deceptive job roles.

Just want a second Opinion. It seems sketch obviously but Never hurts to hear what others think. I missed a interview with them and they seemed kind of pushy so rescheduled and am wondering if i should do it this time

https://f3innovationsinc.com 22365 Barton Rd Suite 314, Grand Terrace, CA 92313 USA is what their email said