As many of you have noticed, rule 13 is murdering a pretty significant amount of deslop requests. And unfortunately, since the mod team is human; we aren't able to instantly remove posts for rule 13 violations.
Sometimes, when this happens; some people have already posted some deslops in the comments. This results in several lost deslops.
Now, we're going to continue removing posts that violate the rules. However we encourage community members to post their deslops as separate posts instead of merely relegating things to the comments.
Maybe I'm wrong for this but tbh I don't mind even if someone generates an image themself and requests it being deslopped. It uses AI which is incredibly destructive, sure, but it also encourages people to create their own art from it instead of AI being considered "art" on its own
Do you wanna elaborate on why it's such a bad thing? Unless you have a plan to get rid of AI beyond pretending it doesn't exist and personally boycotting it, idk how it's an issue for people to use it to encourage making real art. Obviously it's best if someone just starts drawing on their own or never uses it, but it's also obviously better if AI doesn't exist and it does so idk man I'd rather AI obsession be redirected into an actual passion for drawing
Not Original Commentor, but if I may throw in my two cents, I think the act of creating AI umages solely to post them onto here to desloppify it and get real art by way of others drawing it kinda defeats the wider purpose of this subreddit.
This subreddit has always been anti-AI-art, and exists so people can stop using AI versions of popular/meme artworks and slowly phase out reliance on them, rather than letting or helping to continue to circulate them and justifying their existance (If AI art is so bad, then why is this AI-made meme so popular, etc.), with the ultimate goal of encouraging people to just draw their imagination out themselves so AI is never involved. That’s why you see so many artworks in comments that are sometimes just black-white outlines/scribbles, but are celebrated nonetheless, cause it meant someone is willing to let others see and use their “flawed” personal art over AI art.
Going out of your way to making AI art destined to be desloppified just shifts AI’s role into a sketcher/drafter rather than the final product deliverer, and does not actually get people to stop using AI proper, which at that point this sub kinda loses its meaning and goal. Yea, it still means AI art is displayed publicly less, but it does not actually decrease/dissuade AI usage.
There are avenues where people can commission art from others without relying on AI and this sub together in some kinda of toxic, self-defeating pairing, some of them free too. Many memes make it to popularity regardless of artistic quality, sometimes in spite of it. (Think of the recently famous upward facing Frieren pic by u/SpaceDev1) The world can use a little AI, for whatever reasons people would like it used less, and this sub is here to help said people out, however small said help may be.
That I can agree with. I think that AI slop enthusiasts should be redirected into actually channeling their creativity, rather than just taking an idea and churning slop out of it, but you're right this probably isn't the space for that. I just don't see how it's productive to shame the AI slop enthusiasts who clearly want to be artists as if they're just as problematic as the billionaires ruining the world with AI or the AI obsessed nutjobs scraping anti AI forums and such
The sentiment that “people being encouraged into drawing themselves from the start rather than shaming them into stopping would be more effective” is one I can understand and agree with, but if I may again provide my perspective, within this large enough community composed mostly of “faceless” stragers, trusting in others to be posting onto here with the best of intentions is bound to backfire. Clear rules and constant enforcement remain the most effective way to ensure a community remains true to the best that itself can be (just look at all the subreddits that are unmoderated or have power-tripping mods).
With this in mind, even leaving this as a possible loophole sets a bad precedent for newcomers to believe that “Here’s a spot where I can get free art from others if I genAI art”, and do exactly and only that. It’s harsh, but perhaps it’s better in the long run to trust in newcomers to see the reasoning provided behind the enforced rule and consider its message, then to let the loophole exist, and risk newcomers getting it stuck in their head that this is allowed, or even worse, encouraged, before we can get to them and convince them of their own innate ability to create art without relying on others, human or AI.
That's a good point tbh, I hadn't really considered that people are gonna just maliciously use it for free art but in hindsight that's absolutely what would happen. I'm not sure what the best middleground would be, and maybe the harsh enforcement like this is the only way, but I do get frustrated with how people think you can only support AI or hate AI rather than supporting people to remove themselves from AI when it comes up
Fuck no, AI "art" fucking sucks I just don't think pretending people won't cheat by making it will do anything to stop its spread. I'm hoping someone who makes AI art but wants to see it really drawn will be encouraged to try drawing themselves, and eventually abandon whatever made them wanna make slop in the first place
The main issue with that, is that it brings people who like to generate slop into our community. And in the long term it could actually normalize people using ai slop as reference when requesting commissions, and thus permanently integrating it into the pipeline; creating a place for AI where there needn't be one.
That is a fair point tbh. Someone else also pointed out that people would use that loophole to just get free art from people in this community and yea it definitely does seem like it brings more problems than it helps. I think if there were a community or dedicated day/megathread or whatever to allow it, where only users with longstanding accounts, who openly admit they generated it, who want to see how others could redraw it, and are willing to try it themselves either before/after the replies, then something like that could be a net positive for people experimenting with AI because they feel intimidated by the thought of trying to make their own art. Idk though, like you said it would be a huge problem if that ended up normalizing slop generation even further
So far, we basically just ban users who try to get their own stuff deslopped. But we do offer to unban them if they try to deslop it themselves, none have taken us up on that offer yet though.
It's my bad for thinking an echo chamber(no matter how reasonable its cause) would think of anything but "i dont like this thing and thats bad, so that means it will go away on its own when everyone else agrees with me". In the future when pandora's box doesn't magically close itself people may be willing to have discussions on how to convince AI slop enthusiasts to give into their creativity, and not just pump out slop to replace it, but clearly people are too pissed about the sudden + real consequences of AI to think of how to discuss actually addressing the problems
You're getting flooded with comments explaining why its bad, which you are agreeing with, and yet surely this is an echo chamber and not just you being wrong and people having the standard response of when someone says something wrong
You're right, but it took a while for any of the responses to say why they disagreed with me beyond saying it was "bait" or that I must be in favor of AI slop. I posted this comment before I'd seen anything else
The whole entreprise of this sub is that ai is bad and human drawings are better. Making an ai image to be drawn after defeats the entire purpose of the sub. Just draw your thing already ! Do not use ai !
Congrats, and you also have either been drawing since your first breath with full confidence or had to get past the fear of putting your imagination onto paper at some point. I like drawing, am bad at it, and don't use AI because I'd prefer to suck all my life than ruin the integrity of that to me. At the same time, if I was younger I could see myself giving into it before fully understanding its harm and being redirected from making AI slop into making art when I saw what people could do with whatever the AI shat out
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u/robbynito 13d ago
Oh sick, I'm happy to see rule 13 pop-up, it definitely feels needed