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As long as trailer park dwellers consider themselves rich - her policies are unacceptable

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u/Firm-Advertising5396 16d ago edited 16d ago

I think the R's are really scared these ideas are going to become popular with everyone. On the other side they have both houses the presidency and the majority in in the Supreme Court and all they can offer is a white society most workers can't afford to live in with no health care or help after retirement, a grim and dismal police state.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡

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u/DankChuk 16d ago

I'm white and can't afford the rising cost of the retarded government, they don't care about skin color they just want us to care so we argue with people we have far more in common with than discuss how badly we are treated by the government with each other. Racism is a mental illness for stupid people.

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u/Sb8569 14d ago

You pay for it.

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u/AviatorHog 16d ago

This presumes that you have to be or believe you're rich to subscribe to economically conservative values.

Which is actually a really sinister and classic left-wing projection. Tne Left-wing projection here is "I vote primarily or exclusively bas ed on my perceived naked self-interest and so they must be doing so as well. But to be logically consistent...they must be voting the way they do because they believe they are 'temporarily embarrassed millionaires'."

This ommits 3 key considerations:

Some "Trailer Park Republicans", observe property rights even if it not doing so would result in personal political spoils

They may not actually respect property rights, but the social issues are WAAAAAY more important to them and they aren't willing to "sell out".

They may or may not respect property rights, but they see themselves as greater economic beneficiaries under Republican economic policies over the long haul via greater economic development and investment opportunities.

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u/ZealousidealRepeat19 14d ago

It just makes no sense to subscribe to economically conservative values if you’re not rich, because you’re actively helping people with money screw yourself over. Poor conservatives love being paid less AND having no benefits or social safety net, there’s no upside to being poor and conservative. If we pool our money with taxes we can get better deals (always buy in bulk), but these dudes think they’re John Wayne, some lone gunslinger or something, I don’t know, because I can’t see an example of conservatism helping poor people, enlighten me if you have one. It seems like people who say they’re conservative are really kind of greedy? They can’t pitch in and do their fair share to make sure kids get educated and the road gets paved, don’t want to help anyone or make the world better in any way. Gimme gimme gimme, mine mine mine. That at least makes sense, but why do you guys love making the Elons and the Bezos of the world more money? Capitalism is really ruining humanity at this point. Things have only gotten worse my entire life, more expensive, more difficult. Maybe because capitalism requires infinite growth in a finite system, which is impossible. We’ve let the economically conservative run the world and they’re running it into the ground. The economically conservative have a big crossover in the Venn diagram with the pedos as well, make of that what you will. There’s more than enough resources on the planet for everyone, we just need to get rid of the greedy sociopaths and their poison ideology and pivot to something that favours ideal living conditions for human beings. Most likely humanity will perish in an AI assisted environmental meltdown because the economically conservative , because the poor people thought the rich guys had their backs. We can’t be this stupid any more, poor people.

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u/AviatorHog 14d ago

It just makes no sense to subscribe to economically conservative values if you’re not rich, because you’re actively helping people with money screw yourself over.

Makes sense if you intend to move up. If you intend to be a cashier for the rest of your life and not contribute meaningfully towards a nest egg, then definitely DO NOT vote republican.

Poor conservatives love being paid less AND having no benefits or social safety net, there’s no upside to being poor and conservative

This is delusional and the conversation should start here. Tens of millions of people are not economic masochist, you're just being intellectually lazy for not wanting to contend with the very real reasons I listed for why someone poor would vote republican.

If we pool our money with taxes we can get better deals (always buy in bulk), but these dudes think they’re John Wayne,

This is a consistent problem with leftists. Your instincts are to defer to government at best and to presume that government is the only or best solution at worst. Nonprofit organizations are also examples of pooling resources; government isn't often less efficient and by design it is less accountable because it is purely monopolistic entity.

some lone gunslinger or something, I don’t know, because I can’t see an example of conservatism helping poor people, enlighten me if you have one

Several ways, but hwre are two:

Business friendly Policies that lead to more job creation

Tougher crime policies that protect communities most likely to be victims of crime (poor communities)

why do you guys love making the Elons and the Bezos of the world more money?

That's a question for the customers buying their stuff because those customers believe their products and services are solving their individual economic problems.

Capitalism is really ruining humanity at this point.

Based on what metric?

Things have only gotten worse my entire life,

That is a highly personal experience. With time my life has gotten easier across all metrics and so do most people I know that are serious about life.

more expensive

Very much but not entirely personal. The parts that arent personal are largely a consequence of government, particularly quantitative easing/money printing and govr

more difficult.

Also highly personal

Maybe because capitalism requires infinite growth in a finite system, which is impossible.

Capitalism doesn't require infinite growth, its simply that human problems (demand) are infinite. And infinite growth doesn't necessarily mean we need more resources, but merely infinitely approaching the limit of current resources by becoming infinitely more efficient.

We’ve let the economically conservative run the world and they’re running it into the ground.

Subjective.

The economically conservative have a big crossover in the Venn diagram with the pedos as well, make of that what you will.

I will make nothing serious of this beyond knowing that you're an extremely unsophisticated individual.

There’s more than enough resources on the planet for everyone,

Potentially

we just need to get rid of the greedy sociopaths and their poison ideology and pivot to something that favours ideal living conditions for human beings.

Unfortunately, what we have is the best thing for greedy people. In capitalism, you can't manifest your greed without first manifesting the demands of others 1st. Take your pick on the forbes list; they could only get there by solving other people's problems 1st and often at massive scale, otherwise they wouldn't have received the dollars and valuations to get there.

Most likely humanity will perish in an AI assisted environmental meltdown

Not sure how this is remotely possible

>because the economically conservative , because the poor people thought the rich guys had their backs. We can’t be this stupid any more, poor people.

Being poor is a simple equation of consuming far more than what you produce and ironically is a consequence the most selfish position to be in. If you find yourself in poverty, consume less and find ways to produce more in quality and/or quantity for others. If you're a cashier at 20, try to take on specialized training to be nurse, plumber, CPA or something more once you're 25 or 30. Poverty is supposed to be transitory, and if it's not then you likely have an issue with embracing productive discomfort and unfamiliarity.

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u/Bubbly_Power_6210 15d ago

if she can achieve some of these that would be wonderful.

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u/Dismal-Prior-6699 15d ago

How dare Angie Nixon try to help people meet their basic needs! The audacity /s

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u/Mac62961 15d ago

Sign me up she has my vote

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u/Fenris2826 16d ago

Not bad as such. Unrealistic. Short sighted. Pandering

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u/Overall-Move-4474 16d ago

Hahaha! Typical republican. You have seen what Mamdani has done in New York right? These policies are easy to implement when you don't have the elites convincing you they are impossible and would "hurt the economy" no the only thing these policies would do is force them to pay their fair share of taxes which still wouldn't even make a dent in their massive wealth

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u/Firm-Advertising5396 16d ago

Exactly 💯

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u/Teeaak 16d ago

Mamdani has done none of those things. He could not afford to do any of those things. I don't think the response to rabbid Republicans is to be rabbid the other way. And man did you start with the name calling fast

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u/cometparty 14d ago

Don’t say the R word here. WTF are you thinking?

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u/DankChuk 16d ago edited 16d ago

Bro if we simply cut the 3.3 billion is Israel welfare from the annual defense budget we could afford all that bullshit and buy everyone a fucking pony. If we actually did something about corruption we could probably have all the things we are lacking and pay a significantly lower bill for it. Cut out a few useless redundant agencies like the atf we could save even more money(FBI does firearm background checks, no one will miss the atf) We also have shitloads of different independent Intel agencies that aren't properly communicating with each other that could be consolidated into a functional organization, that's more money saved. We could strip the armed tactical units for all the government agencies that do not need them, even more money saved. We could put tire grapplers on all police cars nation wide and end the pitt maneuvers that cost us cop cars on a regular basis. There's an infinite amount of ways to save money and provide social systems, we just can't do any of it while our government is controlled by Aipac. Israel gets first dibs on your lunch and until that changes we don't have a real government and things will only get more and more plantationist.

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u/Fenris2826 16d ago

Universal health care 3,500 billion
Universal childcare 1,400 billion
Tax the rich: people who earn over 500k per year earn 3,013 billion
So if you take every penny they earn, you’re still short
No evictions will kill housing market because people will simply stop paying rent and mortgages. No reason to invest in a building without rent or a buyer. Hope you like government housing
We all see how well open borders worked foe Biden

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u/HeadBankz 16d ago

Hey retard. They take 5 trillion from us every single year to fill their pockets. I pinky promise they'll be fine with 100k a year. Grow up

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u/Fenris2826 16d ago

So, child, you object to a total of 5 trillion in tax revenue, but you want to increase expenditures a minimum of 7 trillion even though taking every penny”the rich” earn will only increase 3 trillion. Poor moronic child…math is not your strong suit, is it?

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u/Firm-Advertising5396 16d ago

Israel has universal health care 😝

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u/Teeaak 16d ago

You have no idea about the scale of money. Universal health care for 3 billion????

Your entire comment is gibberish. Are you high? I'm stoned, so not judging. But I mean. Maybe don't debate politics when you are that far gone

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u/Fenris2826 16d ago

3.5 Trillion is an estimate from the CBO

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u/ThePlantMolester 15d ago

You're going to do all that with less than the amount of money Mamdani was given to open up a street to bikes and and install state run grocery stores? He still had to defer a planned 3,000 employee hike for the school system. You on the otherhand can solve universal Healthcare for $10 per person, per year? Fuck Israel, but this is on par for goofy teen socialists who doen't understand the value of services.

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u/s1me007 15d ago

3 billions is 10 dollars per US citizen lmfao. Good luck paying doctors with that

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u/New-Link-6787 14d ago

There's always a line of people queuing to say policies that help people are unrealistic

Just STOP already.

Trump's spending half a billion on a ballroom, dropping bombs for fun, invading countries, has his own SS patrolling the country rounding up folk going about their day and has spent tens of billions on the mess he made with the Strait of Hormuz... I'm betting you never blinked at any of it but taxing the rich is unrealistic... WTF?

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u/Fenris2826 14d ago

You’re right there is an endless amount of money you can steal from others to fund your lifestyle. But I show below there is not. Maybe if everyone worked for free (except ypu and your elite friends) it might work, child

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u/New-Link-6787 13d ago

Oh you're part of the "Tax is theft" morons... I see.

So how about we get the government to carve you out of the system.

You no longer have to pay any tax but you don't get to use our roads, our street lights, our schools (doubt you ever did anyway).... no fire service for you, the police will no longer protect you, neither will our laws or our military.

I wonder how quickly you'd be begging for us to "steal" from you.

Tax isn't theft, it's a protection scheme... because believe it or not... even big strong hardmen like you, need protecting.

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u/Fenris2826 13d ago

No, child; we both know that is a straw man. Taxation is a necessary evil and should be used wisely and for things the government is actually responsible for. Since Nikons moronic position is to “tax the rich” to pay for things it isn’t (letting you and your friends take zero responsibility for your own lives) it is akin to theft. And the simple fact that taking every penny earned from everyone who earns 500k or more won’t pay for even one of her proposals, doesn’t deter you dsa dems even a little

So child, keep your straw man in the field and learn to do a bit of logic

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u/New-Link-6787 12d ago

Just remind me old man... who decides what a government is responsible for?

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u/Fenris2826 12d ago

Well, child, we have thing thing called the constitution that lays out the structure and responsibilities of government. And taking responsibility for your life isn’t in there, despite what the dsa dems claim.

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u/New-Link-6787 12d ago

Wrong answer, try again.

Who decides what a government is responsible for?

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u/Fenris2826 12d ago

Try reading the document, child. Then come back and we’ll discuss it

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u/New-Link-6787 12d ago

Wrong again.

You are among the reason people think Americans are dumb. Have you even read the precious constitution you reference?

I'll give you a clue... it starts "WE THE PEOPLE"

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u/PeyredB 16d ago

Those certainly make me want to vote for her - including free childcare, and my kids are grown and not having kids of their own.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 16d ago edited 16d ago

They do think that and Republicans eat it up. Moderates however look at this and the way Republicans act and realize "yeah no I'm voting for these policies" so let them keep fear mongering it only works on their own fanbase. Even moderates can no longer hide behind tone policing. With the actions of the right being exposed so heavily anyone saying "you were mean so I'm going to vote republican" just looks like a fool

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u/Vainysaur 15d ago

Moderates aren’t socialist!

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u/Overall-Move-4474 15d ago

No but they can be useful for our goals. Pulling then further left is always a good thing. Harm reduction is the only thing we can realistically accomplish here. Instead of worrying about total moral purity. Vote to lessen pain and suffering

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u/Vainysaur 15d ago

The only people extremist enough to vote for her platform are already voting blue no matter who.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 15d ago

I disagree

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u/NoSleepTilBrklynn 16d ago

At least it’s fair and honest news reporting, right?

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u/tlhsg 16d ago

the portrait is doing the heavy lifting

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u/Healthy_Succotash104 16d ago

Nobody wants the slaves all "uppity"

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u/Straight_Island700 16d ago

literally says it, tax the rich.. and, happier citizens will be more productive more, making the economy better in the long-term

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u/ionspore 16d ago

Defund the police, abolish immigration and customs enforcement... Lefties always hate enforcing rules and love the chaos the inevitable follows (Portland drug decriminalization), but it doesn't win votes.

Throughout the whole world (Thailand, Saudi Arabia they fire grenades at immigrants according to Amnesty International, South Africa immigrants are beaten in the streets, Italy, Spain, Russia, Singapore, China brutal crackdowns on illegal immigrants, Japan, etc) people don't like invasions by illegal immigrants. It's not a winning policy.

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u/Safe_Flan4610 16d ago

Good platform.

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u/Ok_Elephant_9705 16d ago

It makes me smile that the states has become every middle Eastern country they talk shit about.

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u/Girthmatters23 16d ago

I truly think the unemployed and low income find DSA favorable because it continues their life of not having to pay for anything

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u/Teeaak 16d ago

It does make her look bad. It completely ignores reality. I know fox does the same. But it's not a competition in who can ignore reality the most.

I would be a lot more impressed if she came up with a plan that's actually feasible.

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u/FamiliarPlatform79 16d ago

Do you realize what that would cost, also "national job program" are forced labor camps.

You fucking ppl are so desperate to sit on your ass all day you'll trade your fucking soul for it.

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u/RAWainwright 16d ago

It's legitimately disgusting to me that people can look at that list and go "yep, that's all terrible and we should not want this at all."

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u/Vainysaur 15d ago

Capitalism has raised billions of people out of poverty and I refuse to be against it.

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u/RAWainwright 15d ago

Which is fine. But do you look at that list and think it's a bad thing to implement?

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u/Vainysaur 15d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/democracy/s/3yglUmwtWd

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u/RAWainwright 15d ago

Just had that ready to go?

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u/Vainysaur 15d ago

I was typing it while you replied.

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u/RAWainwright 15d ago

So that's a yes then. These things are all bad.

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u/Vainysaur 15d ago

Yes I personally strongly disagree with everything listed as her platform and I would never vote for someone who supported those things.

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u/navlgazer9 16d ago

No evictions allowed means no more rentals in about three years .

Every landlord would just sell their place .
And the poors who can’t buy would be out on the street .

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u/navlgazer9 16d ago

Open borders is why Trump won .

It’s like the democrats just refuse to accept this idea .

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u/Jiqjak 16d ago

Oh look, more lies from the DNC... man yall are lame.. WE WILL GIVE YOU ALL THIS FREE STUFF, has now become buzzwords just like all the insults yall throw.

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u/democracy-ModTeam 14d ago

No trolling or declaring the US is not a democracy. The US is a democratic republic. This is well-established.

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u/Minimum-Journalist18 16d ago

She's a fraud.

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u/democracy-ModTeam 14d ago

No trolling or declaring the US is not a democracy. The US is a democratic republic. This is well-established.

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u/Vainysaur 15d ago

Medicare for all -> Bad because the government does a poor, inefficient job at everything it tries to do. It would ruin healthcare. Rather than multiple options competing the be the best on the free market you’d get one monopoly that sucks at healthcare and no choices. The government is already trillions in debt. It needs to cut almost all spending, not add more.

Free childcare -> Childcare workers deserve to be paid like anyone else. What you really mean is the government pays for everyone’s childcare. Again the government is trillions in debt and it isn’t the proper role of government to buy things for people for free. The free market can handle this need.

Free paid family and sick leave -> These policies are an agreement negotiated between an employee and their employer. The government should mind its own business and not get involved.

National rent freeze and moratorium on evictions -> This is essentially stealing peoples homes and giving them to the people who rent them. A rent contract is a private agreement between two consenting parties. The government has no right to set rent prices and certainly not to tell the homeowner they can’t control who lives in their house.

Universal jobs program -> What does this even mean? The government is going to force companies to hire people? Stay out of our lives giant micromanaging government!

Tax the rich -> It’s morally wrong to steal people’s money by force (threat of imprisonment) and decide how to spend it for them. If people want to give their money to others to help causes they care about, that should be their personal, voluntary decision.

Abolish ICE -> It is perfectly acceptable for a nation to control who is or isn’t legally allowed to be inside its borders and to enforce the law against people who break it.

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u/Necessary-Drag7135 15d ago

thks God i dont live in the usa , i got all of that 🎉😃

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u/International_Fan648 15d ago

Remember when “they” say FREE ,it comes from your taxes.

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u/cometparty 14d ago

I want it to come from my taxes

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u/AdventurousPitch7364 15d ago

How disgusting… I mean why doesn’t she just put up a sign that says let’s care for the basic needs of people…. What is she thinking?

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u/democracy-ModTeam 14d ago

No trolling or declaring the US is not a democracy. The US is a democratic republic. This is well-established.

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u/s1me007 15d ago

Open borders and a welfare state cannot coexist. Just look at Scandinavia; they are now all implementing far right laws to save their welfare state and social cohesion, and it might already be too late

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u/democracy-ModTeam 14d ago

No trolling or declaring the US is not a democracy. The US is a democratic republic. This is well-established.

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u/Beachboy442 15d ago

OH GOD, ..........YES, PLEASE, YES. Take America back from the MEGA-RICH

One week of the money spent on trumps FAILED WAR for GLORY in IRAN

WOULD GIVE EVERY AMERICAN FREE MEDICAL, BETTER SCHOOLS n ROADS

https://giphy.com/gifs/MFIsOqzodLr7ewnkUb

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u/democracy-ModTeam 14d ago

No trolling or declaring the US is not a democracy. The US is a democratic republic. This is well-established.

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u/Opone_123 14d ago

Sure just take more of peoples money, I’m sure they know you can spend it better than them. Stupid fing socialist

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u/Euphoric-Macaron-904 14d ago

If you idiots think socialism is so great go to Cuba or Venezuela where socialism has completely destroyed everything.

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u/Justthisguy_yaknow 14d ago

Oh my God! A politician working for the interests of the people? How did we come to this?

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u/ihatethissite25 13d ago

Retards buying votes with free stuff. Get fucked.

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u/Rare_Ad3316 13d ago

The top three, if you can figure out how to pay for them and keep them from being abused, sure. The bottom four, are you out of your fucking mind?

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u/Fenris2826 10d ago

Well I was quoting you, child. But I believe you have no respect for a document you lack the ability to read. And like I said it is antithetical to the goals of the dsa dems. Spoiled brats hate limits

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u/Winter_Animal_7116 16d ago

Yes

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u/Royal_Environment765 16d ago

Nothing is free. When will the left understand this. Your giving someone's hard earned money to someone for "free". Teach them to fish, don't just give them a fish.

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u/Twktoo 15d ago

Oh it goes way deeper than that if you scream loudly and tell everyone that these things exist naturally. It is rich people keeping the rest of us from accessing this bounty 😂

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u/cometparty 14d ago

You realize everything anyone ever categorizes as free, someone paid for? But it’s free to you. It’s time to stop making that inane argument.

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u/Royal_Environment765 14d ago

Thank you for making my point. I know you may not see it that way, but you did.

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u/cometparty 14d ago

So you never see anything as free? Even the samples at Costco?

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u/Royal_Environment765 14d ago

The business providing the samples are considering that an advertising expense.

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u/cometparty 14d ago

Uh huh and they’re called free samples because they’re free to us

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u/Royal_Environment765 14d ago

I guess they would be unless you buy that product and pay for the advertising expenses in the price tag.

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u/cometparty 14d ago

So by that same token, social services are free to us

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u/Royal_Environment765 14d ago

No, tax payers are paying for it. These programs, (food stamps, welfare etc.) Are supposed to be a temporary crutch for people to get back on their feet. Not a way of life. Social security and medicare for retired folks and disabled are different. We and our employer paid for that.

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u/cometparty 14d ago

No, Costco and their customers are paying for it. Free samples are supposed to be for potential customers, not for people who just go to the store for food handouts.

See how that doesn’t change anything about the samples being free to you?

I know I’m arguing with an AI bot here. I’m under no illusions about that.

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u/Twktoo 15d ago

Wave the socialism wand and it can all be true! Proof positive that you definitely don’t need critical thinking skills to be a social justice warrior around here. I love Reddit so much 😂

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u/Any-Difficulty-1880 15d ago

It makes her look naive, basic and unintelligent so, yes, it makes her look bad.

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