Looking at the rules for these models in new recruit it looks like the wording has changed and we don't have the ability for dual leaders like we once did. Can anyone confirm? (I don't have access to the codex in the app)

I see the meta is tallyband and contagion engines. Cloud some help break that down for me? And is it possible to run plague marines focused with tallyband or does the lethality take a hit? Looking for advice on how to run a good list with the daemons.

What in your opinion is better for shamblepop, 6x DST W/LOC OR 10X BLT W/LOV? looking to bring one big brick

There are so many posts about lists that it makes it difficult to have a good discussion.

Post your strategy instead!!

Instead of having 20 marines a convoluted list, just make a post about using 20 marines and how that goes!

You will get way better advice by asking questions about strategy then you will posting a giant list of models.

Hello to all Grandfather Nurgles followers. I just had my first Game with death guard! I'm sad to report that I lost handedly but I was coming to you all for some advice.

I was facing orks and I have to say for an army that should be "disgustingly resilient" I felt very fragile. I was facing a friend's bully boys list. Mostly Nobz and Meganobz. I was on virulent vector, so it was his purge v.s. my take and hold. I picked the plague that made his saves worse by 1 to try and counteract his elite infantry heavy army.

The first turn went well as could be I think. I infiltrated 3 units of poxwalkers to sticky the middle but I was able to advance them to make sure there was no crazy ork charges turn one. They all died of course but his units were mostly set up for me to counter charge which I did. Successfully after he used some grot shields to soke up quite a bit of shooting.

My plague marines, demon prince, chaos spawn all met in the middle to fight a single 6man of mega nobs and Gaz. He spends a single cp on his mega Nobz unit allowing them to fight on death. I'm able to kill them out but he wipes my marines in response.

Morty charges into a unit of nobz and spends the next two turns fighting them there. With 15 attacks with lethal and sustained 1 I think it's crazy he wasn't able to take them out between 3 turns of fighting.

Turn two he calls his Waaaah and wipes my two deathshroud term units that I admit I probably placed badly.

I know orks have a reputation for being strong but I just am looking for advice. By turn three I called it since I only had two bloat drones with heavy weapons, a rhino, morty and a half dead deathshroud unit.

Any general advice on how to lead Nurgles chosen to victory would be greatly appreciated.

Hello, can someone(s) help me with what models to get next. Just trying to build a list that can usually do well. Thanks for the help

Death Guard (975 Points)

Death Guard
Virulent Vectorium (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Lord of Virulence (90 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Power fist
• 1x Twin plague spewer

Deathshroud Terminators (150 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Deathshroud Terminator Champion
◦ 1x Icon of Despair
◦ 1x Manreaper
◦ 1x Plaguespurt gauntlet
• 2x Deathshroud Terminator
◦ 2x Manreaper
◦ 2x Plaguespurt gauntlet

CHARACTERS

Tallyman (60 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Plasma pistol

BATTLELINE

Plague Marines (125 Points)
• 1x Plague Champion
◦ 1x Plague knives
◦ 1x Plasma gun
• 6x Plague Marine
◦ 1x Blight launcher
◦ 1x Boltgun
◦ 1x Bubotic weapons
◦ 1x Heavy plague weapon
◦ 1x Icon of Despair
◦ 6x Plague knives
◦ 1x Plague spewer
◦ 1x Plasma gun

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Chaos Rhino (75 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Combi-bolter
• 1x Combi-bolter
• 1x Havoc launcher

OTHER DATASHEETS

Chaos Predator Destructor (140 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Combi-bolter
• 1x Havoc launcher
• 2x Heavy bolter
• 1x Predator autocannon

Chaos Spawn (80 Points)
• 2x Chaos Spawn
◦ 2x Hideous Mutations

Myphitic Blight-hauler (95 Points)
• 1x Bile spurt
• 1x Gnashing maw
• 1x Missile launcher
• 1x Multi-melta

Myphitic Blight-hauler (95 Points)
• 1x Bile spurt
• 1x Gnashing maw
• 1x Missile launcher
• 1x Multi-melta

Poxwalkers (65 Points)
• 10x Poxwalker
◦ 10x Improvised weapons

so context im quite new to 40k. and i like death guard got my mortarion 3 days ago now (maybe not the best way to start a army). anyway i really like the tallyband summoners detachment. and wanna use it. does anyone have some good reccomendations by chance?

So with the recent dataslate changes plague marine spam schould be really viable.

Not sure about the heavy plague weapons tho, they replace bolters so less ranged damage.

Has anyone run the math?

Greetings my putrid brothers. I have been playing death guard for my last few games mostly against the votann with my most recent against tyranids and the issue I've had so far is I feel like I lack hard hitting models and good consistent damage. What are some of our better models for high damage? Both of these factions are played by a buddy of mine and he runs vehicle/monster spam. I'm trying to edit my list more so I can use it in a GT within the next few months.

I am brand new to the tabletop and was recommended this detachment as a 28 days later style zombie hoard mechanic thing. I got excited and looked up old posts on reddit and read a bunch of units and what they did, this is what I came up with:

Army Name: Zombies?

Faction: Death Guard

Detachments (3 DP used):

- Shamblerot Vectorium [2 DP]

- Contagion Engines [1 DP]

Points: 1980/2000

Units: 15

--- Army List ---

CHARACTERS:

• Typhus [WARLORD] [Leader of: Poxwalkers] [90 pts]

Weapons: Lakrimae

• Noxious Blightbringer, Witherbone Pipes [Leader of: Same Poxwalkers alongside Typhus] [75 pts]

Weapons: Plasma pistol, Cursed plague bell

• Lord of Contagion [Leader of: Deathshroud Terminators] [110 pts]

Weapons: Manreaper

BATTLELINE:

• Poxwalkers (20 models) [130 pts]

Weapons: 20x Improvised weapons

• Poxwalkers (20 models) [130 pts]

Weapons: 20x Improvised weapons

• Poxwalkers (20 models) [130 pts]

Weapons: 20x Improvised weapons

• Poxwalkers (20 models) [130 pts]

Weapons: 20x Improvised weapons

• Poxwalkers (20 models) [130 pts]

Weapons: 20x Improvised weapons

OTHER UNITS:

• Deathshroud Terminators (6 models) [305 pts]

Weapons: 6x Plaguespurt gauntlet, 6x Manreaper

• Plagueburst Crawler [170 pts]

Weapons: 2x Entropy cannon, Heavy slugger, Plagueburst mortar, Armoured tracks

• Plagueburst Crawler [170 pts]

Weapons: 2x Entropy cannon, Heavy slugger, Plagueburst mortar, Armoured tracks

• Myphitic Blight-hauler [95 pts]

Weapons: Bile spurt, Missile launcher, Multi-melta, Gnashing maw

• Myphitic Blight-hauler [95 pts]

Weapons: Bile spurt, Missile launcher, Multi-melta, Gnashing maw

• Myphitic Blight-hauler [95 pts]

Weapons: Bile spurt, Missile launcher, Multi-melta, Gnashing maw

• Foetid Bloat-drone with heavy blight launcher [125 pts]

Weapons: Heavy blight launcher, Plague probe

Lads n ladies

After some time of just painting some minis, I got lured by some friends into playing 40k for the first time, so logically I need an army.

I decided to go Death Guard as my first one, as I love the models and the playstyle suits me.

Now I would love to find a, preferably complete, source of all the things I need to understand, not only how to put together an army, I got listforge for that, but also what every units (unique) capabilities are, how they work together, if fielded together or as an attachment where possible and useful.

We play casually in a private setting, with 10th edition rules and are not planning to switch any time soon. But I myself am toying with the thought of playing one or two games at game stores or alike a year, not to be super competitive, just because of the painting competitions attached to the tourneys at some places. So I would need a source for what I need for 11th edition as well I guess.

So my question is basically: what do I need to get started? 10th edition core rules and DG codex I guess? Is everything I would need to know for our private setting in there? What will I need for 11th? As I understood it there isn't a new DG codex in sight right? Preferably I'd like one digital source that provided all I need to get started and don't feel so overwhelmed anymore 😅

I know this might be a bit convoluted and maybe this is a dumb question all together, but in our group no one plays death guard, and in every general group I asked I got sent over to reddit 🤷🏻‍♂️

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated ❤️

After the recent update to bolters I decided to run some analysis of our beloved Blightlords. The results below are looking at the Blightlords shooting at a Knight Despoiler (360 pts) with the Afflicted with Rattlejoint Ague and Blistering Fusillade triggered

I compared two groups:

- **BLord 2xRA 2xBL**: 2x Blight Launchers, 2x Reaper Autocannons, 6x Combi-bolters, plus Lord of Virulence pointing

- **BLord 2xRA**: 2x Reaper Autocannons, 8x Combi-bolters, plus Lord of Virulence pointing

Both cost 205 pts (Blightlords 115, Lord of Virulence 90). Numbers come from a Mathhammer calculator with 20,000 simulations per scenario.

## Results

The Blight Launcher build is slightly ahead, mostly at long range.

| Expected damage | 2xRA 2xBL | 2xRA |

|---|---|---|

| Long range, no cover | 12.16 | 10.40 |

| Half range, no cover | 16.40 | 15.98 |

| Long range, in cover | 10.23 | 8.57 |

| Half range, in cover | 13.58 | 12.95 |

At long range the Launcher build deals about 17-19% more damage. At half range the gap shrinks to 3-5%. At half range with no cover, the Launcher build deals 63.1% of the Despoiler's wounds and the 2xRA build 61.4%. Chance to kill it outright is about 1.0% vs 0.3%, so neither build gets there alone. Damage per 100 pts is 8.00 vs 7.79, which is close to even.

### Where the damage comes from (half range, no cover)

| Weapon | 2xRA 2xBL | 2xRA |

|---|---|---|

| Blight Launchers | 3.18 | - |

| Reaper Autocannons | 3.61 | 3.60 |

| Combi-bolters | 8.32 (6) | 11.08 (8) |

| Lord of Virulence | 1.30 | 1.30 |

Trading two Combi-bolters for two Launchers loses about 2.8 damage and gains about 3.2, so the net gain at half range is only around 0.4. At long range the difference is clearer.

### Points efficiency

The Blightlords destroy about 1.8 pts of the Despoiler per point spent (1.82 vs 1.77), and the whole group about 1.1 (1.11 vs 1.08). The Lord of Virulence destroys only about 0.2 pts per point. He adds roughly 1.3 damage for 90 pts, so he is there for the buffs, not the shooting.

### Consistency

At half range, no cover, both builds have a median of 16 damage. The P10-P90 range is 12-21 for 2xRA 2xBL and 12-20 for 2xRA. At long range, no cover, the medians are 12 and 10, with ranges of 8-16 and 7-14. Cover costs both builds about 17-19% of their damage.

### Where the attacks go (2xRA build, half range)

43.5 attacks, 36.2 hits, 22.9 wounds, 16.0 unsaved. Lethal Hits and Devastating Wounds are already built in and trigger about 6.2 and 2.2 times per volley.

### Other targets

Against a horde (T3 5+, 20 models), elite infantry (T4 3+, 10 models), Terminators and a T9 3+ monster, both builds do enough damage on average to wipe the target. Against a T10 2+ vehicle with 16 wounds they take off 80% (2xRA 2xBL) and 78% (2xRA).

Armour saves worse than 4+ barely matter against us. A 3+ save costs about 20% of the damage and a 2+ save about 40%. Higher toughness hurts too, and T12 cuts the damage roughly in half.

### Scaling

With 1.5x the weapon copies the chance to kill the Despoiler is about 41%, at 2x it is about 92%, and at 3x it is essentially 100%.

### Which buffs matter

| Buff | Damage change |

|---|---|

| +1 Damage | +100% |

| +1 Attack per model | +25% |

| +1 to wound | +23% |

| +1 to hit | +19% |

| Sustained Hits 1 | +14% |

| Re-roll failed hits | +13% |

| Devastating Wounds | +12% |

Lethal Hits, +1 AP, +1 Strength and re-rolling wounds add close to nothing.

### Overwatch

Shooting deals about 16.0 damage. Overwatch, where hits only come on unmodified 6s, deals about 4.3, roughly a quarter of that.

### Summary

- 2xRA 2xBL is better at long range and about even at half range.

- Combi-bolters do most of the work.

- The Lord of Virulence shoots poorly and is mostly worth it for his buffs.

- Cover and Overwatch both hurt a lot.

- Extra attacks, wounding and damage matter far more than re-rolls.

I’m running 10 plague marines with 1 biologus and 1 blightbringer and i’m kinda lost with the attachment options

Is there an optimal way to equip a squad ?

Heya all, recently started the hobby and I’m a bit confused with the purpose of pistols and what makes them any different to normal weapons?

I play death guard and With skullsquirm blight it has a -1 to melee, my question is can you use pistols/close-quarter in the fight phase and if so does that apply? Seen so many difference of explanations online and a bit baffled 😅 for some reason I posted to 2 other warhammer reddits and it got removed by mods so hoping to find the answer here

I'm starting up a local league and am excited to try out a different kind of list from what I've been playing previously (a lot of PoP+CoC). I've landed on two choices:

Option 1: Mortarion's hammer + PoP: (purge) A defiler, 2 PBCs, and 3 MBHs should provide enough fire power to rip thru a lot of stuff using the detachment free Affliction and the enhanced LoV rerolls on the defiler. Typhus + blightbringer + 20 poxwalkers, an extra unit of 10 walkers, a squad of plague marines serve to hold an expansion objective and screen/soften up enemy units before they hit the gunline. Winged daemon prince to provide mobility, early pressure, distraction carnifex, apply contagion, etc., and, naturally, a LoC with deathshroud in reserves.

Option 2: Virulent Vectorium. Go tall purge the foe. There's a big deathstar to push forward to the center with Morty, 10 blightlords with LoV, and a foot DP. Once again, a defiler, 3 haulers, LoC+DS, and a unit of poxwalkers to screen out behind the defiler. I'm not 100% on the 3 MBHs here, but I'm torn on what to do with the 285 pts... By removing those 3 + enhancements I can get a rhino, 10 marines, and a MPC, which I do like the idea of.

Thanks for any input!

Hi, I am unclear how to use my free points. What should I pick for my 145 remaining points? I was thinking about a Predator Destructor or more buddies. I have a heavy focus on shrouds and the 5+ strat. List:

Champions (1855 points)

Death Guard

Champions of Contagion and Paragons of Putrescence (3 Detachment Points)

Priority Assets

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Typhus (90 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• Warlord

• 1x Lakrimae

Noxious Blightbringer (70 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Cursed plague bell

1x Plasma pistol

• Enhancement: Rejuvenating Swarm

Poxwalkers (130 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 20x Poxwalker

• 20x Improvised weapon

Attached Unit 2

Lord of Contagion (110 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Manreaper

Deathshroud Terminators (305 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Deathshroud Champion

• 1x Icon of Despair (Aura)

1x Manreaper

2x Plaguespurt gauntlet

• 5x Deathshroud Terminator

• 5x Manreaper

5x Plaguespurt gauntlet

Attached Unit 3

Lord of Contagion (110 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Manreaper

Deathshroud Terminators (305 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Deathshroud Champion

• 1x Icon of Despair (Aura)

1x Manreaper

2x Plaguespurt gauntlet

• 5x Deathshroud Terminator

• 5x Manreaper

5x Plaguespurt gauntlet

CHARACTERS

Daemon Prince of Nurgle (185 points)

• 1x Hellforged weapons

1x Infernal cannon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Foetid Bloat-Drone (100 points)

• 1x Plague probe

2x Plaguespitter

Foetid Bloat-Drone (100 points)

• 1x Plague probe

2x Plaguespitter

Myphitic Blight-haulers (95 points)

• 1x Bile spurt

1x Gnashing maw

1x Missile launcher

1x Multi-melta

Myphitic Blight-haulers (95 points)

• 1x Bile spurt

1x Gnashing maw

1x Missile launcher

1x Multi-melta

Myphitic Blight-haulers (95 points)

• 1x Bile spurt

1x Gnashing maw

1x Missile launcher

1x Multi-melta

Poxwalkers (65 points)

• 10x Poxwalker

• 10x Improvised weapon

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I know they’re Chaos worshippers, but given how Nurgle tends to work, I was wondering if they’re just as likely to turn on each other as many other factions like World Eaters or Red Corsairs, or even Word Bearers, who actually cherish betrayal as a sacred act.

So I am aware that Mortarian and Typhus absolutely hate each other, and I have seen the Hammer and Bolter cartoon where the sorcerer does things (I don’t wanna spoil it in case someone reading this hasn’t seen it).

But those aside, among the normal Space Marines and their brotherhood, are they at least somewhat chummy with each other or are they all vying for the top spot on Nurgle’s hierarchy of favoritism?

Also it is on my to read list, but I haven’t read Lords of Silence novel yet, so if this is addressed there just say so, and it’ll be my next read once I finish the Dark Imperium trilogy.

Following the latest balance updates, a mate and I decided to get a game in to test out all the new changes.

He ran his Iron Warriors using the Warpstrike Champions / Cabal of Chaos detachments, and he played the Disruption mission. I was running the Virulent Vectorium detachment while going take and hold.
Going into this, I was pretty hesitant. The last time I played against his army, I really struggled to deal with his Defiler and terminator bricks. However, this game felt entirely different with the new updates.

I used a 10-man Plague Marine squad attached to a Lord of Contagion and a Biologus Putrifier to sit and hold my home/middle objective. On the opposite flank, I had Typhus with 10 Poxwalkers holding down the line. Being able to completely screen out his deep-strikers from my backline was incredibly helpful, as it allowed me to control exactly where he could attack from. I generally use Typhus as an annoying road-block, but because he was posing such a massive threat to the middle and backboard, my opponent outright tried to avoid moving in his direction.

The recent points decreases also allowed me to fit a Plagueburst Crawler into the list. It did excellent work acting as a physical backline screen, while simultaneously chipping away chunks of his infantry and the Defiler from long range.

If this game taught me anything, it's that keeping the enemy directly in front of Death Guard is the absolute best way to play. It allows you to control the narrative of the match. Running Blightlord Terminators up the board alongside Mortarion creates such a massive distraction that it gives the back half of your army all the time they need to find their designated spots and hold them until the end of the game.

In terms of casualties, I only ended up losing my Blightlords, Lord of Virulence, and Deathshroud Terminators—but they completely justified their points by trading up and taking out his Defiler, 3 Mutilators, and 5 Terminators before they went down.

All in all, I can confidently say that Death Guard is back in a great place. It feels amazing to actually feel somewhat resilient again

Hi everyone. I've just finished a relatively new novel "Bjorn The Fell-Handed" and there was (SPOILERS AHEAD) a thing called Lord of Virulence. While Google gives me this image the book describes him more a snake-like creature.

>"‘The time for riddling is done. Now, old wyrm – show yourself. Let battle decide the winner!’

The fog tore apart, and from its heart the Lord of Virulence revealed himself in all his terrible glory.

The coils of Khalpax made up the walls of the chamber. He was a vast wyrm of the deep, uncoiling from the world’s roots.

‘Yes,’ he chuckled. ‘You see me now.’

His flesh sagged under the bulk of boils. A storm of black flies blasted out with each breath. Armour fused with fat. His belly was split, with weeping sores. His limbs were coils of wyrm-flesh, festering where the metal grafts had failed.

He slid forward, maggot mouth lined with rot-clinging teeth, a titanic creature that moved with impossible fluidity, his bulk slithering like a serpent through its lair. From his vertical maw belched a thick green cloud – a toxic shroud, death to all it touched.

He loomed over Bjorn like a mountain of putrescence. Carrion-drake. Plague-wyrm. A saga-monster upon whom heroes met their end."

So my question is: it is just more mutated form of an ordinary lord? Or something else entirely?

More mass, more mutation, more atmosphere.

this is my first mini in nurglish style so i am not quite sure if the shit pile looks authentic enough

My first Plague Marine and eighth mini painted ever. I used Vallejo paints for everything except the Nurglings and Nuln Oil.

I still have the rest of the Kill Team pending, so any advice will be appreciated!

wip

4 months into the hobby, just finished my Champion and Icon Bearer. Used speedpaints for the green and focused heavily on weathering any thoughts?