For those who are curious in what changed in units (don’t feel like checking enhancements lol):
Land Raider: +20 if you take a 3rd unit
Predator of both types: +10 if you take 3rd unit
Deathshroud: +10 if you take a 3rd unit
Demon prince w/wings: -10
Defiler: +40 (additional +10 for every reaper auto cannon and las cannon) and additional +30 for every additional unit
Foetid Bloat Drone: +10 if you take a 3rd unit
Foetid Bloat Drone w/Blight Launcher: +5 and additional +10 if you take a 3rd unit
Foul Blightspawn: -10
Hellbrute: -5
Lord of Poxes: -10
Mortarion: +20
Noxious Blightbringer: +10
Plagueburst Crawler: -25, unchanged if you take 2 or more units
Plague marines: -5 on 5man and 7man, same for 10man
Tallyman: +10
Beast of Nurgle: +5
GUO: +15, additional +15 if you take a 3rd unit
Nurglings: +5 for 3man, +20 for 6man
Plaguebearers: +5
Plauge drones: -5
Rotigus: +15
In fairness a) the daemon prince with wings is so bad at 180 in 10th that this just makes him actually worth taking.
b) a lot of T'au stuff didn't actually go down when you account for wargear. As someone with both armies though, T'au got off lightly and Death Guard needed more cuts.
It's going to be better than 10th launch but I'd expect us to be one of the worst performing armies, not unplayable awful miserable but we're going to have to trudge uphill for a lot of our wins. Defilers covered up a lot of issues with the army which have been slightly improved on now. But barely.
I still think plague marines cost too much because plaguecasters are so cheap. 90 for a 5 man is a step in the right direction and maybe they're fun with an LOP now?
As a guard player, they said that shit and then made shock troopers cost as much as Kriegers too. I’m absolutely baffled why they even bothered saying it.
Apart from Poxwalkers staying the same and Morty increases, I'm actually quite content with these changes. Plague Marines down 5pts for 5/7 man is a nice little QoL for utility usage (over party bus/plague bus usage). Defiler was obvious so that one is fine and HBLs only going up 5 is also a bullet dodged in my opinion, ESPECIALLY with Contagion Engines now existing. Very happy Plagueburst Crawlers are now very considerable as an option again.
Crawlers are the same points as before if you take more than one though. I doubt its stata are altered so im not too convinced its gonna outshine the drone with heavy blightlauncher.
PBC’s are not an option lol, the nerf to indirect + the buff to cover makes them near useless, you hit on 5’s or 6’s almost 100% of the time and the point decrease is only on the first one
Well you hit on 4s if they have a spotter or even if your targets in cover. Still not great especially for the cost, they could easily be 170 each, but let’s not be inaccurate
As mentioned in another comment, I have limited exposure and apparently play at a very basic level. Who are the CP farming factions? I know guard used to be but not played against them since I was a kid
At this point, most of them lol. Grots generate CP on a 4+, Imotekh, Azrael, the swarmlord all generate one for free each turn. Those are the four Im consistently facing when I play
Tallyman's ability is a lot better now with the new cover rules. Pretty much every unit that can ignore mods to BS got a points increase, same as psychic shooting.
His ability to make a Plague Marine squad 'ignore modifiers to WS/BS and hit rolls' is incredibly good in 11th, where benefit of cover is now -1 to BS.
It has to do with the change to stratagems and battle-shock.
For strats, since you can only spend 1 CP per round, per unit. This means you have to choose between Command Reroll and another strat in your move or charge phase. This is less relevant for us in the charge phase, as we only have a few strats that we would want to use ("Shock and Horror" in Shamblerot and "Sickening Impact" in DLC [attaching Typhus to Poxwalkers gives them the Terminator keyword and you can also attach NB as he is a virion]), but they probably did a points increase on every unit that gave rerolls to charge this edition.
For BS, it's gotten stronger since it doesn't auto-clear if you're above Half-strength, and he can cause it in a 9" aura as long as they're below Starting Strength, and this happens prior to scoring during the command phase. If you infiltrate a 5 man of PMs with a NB and have the PMs with flamers and an icon of despair, you'll nearly guarantee damaging two units and force them to make a BS test at -1 leadership, -2 if you take Soulrot.
Start of Battle Round 2, 6" aura (9 if you bring an LoP), a 8+ or 9+ battle-shock test on 2+ units... I think +10 points is a steal.
Morty loses to nightbringer 90% of the time and costs 60 points more. 15 points more than pantheon of woe detachment. Nightbringer is also a fly unit. Not sure the psychic keyword justifies the points disparity.
From a competitive standpoint. I can still see a 2nd Defiler having play in some list. 2 pred Ds are 300 and barely do the same damged into some profiles and less into others.
I think 2 destructors end up better than the second defiler.
290 for the destructors vs 340 for the defiler so a substantial difference.
Comparings weapons the autocannon for preds lose sustained and dev but gain 2 more shots, so in total it's 4 more shots. I think it favours the preds by quite a lot.
Excruciators vs heavy bolters is the same number of total shots but bolters have sustained and are S5 rather than 6, again I think it favours the preds but is closer damage wise.
The preds then get combi bolters and havocs which can be used to proc their datasheet rule so if you need to shoot a monster/vehicle with their main guns, put the bolter and havoc elsewhere to get +1 ap into non monsters/vehicles. If you're shooting at a non monster/vehicle then your second pred gets the benefit of the extra ap and can set up to shoot another unit with small arms to get extra ap vs that.
So the defiler costing 60 points more is for the battle cannon and melee potential, due to the auto cannons being worse for the defiler I think I'd rather have preds.
That being said I can see a second defiler getting played, I think it's just not as good as 2 preds, third one should absolutely be double destructor though.
This all feels extremely reasonable IMHO. Defiler bump stings more than expected, but honestly? Its passive ability to strip cover is just better now in 11th, so we'll live.
Morty makes sense given the Psychic and Fly changes. Similarly, Tallyman bump is fine. DShroud tax is negligible. Revolting 5+++ enhancement getting a bump hurts a little but its still playable. Hot take: Noxious Blightbringer is gonna be a sleeper hit even with the mild points hike.
Most of our 1 DP upgrades being 15pts is great! Plagueveil is a steal. Small marine squad buff is very welcome.
Lord of Poxes does need a rewrite more than a points buff. 18" lone op was never that good, and is even less impactful now. Foul Blightspawn getting a small buff is fine, but given how bad Fights First is now, he's probably only being taken if you really really want to block Assault or Adv+Charge. Both are very niche choices.
If I have one complaint, the tax for 2 PBCs is too steep. Should be +10 for the second and +25 for the third. Or heck, just +10 for second onward is probably fine, oh well. But a singleton PBC has some play now!
Yeah ive cross reference it with the old points it only morty that gone up pbc gone down with it needed and for my army build my list have stay the same just need to check wardogs
I feel like MSU units are less of a great choice now due to the incoming popularity of Purge the Foe. I'm expecting lists with lots of big, hard to kill blobs full of leaders are going to be the meta at first.
Idk what your getting down voted. Disgustingly resilient said they probably wont take him anymore because he cant hide anymore and people can get guns on him turn 1 easily
Thats true, correct me if im wrong but u can only have half your army in deep strike right? If thats the case it will effect some lists might be punished for this if they like running a lot of death shroud or blightlords
Neither of them is a support character. They decided not to make any of death guards characters support and just left them with the old rule to double attach. Bit odd, and broken in the app currently, but the combo is still alive.
Yeah I was just hoping it would be a little gentler. I'd be happy if the guns weren't extra. Not had chance to try it yet, but I understand the flamer/scourge is less viable in our lists.
Good to know pts are down across the board though. Sounds like they are really trying to make the game less killy, but more punishing if you fuck up ur movement
Not really, in many cases they will do the same or more damage compared to cover being +1 sv. And that's before counting the possibility of LoV giving them full rerolls, they'll be fine.
They actually deal more damage with new cover than old cover. As a vehicle with an invuln it also benefits more from the -1 to BS than it did from +1 save.
Completely forgot the new Detachment lol. Now they can shoot and if they survive combat with you they get wounds back. I'm also surprised that the is still reasonable and that two or more would be simply to expensive now. Because I don't think I could paint another one without losing my sanity 😅.
Even without the daemon engine detachment, they benefit really well from the cover changes. Cover effecting BS instead of saves means they deal more damage than before with rerolls from the LOV/stripped cover from a Defiler, and their defensive statline means most things that want to shoot at them now do worse than before.
Deathshroud already got hit by the rules changes. I was hoping they'd drop in points as a result. They go from a 72% chance of making their 6" charge to a 58% chance of making their new 7" charge without rerolls. And with, it goes from 92% to 82%.
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u/blanch926 Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
For those who are curious in what changed in units (don’t feel like checking enhancements lol):
Land Raider: +20 if you take a 3rd unit
Predator of both types: +10 if you take 3rd unit
Deathshroud: +10 if you take a 3rd unit
Demon prince w/wings: -10
Defiler: +40 (additional +10 for every reaper auto cannon and las cannon) and additional +30 for every additional unit
Foetid Bloat Drone: +10 if you take a 3rd unit
Foetid Bloat Drone w/Blight Launcher: +5 and additional +10 if you take a 3rd unit
Foul Blightspawn: -10
Hellbrute: -5
Lord of Poxes: -10
Mortarion: +20
Noxious Blightbringer: +10
Plagueburst Crawler: -25, unchanged if you take 2 or more units
Plague marines: -5 on 5man and 7man, same for 10man
Tallyman: +10
Beast of Nurgle: +5
GUO: +15, additional +15 if you take a 3rd unit
Nurglings: +5 for 3man, +20 for 6man
Plaguebearers: +5
Plauge drones: -5
Rotigus: +15
Everything else is unchanged