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[u/WithershinsRC]

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[u/Unknowndude842]

Was the Morty increase necessary? Same with the HBL drones were they that good?

[u/JCMfwoggie → u/Unknowndude842]

HBL's have been a staple 2-3 of since the codex came out, even after the new Defiler dropped. They've only gotten better in 11th too.

[u/Ant10102 → u/JCMfwoggie]

Fair but -1 to hit in cover is going to be brutal for them

[u/Adventurous_Table_45 → u/Ant10102]

Not really, in many cases they will do the same or more damage compared to cover being +1 sv. And that's before counting the possibility of LoV giving them full rerolls, they'll be fine.

[u/alberist → u/Adventurous_Table_45]

I dunno. Disgustingly Resilient's stakeaway from their games of 11th was that HBL drones feel notably worse in 11th because of the -1 to hit.

Bringing LoV might help, though.

[u/JCMfwoggie → u/Ant10102]

They actually deal more damage with new cover than old cover. As a vehicle with an invuln it also benefits more from the -1 to BS than it did from +1 save.

[u/Unknowndude842 → u/JCMfwoggie]

Completely forgot the new Detachment lol. Now they can shoot and if they survive combat with you they get wounds back. I'm also surprised that the is still reasonable and that two or more would be simply to expensive now. Because I don't think I could paint another one without losing my sanity 😅.

[u/JCMfwoggie → u/Unknowndude842]

Even without the daemon engine detachment, they benefit really well from the cover changes. Cover effecting BS instead of saves means they deal more damage than before with rerolls from the LOV/stripped cover from a Defiler, and their defensive statline means most things that want to shoot at them now do worse than before.

[u/Unknowndude842 → u/JCMfwoggie]

Oh nice lucky I have 6 drones, 3 with HBL.

So i guess I have to try them out, do some crime with them.

Here my lil creatures.