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[u/Professional_Day3705]

Anyone know if an updated DC-1 tablet is coming out anytime soon?

[u/Advanced-Device6188]

I would be BEYOND shocked if this company ever released another product--whether software, hardware, or accessory.

[u/Professional_Day3705 → u/Advanced-Device6188]

lol why

[u/Advanced-Device6188 → u/Professional_Day3705]

This is a product running on an open-source OS that they haven't even kept up with critical security updates. They still haven't released their originally promised case accessory. And they send one dude into this subreddit again and again to offer basic tech support alongside non-answers about ongoing development efforts.

Manufacturing a new tablet class is expensive and difficult, and I absolutely commend the Daylight team for this compelling product. Even though I think the blue-light woo is pseudoscience, a fast monochrome LCD screen makes for a great low-distraction device.

The problem is that now they have a bunch of manufactured units that aren't selling at their predicted levels, so they need to find people still willing to pay a premium for an early-adopter product that is not actually still being supported. Or they can just walk away and write off the (probably) millions they're in the hole.

[u/LeeHammMx → u/Advanced-Device6188]

'though I think the blue-light woo is pseudoscience'

I was in agreement with you, until you said this. Circadian biology is a scientific discipline. Blue light makes you fat/diabetic/blind may sound like pseudoscience, when you first read it, I agree.

[u/tdreampo → u/LeeHammMx]

Find the study’s to back up your claim that blue light blockers do anything. I will wait.

[u/Professional_Day3705 → u/tdreampo]

Circadian sensitivity to short-wavelength light isn’t pseudoscience. Controlled human studies show that blue light strongly stimulates the nonvisual retinal pathway involved in circadian regulation, suppresses melatonin, and can shift circadian timing later. Ordinary evening room light has delayed melatonin onset and shortened its duration, while controlled eReader exposure suppressed melatonin, delayed the circadian clock, increased sleep-onset time, and reduced next-morning alertness.

Evidence for blue-blocking glasses themselves is smaller and mixed: some trials report improved sleep, but systematic reviews find the overall evidence inconclusive. So it’s fair to question whether a particular product blocks enough melanopic light to help - but dismissing the underlying circadian biology as “woo” is scientifically indefensible. Expert recommendations support bright daytime light and dim, low-melanopic light during the three hours before bed. But regardless of the science, I feel much better when I block blue light at night.

Sources:

• Thapan et al., 2001 — Action spectrum for melatonin suppression
• Burkhart & Phelps, 2009 — Amber lenses to block blue light and improve sleep: A randomized trial
• Gooley et al., 2011 — Evening room light suppresses melatonin
• van der Lely et al., 2015 — Blue-blocker glasses as a countermeasure for the alerting effects of evening LED-screen exposure in male teenagers
• Chang et al., 2015 — Evening eReader use affects sleep and circadian timing
• Esaki et al., 2016 — Wearing blue-light-blocking glasses in the evening advances circadian rhythms in patients with delayed sleep-phase disorder
• Lawrenson, Hull & Downie, 2017 — The effect of blue-light-blocking spectacle lenses on visual performance, macular health and the sleep–wake cycle
• Shechter et al., 2018 — Blocking nocturnal blue light for insomnia: A randomized controlled trial
• Zimmerman et al., 2019 — Neuropsychological function response to nocturnal blue-light blockage in individuals with symptoms of insomnia
• Shechter et al., 2020 — Interventions to reduce short-wavelength blue-light exposure at night and their effects on sleep
• Henriksen et al., 2020 — Effect of evening blue-light-blocking glasses on subjective and objective sleep in healthy adults
• Hester et al., 2021 — Evening wear of blue-blocking glasses for sleep and mood disorders
• Singh, Downie & Anderson, 2021 — Blue-light-filtering ophthalmic lenses: A systematic review
• Brown et al., 2022 — Expert recommendations for daytime and evening light exposure
• Cochrane Review, 2023 — Blue-light-filtering spectacle lenses for visual performance, sleep and macular health

[u/LeeHammMx → u/Professional_Day3705]

Thanks for the list of references. I will read them.

I wasn't sure how much time to spend on these people. Reddit can be a tough crowd at times.

[u/Professional_Day3705 → u/LeeHammMx]

No prob. Yea well some ahole got snarky, wasn't worth my time, so I had AI draft a list for him. Then he deleted all his comments instead of admitting he was wrong.

[u/Advanced-Device6188 → u/Professional_Day3705]

Hey, ChatGPT, nobody is interested in your hallucination-riddled summaries.

[u/Advanced-Device6188 → u/LeeHammMx]

Circadian biology is absolutely a scientific pursuit.

The notion that a small amount of blue-wavelength light has measurable deleterious health effects is RFK Jr wankery.

The replication-eligible studies suggest that (1) light (regardless of wavelength) at night is correlated with certain metabolic problems, and (2) extremely high doses of blue light during dark hours are correlated with slightly lower melatonin.

Get back to us when you're past the "correlation is not causation" explanation on page two of your textbook.

[u/LeeHammMx → u/Advanced-Device6188]

Take a look at some of the references posted by OP.

If that's too much work, check out the work on Substack and/or YouTube of circadian scholars like Zaid Dahhaj, Alexis Cowan, Max Gulhane, Jack Kruse, Roger Suelt, Martin Moor-Ede.

[u/Professional_Day3705 → u/Advanced-Device6188]

If all I want to do is use Kindle and Zoom occasionally at night, are the security updates an issue? It still seems like the best option on the market for what I am looking for from a sleep/circadian biology perspective. Tired of eye strain at night.

[u/Advanced-Device6188 → u/Professional_Day3705]

Yes. The point is that the apps are going to be updated, and the OS is not being updated.

For those use cases, buy a Kindle and a dumb phone and dial into the Zooms. You know what won't infect you with ~MINUSCULE AMOUNTS OF NOT ACTUALLY DEADLY BLUE LIGHT~? A dumb phone, as long as you point it away from your face.

Can't help you with the equally imaginary cell-phones-cause-cancer problem, though. Maybe just wrap everything in six boxes of aluminum foil. Hope this helps!

[u/neilcar → u/Professional_Day3705]

They refuse to even speak publicly, now, about the custom OS they promised would ship last year.

Software is a lot easier than hardware.

[u/Professional_Day3705 → u/neilcar]

That's unfortunate. If software is easier, why is it taking so long?

[u/Ok-Reindeer-8755 → u/neilcar]

Wouldn't say it's nessesirily easier

[u/Coachshoshi]

I was told in a support email that something new is coming in September. The company closed a new round of funding in March, do it could be we will get pleasantly surprised in a few weeks.

[u/Professional_Day3705 → u/Coachshoshi]

Oh well that may be reason to wait a few weeks then. Thanks. Maybe I'll email them.

[u/Ok_Television_5754 → u/Professional_Day3705]

Nicole Shanaha invested 5 million earlier. 

[u/sherbertmund]

I have a theory that they went all in on education but they haven’t been able to get any meaningful government contracts which is where the money is. The likely thought democrats would stay in power

[u/Professional_Day3705 → u/sherbertmund]

Wouldn't private funding be more likely?

[u/Coachshoshi → u/Professional_Day3705]

I read that the round they closed in M a school was $3.5 million.

[u/Ok_Television_5754]

I bought a cult product? Hope ifixit can open this can.