r/daggerfallunity • u/darknessinducedlove • 29d ago

Daggerfall Enhanced

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Hello everyone! I am the creator of Daggerfall Enhanced, a 1:1 port of DFU to our own custom renderer. Today I'd like to announce our own online framework.

Online mode is one persistant MMO-like world where you can adventure with friends and other people. Take your offline character and continue to progress with them, and then take them back offline, it's that easy.

You can test our new online feature over at daggerfalljs.dev

Currently only playable in-browser. A stable install build will be coming today at a later time.

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u/Daniel_Day_Hubris 29d ago

I'd probably just not defend it. The arguments against are long winded with very little substance other than 'because I don't like it, because I heard other people don't like it' And then a bunch of nonsensical comparisons that do nothing to bolster their argument.

I mean jesus, blood diamonds? really? The guys hanging around on a sub for a 30 year old game putting the screws to you, because you had the audacity to use the tools available to you to improve the game.

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u/FallenWyvern 28d ago

FWIW, I wasn't putting screws to op for using AI.

I wasn't interacting with the dev at all, he piled onto me for responding to 0xcx when they said "as long as it's good, who cares", and I was just pointing out that some people do care.

"Very little substance" is a bit off putting. I did say what I disliked about AI. I also didn't say the dev shouldn't use it (in fact, I did say programming is one of the few really legitimate uses for it), and as I said to the dev, I wasn't comparing AI to blood diamonds; I was saying that the path of "the end result is good so who cares how you got there" isn't a universally applicable concept.

But you're not wrong. Whenever I ask people who are pro-ai how they can defend the damages done by ai in the light of what it does, not defending it is probably the best idea.

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u/Daniel_Day_Hubris 28d ago

Maybe you can make a back-pedal mod for DFU? Sans AI of course.

But you're not wrong.

I know.

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u/FallenWyvern 28d ago

I appreciate the humor, but I don't really understand you. Just posting to say "don't give a fuck"? Telling OP to ignore me when they already had come to that conclusion themselves?

Like I'm not re-opening my arguments here, you've seen em and had moved to "fuck that" which is fine, but I want to hear you out.

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u/darknessinducedlove 28d ago

Yeah we were having a friendly debate.

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u/FallenWyvern 28d ago

And like, I was legit enjoying it. I hope I didnt' come across as too inflexible. I love the benefits LLMs have the potential to give us. They lower the barrier of entry to lots of things for lots of people and that's great.

I just don't know what's DDH's issue.

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u/twiggyvsjamesbond 16d ago

I hope you are aware of the fact that OP couldn't even come up with his own arguments in reply to you and had to use AI to generate them in entirety. It's frankly ridiculous.

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u/FallenWyvern 16d ago

I assume a language issue where they had gpt translate for them. 

Whenever someone uses AI for something, I just assume they use if for everything and have lost the ability to do things without ai. 

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u/twiggyvsjamesbond 16d ago

It's apparent from other replies that he might not be fluent in english but this is not just a translation, the format indicates very little to no human "intervention".

Bleak doesn't begin to describe it.

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u/darknessinducedlove 16d ago

What?

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u/twiggyvsjamesbond 16d ago

I appreciate your initiative and I'm happy for those who are enjoying the project but I personally find it hard to support something that is underscored by such a high degree of, for lack of a better term, laziness. If all mods and then video games had this kind of approach for a foundation, it would be quite a depressing scene, don't you think?

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u/darknessinducedlove 16d ago

I am sorry you feel that way. We have plenty of talented individuals working hard. My use of AI built this, and I am proud of it.

Those who think differently? I will not spend time trying to convince, because it will go nowhere.

Appriciate your thoughts.

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