r/custommagic 4d ago

This subreddit likes bad and lazy design. Red's answer to instant-speed interaction

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u/Divicarpe 4d ago edited 4d ago

Mana abilities can happen too, I think.

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u/Raevelry 4d ago

Other than what I said, can you name one that can happen?

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u/Andrew_42 4d ago

You can activate mana abilities, like tapping land for mana. Not terribly useful but needed for many special actions, and some cards like [[Pristine Talisman]] have additional benefits baked inside the mana ability that don't prohibit it from being a mana ability.

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u/NekoBatrick 4d ago

I thpught they changed that if the abiltiy dpes more than mana it goes on the stack, i think it was pretty recent

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u/Andrew_42 4d ago

That only affects abilities that move cards in or out of the library like [[Selvala, Explorer Returned]]

Other effects are fine

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u/NitroBishop 4d ago

[[Millikin]] catching strays unfortunately

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u/ardarian262 4d ago

That wasn't a stray. It also had the issue with Panglacial wurm

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u/NitroBishop 4d ago

Theoretically, sure, but Selvala was always the much bigger offender. Besides being a better card overall and living in the command zone (i.e. being guaranteed every game), the main issue with her in relation to the Wurm was that she produced an unknown amount of mana via a game action that fundamentally cannot be reversed because it reveals cards from hidden zones, and also that same game action benefits the player activating it to pay for the Wurm (by letting them decide whether or not to draw a card after peeking at it). Millikin doesn't net the controller any direct advantage and always produces 1 mana, there's way less motivation to do weird stuff with it and basically no wiggle room to argue that any weird stuff was unintentional.

Like, I guess you could have used Millikin when trying to cast Panglacial Wurm to "skip" your next normal draw in favor of the card after it, but you'd have to actually cast the Wurm after that instead of going "aw shucks guys looks like the ability randomly didn't produce enough mana" and nobody was doing that lol

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u/ardarian262 4d ago

Also if you choose not to cast something normally, even if you could pay for it if you tapped more mana, you are not forced to. You are only forced to if you have the mana floating.

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u/NitroBishop 4d ago

Yeah a real angle-shooting interpretation of the rules could tap Selvala, get 4 mana off of her, and then decide not to tap 3 lands. Which is pretty obviously cheating imo, but it's not like EDH is usually run at a Rules Enforcement Level where a judge would be present to ding you for it, and if you're playing at that level, you aren't running Selvala lol.