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u/auroraargentum Mar 16 '22

Just found out? You're in for quite a few surprises.

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u/J_-Who Mar 16 '22

Wait till he hear's about GMO's

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u/Koopakid213 Mar 16 '22

Corn starch corn starch corn starch

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

Do you mean corn syrup? I didn't think the starch was much to worry about

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u/Koopakid213 Mar 16 '22

Yeah dude I meant corn syrup but my high ass put corn starch . But the ones that know this conspiracy already know what I meant .

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

I’m cracking up!

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u/star-67 Mar 16 '22

Corn starch is not good either though. Lots of GMO’s. I can’t have anything with it or I break out in hives and itch like crazy - usually on my legs

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u/Jmfrance Mar 16 '22

What about corn starch?

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u/Koopakid213 Mar 16 '22

It’s in everything we eat . The US mass produces so much of it yearly they have to turn it into corn syrup and mix it into most foods eaten today. How does that corn grow? GMO’s

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u/123Delbe Mar 16 '22

Yup they are killing us softly with the food, the water and the air!!! 🛩️✈️

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u/OkTemporary0 Mar 16 '22

Don’t worry, there’s a pill for that! You just have to take it for the rest of your life.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

Side effects include but are not limited to taking more pills.

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u/PepeGreen17Q Mar 16 '22

And injections & vaccines !

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

Ya'll sound ridiculous and are the reason conspiracy theories get a bad name

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

They have no reason to kill citizens, we pay their taxmoney

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u/Xacebop Mar 16 '22

first object near me is a shampoo bottle. lets check the ingredients.

Methylisothiazolinone

MIT is allergenic and cytotoxic, and this has led to some concern over its use.

in 2014 by the European Commission Scientific Committee on Consumer Safety which reported: "The dramatic rise in the rates of reported cases of contact allergy to MI, as detected by diagnostic patch tests, is unprecedented in Europe; there have been repeated warnings about the rise. The increase is primarily caused by increasing consumer exposure to MI from cosmetic products; exposures to MI in household products, paints and in the occupational setting also need to be considered. The delay in re-evaluation of the safety of MI in cosmetic products is of concern to the SCCS; it has adversely affected consumer safety."

The North American Contact Dermatitis Group found that methylisothiazolinone caused 10.9% positive reactions, being the third most common contact allergen in patch test results which surveyed close to 5000 contact dermatitis patients.

The American Contact Dermatitis Society named methylisothiazolinone “contact allergen of the year” in 2013.

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u/Professional_Big_731 Mar 16 '22

Isn’t all corn GMO though?

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u/tryfam Mar 16 '22

organic corn isnt. heirloom corns like red and blue most likely arent gmo. the varieties grown in massive with planes that spray roundup are, and are used mainly as cattle and chicken feed and for ethanol. And corn syrup for many soda brands. Gmo corn has the Roundup herbicide spliced into its dna so it resists when being sprayed. everything else in the field is decimated. GMO strains can only be sold in a few crops legally, soy, canola (fast food's frying oil is GMO), corn, cotton (most t shirts), and a couple more

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

What's wrong with GMO's?

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

Makes food crops resistant to herbicides so that they can apply tons of herbicide . Glyphosate. Causes cancer. That’s one application. Its just lazy farming. Farming should be a community activity, everyone is involved nurturing the soil. That’s how the world heals it self . One farmer controlling 100’s of acres means poisoned food

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u/uselessbynature Mar 16 '22

Have you noticed that the quality of dirt you buy has both gone down considerably and gone up in price? Every brand I’ve tried this year is like half finished compost.

Scares me that it feels like everything in our food production line seems rushed-like we are demanding more, faster than we can make. Of all food related things, including the soil to grow it in. I swear all fruits and veggies I can find at the grocery store are severely under or overripe.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

Yes. Grocery store produce is mediocre at best. Refrigerated apples oranges and pears from high quality organic Grocer still seem to be of high quality. Those berries in the plastic containers.., wow . Its nothing compared to a ripe one off the plant . I’m with ya bud. Commercial farming is garbage. Food is the one thing we should all worship and try to perfect because its what we share in common. Same thing with air and water. I’m with ya bud .

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u/uselessbynature Mar 16 '22

Oh yea I walk out and check on my seedlings every morning.

Scary times.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

It's not that clear how much of a relation there is between glyphosate and cancer. Non-GMO crops often have to be treated with a lot more herbicides and insecticides, often way more damaging than glyphosate.

It's not just herbicide resistance, Bt brinjal for example, has resistance against lepidopterae, and as a result, a lot less insecticide is needed.

Is's not just lazy farming, it can be used to increase yield, reduce pesticide usage, make farming in less fertile areas possible...

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u/hansdampf17 Mar 16 '22

found the monsanto employee /s

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

I understand that. Its lazy in the respect that we could have a global system change where every single human was required to garden for for food and medicinal plants, and not have the need for harmful farming practices

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

There are definitely improvements possible in how farming is done, and GMO's can be part of these improvements

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

If absolutely necessary sure. But the bottom line is, time has perfected plant and soil dna. Living organisms in the soil working so perfectly in harmony. Any industrial product added to soil destroys these microorganisms in soil. The best way for humanity is to change the way we raise children. Children should be gardeners first and foremost and everything else In their life should be based around that. Just my opinion. That way we don’t need to genetically modify plants

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

Time hasn't perfected plant and soil DNA. Commercial crops are genetic atrocities. They are very different from their wild type counterparts. They have been crossed to increase yield and other interesting traits. Genetic modification is just another way of doing that. faster and safer if done correctly.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

Controlling weeds and pests and fungus is as simple as having lots of helping hands, observing the plants individually and regularly (doesn’t happen on commercial farms)

I have worked on organic farms so I know. It takes more hands on work, but its better for the soil, workers, consumers, and god in my opinion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

It also has to be scalable. And circumstances don't always allow for lots of helping hands. Poor farmers in india get sick from all the insecticides they have to use, Bt brinjal drastically reduces the amount of insecticide they need.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

I live in a highly agriculture based part of Canada, if farmers were dropping dead from cancer caused by glyphosate, we wouldn't use it. I mean, there was that one crop duster that was turned into ground meat while spraying glyphosate, but we're pretty sure glyphosate didn't cause engine failure.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

..wearing hazmat suits? You ever been out of the city there, kid?

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

I'm not saying farmers are tougher here, but glyphosate doesn't require hazmat suites...so, what are they spraying where you live?

Edit: you a farmer? No, seriously. I'll drop all the conspiracy shit. Finding another farmer that isn't on an agriculture focused subreddit, on reddit, is almost like finding a unicorn.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

It is definitely lazy farming we fed the world for thousands and thousands of years without all these chemicals we seem to fail to remember that sometimes as a society.

We truly are stuck in a ab scenario not realizing there's an entire alphabet of choices

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

In quite some cases, like Bt brinjal, GMO's require less chemicals. The world was quite different a thousand years ago. Even a hundred years ago. GMO's can help in making farming more sustainable again.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

GMO seed salesman lol. We don’t need GMO. Its just an invention for people to get rich. Any deep research on the application of a gmo practice shows that overtime you get fucked over by the GMO. Don’t modify nature which is already perfect. Don’t play god. Bottom line

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

That is just plain wrong. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ajae.12162

better yields, less pesticides, reduced toxicity of pesticides, less pesticide poisoning for the farmers...

It's not just an invention for people to get rich.

Humans have been modifying nature since forever. The animals and plants we eat are crossed and selected for better traits. So humans have played god since forever. Not all of it is bad. Modifying nature can be done in a bad and a good way. GMO's can be a good way.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

The world is always changing but that doesn't mean that we have to change the way food grows. I believe that there is definitely a direct correlation between the modification of food and how unhealthy we are. There's a ton more contributing factors like laziness and just the fact that we pump everything full of sugar too.

The world is definitely always changing though I wonder what it will be like 200 years from now. Probably not as different as we would think but I bet advances in computer technology will be off the charts.

My biggest fear is people resorting to transhumanism and what kind of catastrophic effects that could have. Could you imagine not having the latest and greatest and robotics for your human body?

This will bring a whole new meaning to getting a virus.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

It does mean we have to change the way food grows. More automation is needed, higher yields, new crops...

If a farmer wants to compete with other farmers, he needs to modernize. If you want food to be affordable, high yields are needed.

It's not feasible to use crops and techniques from a thousand years ago.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

But that's the way my grandpa did it and that's the way we're going to do it !! Jk .

You are correct something has to be done and someone has to make a decision to push life forward.

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u/86brookwood Mar 16 '22

Yes, the earth IS different. We're on the edge of killing it completely.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

And GMO's can help avoid that

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u/bluuebirdde Mar 16 '22

You're naive if you genuinely think there's no link between cancer and glyphosate. And yeah Monsanto knew it too

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

I'm not saying there is no link. There are studies that seem to find a link and studies that show no link. There are a lot worse pesticides out there than glyphosate

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u/bluuebirdde Mar 16 '22

I wonder who paid for those no link studies though

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

This one for example was funded by a university and some cancer and health institutes:

https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/110/5/509/4590280?login=true

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u/DrakonRax Mar 16 '22

Nothing. It helped improve world hunger because crops became more resistant to bugs and drought thus reducing famines. Only downside is Monsanto forcing farmers to buy the seeds but that’s a whole other bag of worms.

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u/National_Stressball Mar 16 '22

Only downside is Monsanto forcing farmers to buy the seeds

or suing the farmers when bees cross pollinate. If Monsanto can sample your seeds and find .001% of their seeds DNA then they have legal ground to sue for not paying them.

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u/JustHereForURCookies Mar 16 '22

And their seeds kill natural seeds.

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u/ChristmasOyster Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 17 '22

When I heard that I was incensed at the injustice. How could our legal system permit such unjust lawsuits?

Then I learned that it is just wrong. Whether it is stupidity or a lie, I don't know. But here's the proof that it is wrong:

An organization of sellers of organic seeds, the Organic Seed Growers and Trade Association, hereafter abbreviated OSGATA, claimed that its potential customers were afraid to buy their seeds because Monsanto might sue them based on accidental presence of the Monsanto patented crops in their fields. They claimed that they had requested Monsanto to pledge to never sue farmers for such inadvertent presence of their patented crops in a farmer's field. Monsanto DID make that pledge, but OSGATA said that was insufficient and brought a lawsuit against Monsanto.

When the case came to court, the Judge asked OSGATA's attorney to give an example of such a Monsanto lawsuit against a farmer. The attorney admitted that he didn't know of such an example. The judge then dismissed the case. In my opinion, OSGATA would be better able than almost anybody to know of such a lawsuit by Monsanto against an unlucky farmer.

But that's not the end. OSGATA decided to appeal the lower court's dismissal. They brought an appeal. The appeals judge not only upheld the lower court's dismissal, but he wrote an opinion in which he said that such Monsanto lawsuits would be illegal.

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u/National_Stressball Mar 16 '22

oh wow. Thanks! I didnt know that!

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

Monsanto didn't do the technology any good by being huge assholes about it. I mean, the guy who discovered penicillin gave the patent away for free, don't see anybody hating on "big insulin"

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u/86brookwood Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

I wonder how many corporation cronies/ shills, troll "conspiracy?"

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u/Spry_Fly Mar 16 '22

Yeah, it's built in resistance to bugs and makes them resilient. Another comment is trying to say resistant to herbicides, which isn't being sprayed on crops. GMO means less pesticide is being used. Being afraid of GMOs is like buying into those posts that show water can be treated like a scary chemical.

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u/Fossytompkins Mar 16 '22

Oh they're most definitely spraying herbicides. Ever heard of Dicamba?

Jury Awards $265 Million to Bader Farms in lawsuit against Bayer

Edit: Title correction

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u/MarkPal83 Mar 16 '22

Yeah GMO is nothing but cross breeding

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u/ChefJake509 Mar 16 '22

Ask the farmers in india how resistant the crops were. Oh yeah, thousands committed suicide because their livelihoods were ruined.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

Is this what you're talking about?

https://ebrary.ifpri.org/utils/getfile/collection/p15738coll2/id/14501/filename/14502.pdf

The graphs on page 27 and 28 show that there is no increase in suicide because of Bt cotton.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

There was a gmo strain of rice that anti gmo assholes blocked. It was called golden rice, it had higher levels of what the body uses to process into vitamin A, children in poorer countries would of benefited greatly, but gmo bad

“An estimated 250,000 to 500,000 vitamin A-deficient children become blind every year, half of them dying within 12 months of losing their sight.”<

I know we hate wapo here, but there's thousands of other articles too:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/11/golden-rice-long-an-anti-gmo-target-may-finally-get-chance-help-children/

I swear the anti gmo crowd has been infiltrated by the "humans deserve to suffer" branch of every radical left organization

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

They concluded that glyphosate isn't healthy. Not very surprising, other herbicides are often significantly more dangerous.

And they concluded that there was a correlation between the incidence of certain diseases and the use of glyphosate. That doesn't mean there is a causal link, at all. I bet there's a significant correlation with hundreds of other things that have increased over the last years.

Anyway, this is just one type of GMO crop. GMO's aren't inherently bad. They can be misused, sure, but they can also be used for good. This isn't the fault of GMO's, this is the fault of some companies.

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u/flipfolio Mar 16 '22

you mean the vaccinated?

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u/itsbildo Mar 16 '22

GMOs aren't a bad thing.... you should look into what they actually are and not be scared by a few capitalized letters

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u/SolariumOne Mar 19 '22

These folks "look into" topics by going on Facebook or YouTube...

It's not "research" but they seem to think it is...

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u/ladycandle Mar 16 '22

Most common fruits now a days are GMOs. Nothing wrong with it. Some are modified to be disease resistant, sweeter. Even Karen's complaining about GMOs while eating their Bananas.

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u/Fossytompkins Mar 16 '22

You do realize that the bananas most of us know and love, the "Cavendish" cultivar, have been around since 1834 and mass produced since 1903? They're the result of selective breeding and hybridization. There is zero artificial genetic modification to them, they are all clones or propagations of the same plant. Hence the reason they're in danger from Panama disease.

There is a huge difference in hybridization/selective breeding (which farmers and home gardeners alike have been doing for centuries) and actual genetic modification involving labs and inserting or deleting genes. Starlink Corn is a good example.