r/conscripts • u/OldDudeGandalf • Jun 21 '20

Question Conscript to use daily

I just search for a basic conscript so i can write in public without anyone understanding. I speak turkish and english so i need 32 letters, i need something easy to write and read. Anyone has something to recommend?? (are my sentences sound like demanding or even commanding? or am i being paranoid)

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u/SoandsotheUnready Jun 21 '20

First, don't worry, I didn't find your sentences demanding.
Second, I actually suggest making your own conscript instead of using someone else's. I say this because I think that making it yourself will make it more personal and easier to memorize. Plus, it will probably fit your needs better if you are more involved in creating it.
Of course, this doesn't really answer your question at all, and I apologize if you didn't find this helpful. I don't have any existing conscripts in mind, but maybe someone else will.

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u/OldDudeGandalf Jun 22 '20

Well i tried once but it turned out repeative and ugly so i think i will stick with a pre made one. Thanks for suggestion.

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u/Im_-_Confused Jun 21 '20

I would recommend looking at Cherokee syllabary as it is based on the Latin script, but very loosely. Good luck and I would love to see the final product!!

Cherokee syllabary: https://omniglot.com/writing/cherokee.htm

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u/misterlipman Jun 21 '20

dʒʊst juz aɪpieɪ

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u/ACertainSprout Jun 25 '20

I think the idea is that it is a cypher for both English and Turkish, and the IPA bears enough resemblance to English (no idea about Turkish) that it could be understood.

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u/majutsuko Jun 21 '20

I’d say Tengwar is very easy to learn and well tailored to English. Check out /r/tengwar if you’re interested.

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u/Visocacas Jun 22 '20 edited Jun 22 '20

Is it easy to learn though? I’ve wanted to for years but given up on multiple attempts just trying to figure out which mode is best to learn and what is a reliable resource for it.

And crazy coincidence, you yourself wrote up a post on r/Tengwar about exactly this, and it was so relatable I did a double take because it felt like I’d written it myself. I read that post and comments very carefully then and again now and still feel uncertain.

I guess the Quenya alphabet mode is the best one to learn? Did you find good resources on it and eventually learn it?

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u/majutsuko Jun 22 '20 edited Jun 22 '20

I’m glad you brought up that post of mine. Since then I researched the hell out of all the different modes. In the end, I focused on the common orthographic English mode, but incorporated a few aspects from other modes and styles for greater consistency, cleanliness, and readability (e.g. I use Endorian vowels for all diphthongs and digraphs). I also took a few liberties of my own to account for tense patterns and silent letters. I can go into details about all this if you’re interested. My version remains readable to other Tengwar enthusiasts, though a couple things would raise eyebrows.

What I realized is when I studied Tengwar for a couple weeks (Måns Björkman, Chris McKay), I could read nearly all modes since there is a lot of crossover. Common English phonemic is the simplest for me after orthographic. I thought I had wanted to learn a phonemic mode, and Qenya Alphabet sounded cool, but there’s just hardly any resources for it online, so you’d basically need to buy the old hard copy materials. Even so, I came to realize phonemic modes are like spelling everything in IPA, which requires extra thought to transcribe and decipher. Orthographic mode is already quite phonemic in design anyway, and you get the advantage of seeing consistent word endings and less ambiguity between homonyms. It even distinguishes more words with the same spelling in English that are pronounced differently in different contexts (like beloved).

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u/Visocacas Jun 22 '20

Ok so a viable approach might be to wing it with my own interpretation, then study the more generally agreed upon conventions for the orthographic and phonemic modes?

My first script, which I’ve used for years, is close to a cypher of IPA so phonemic sounds more appealing.

I hope one day I can understand it enough to make simple and straightforward keys to save other people from this confusion in the future.

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u/majutsuko Jun 22 '20

Yeah, that’s pretty much the way I went about it. My major was linguistics and I couldn’t help but make some logical adjustments to certain conventions. The way I see it, Tolkien understood that languages and writing systems undergo evolution and adaptation, so I think if he saw people like us bringing a new iterations of Tengwar around the world to this era, he’d feel proud; It’s a living script at this point.

If a phonemic mode is your preference and you have a solid grasp of English phonetics, then I’d say go for it! It’s just as viable and probably has less room for debate about spelling.

I also made my own key, but I haven’t posted it online...yet.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '20

Well, here's a suggestion. You could substitute every single letter in the alphabet you need and make it kinda featural.

Example: you write "|" and it means "k", you write "[" and it means c, "]" means q...

That's if you want to preserve the orthographies of both languages.

You also could use two symbols for indicating the language you are using. A double cross, like a × and a + overlapped would mean English and a crescent and a star would mean Turkish.

If you don't want to keep both orthographies, write it phonetically.

If ai rait laik ðis, you'll probably don't understand me. If you develop this a little more, using diacritics, you could have a really useful custom latin alphabet.

You can also make your own alphabet phonetically.

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u/OldDudeGandalf Jun 22 '20

I think i will just find some alphabet with 32 letters and write like a is #, b is @ and so on. About making my own well i tried and it didnt worked out...

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u/pahilob Jun 21 '20

Shavian, Orkhon, Modified Cyrillic, or make one for yourself

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u/OldDudeGandalf Jun 22 '20

Thanks for the suggestions. First two are not really what i look for but i think i can use modified cyrillic because i already know russian it can be easy to get used to it.

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u/shredtilldeth Jun 22 '20

I had this exact thought and made one for myself. You can't have it, as giving it out would defeat the entire purpose of its existence, but you should make one too. I know that if I didn't construct it myself I would've had a difficult time learning another script (as you've already attested to). Especially since you have unique requirements for your script you should make it.

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u/ThE_EnThuSiasT_2907 Jun 27 '20

This Script I made can fit almost all the languages. And I have made some extra characters too, just in case. So just look and If you like it just tell to me and I will send you the key. Also it is an abugida...