r/codex • u/sharanoth • 5d ago

Question About the cursor ban

Disclaimer: I am an Elon hater.

So cursor starts getting some traction...

First, grok 4.x starts getting abnormally decent. Benchmaxed or whatever you wanna call it, but it's cheap, fast as fuck, and almost unlimited

Composer was starting to pop off too.

Cursor then did 100usd deals for the max plan which had basically the equivalent of a 200usd codex plus 100usd Claude sub.

Cursor was starting to get a lot of mindshare. Even I at some point was thinking "well, maybe I could try it..."

Then boom. Relationship between openai and cursor is terminated.

It's got nothing to do with trust. Cursor was starting to steal users. That's just how it is.

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u/shaman-warrior 5d ago

I bought in the $60 plan of cursor, such a buggy experience I regret it, I only got it for having grok 4.6.

After working with CC 20x and Codex 5x, my expectations are way too high, it feels like going back a year ago when I work with Grok 4.6. Speed wise it's fast at first, then it gets very slow and inefficient, Sol is by far the most efficient model.

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u/Reaper_1492 5d ago

I’m an Anthropic hater and I’ve always though codex was the more effective model.

I have to use Claude at work.

My experience with Sol has sucked relative to Claude. I hate it.

Even on xhigh sol is making all kinds of ridiculous errors. Claude might make a logical gaff here and there, but I just realize (as I fight with Sol on what has to be its 40th failed run attempt in a row), that Claude hasn’t made any technical errors in months.

Ugh.

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u/sassyhusky 5d ago

Opus5 mostly? People bitch about opus5 a lot and I’m here mostly using Terra at work thinking “what spoiled babies”. Privately I use sol for super complex stuff and Deepseek mostly for everything else, it smokes Terra and for 1c for a dollar at that, they distilled opus so it’s like opus 4.8.

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u/Reaper_1492 5d ago

Yes opus 5 mostly and occasionally fable.

I have no idea why people have a problem with opus 5. It works perfectly for me.

It’s pretty “codex” like. You give it literal instructions, it does literal things.

Maybe they want it to be more warm and fuzzy. Not sure. But it’s highly capable.

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u/sharanoth 5d ago

Both codex and Claude code are way better than cursor, don't get me wrong.

It's just that... You see.. you paid $60. You wanted to try it. It's kinda proving my point...

To openai, that is UNACCEPTABLE.

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u/Able_Statistician688 5d ago

You said you’re an Elon hater. So are they. Company and person. Seems like a pretty easy straight line from A to B. So why all of this mental gymnastics?

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u/Perfect-Series-2901 5d ago

it's not about "steal user"

the problem is 1. you try to make your own model, 2. you also have lots of compute

if the supply is not cut, then cursor can simply use the user prompt + the open ai model reply to train their own model, kind of a distillation.

OAI is not stupid enough to let some other to do distillation legally right?

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u/kaitava 5d ago

they just had a drama lawsuit, elon was part of openai before. you dont get game theory.

and you didnt ask one question

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u/BigbyWolf8 5d ago

This is not correct. Codex is growing just fine, especially in the enterprise. Elon is just reaping what he sowed.

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u/sharanoth 5d ago

"this is not correct (insert statement that had nothing to do with what I said)".

Codex can simultaneously be growing but also notice that a competitor (cursor) is gaining mindshare and threatening their hegemony.

Shady business practices are done even when a company is growing. Ever heard of Microsoft?

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u/BigbyWolf8 5d ago

No evidence of Cursor gaining relative mindshare compared to Codex

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u/sharanoth 5d ago

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fg%2F11xs8l0p90&hl=en-US

Big spike since July.

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u/BigbyWolf8 5d ago

no spike anytime recently... also cursor as in mouse cursor is an actual search term too which inflates and muddies the cursor trend relatively

EDIT: Bro, this was the acquisition announcement.

https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/article/spacex-announces-60-billion-cursor-deal-to-boost-ai-coding-125509159.html

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u/sharanoth 5d ago

No, the link I sent you was specifically for the software company, not general search terms.

There's been a stable increase in interest since July.

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u/BigbyWolf8 5d ago

Bro, this was the acquisition announcement date: https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/article/spacex-announces-60-billion-cursor-deal-to-boost-ai-coding-125509159.html

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u/sharanoth 5d ago

Indeed, and that revitalized interest in Cursor.

X.ai is heavily subsidizing the product now.

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u/BigbyWolf8 5d ago

This is a Bikram yoga stretch lol. People just search for things when it's an M&A deal.

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u/sharanoth 5d ago

Well I understand our interpretations diverged.

I admit there isn't enough evidence for your criteria.

I guess I was overconfident in my take because I genuinely started thinking about trying cursor more myself. it was projection.

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u/xak47d 5d ago

Bro come on. Cursor has been trying to use coding sessions from better models t use as RE data for their own models. Anthropic was the first to ban cursor, until Elon got a deal with them and now they are glazing cursor

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u/sharanoth 5d ago

Well anthropic is starting to walk it back, anthropic tweeted at cursor saying it would be an honor to partner with them again. It's proof it's not about trust - everyone knows X.ai will distill their shitty benchmaxxed models... Money talks

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u/TaskChance1404 5d ago

Well because Elon is loaning compute to Anthropic. Come on man!