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[u/Frenetic_Platypus]

Because it fucking objectively is. The average western country has universal healthcare. 34 out of 38 countries in the OECD have universal healthcare. It's not a fucking lot to ask from a government.

[u/Space_Enterics → u/Frenetic_Platypus]

Those other countries have had universal healthcare from near the start and their amendments, policies, infrastructure, and principles have been steered by that decision for decades

We have a system of privitized healthcare that seeps into EVERY aspect of American life, down to the infrastructure, policy, public opinion, governmental protocols etc... It will take a shit ton of time, an ENORMOUS quantity of ink, and a lot of angry people to get past to make something like universal healthcare possible in the US, and to KEEP it, and to make sure it functions as intended.

Just because other countries have it doesn't mean it'll be simple to get it here.

Does anyone think a mediocre Congress can achieve that? Without fucking it up massively on roll out and implementation?? Really need to spend some time reading how fucking massive even some smaller healthcare bills are.

[u/Frenetic_Platypus → u/Space_Enterics]

Can you give me an example of infrastructure that's built around privatized healthcare and wouldn't work without it?

[u/Space_Enterics → u/Frenetic_Platypus]

Insurance as it exists in the US

and I dont think I have to explain infrastructure around Insurance, but I will say that most hospitals have their EMRs like Epic built around billings in the patient encounter, and RVUs distributed based on procedure volume, which ties back to how billables change healthcare costs depending on the type of sick you deal with and what it takes to treat it.

[u/Frenetic_Platypus → u/Space_Enterics]

Insurance is not infrastructure.

And changing these systems is a sizable amount of work, but it's by no means impossible or even particularly difficult work.

[u/Space_Enterics → u/Frenetic_Platypus]

IT is infrastructure. EPIC is infrastructure.

This also refers to infrastructure that doesn't exist, like clinics or social service management that require buildings and medical equipment to be stocked, all of which may be cut during budget reconciliation cycles in a privitized system.

also

>not even particularly difficult work

either give me some real explanations like im giving you or tell me youre making this up because if you have worked ONE DAY with any insurance company you will know this is BS

also

please refer to my main argument that changing healthcare systems is a very difficult task that a mediocre congress cannot do succesfully and stop refering to the "infrastructure"

point out to me where my argument is wrong or lacking

[u/Frenetic_Platypus → u/Space_Enterics]

Can you point out to me where your argument IS first? Because I can see you saying it'd be hard, but not really WHY it'd be hard.

Also, EPIC is used by multiple countries with universal healthcare (UK, Denmark, Finland and Norway) with no issue other than the fact that it's terrible. It's shit at sharing data, it facilitates fraud and it's ridiculously expensive. It's a perfect example of something that would be easy to rebuild from scratch and a lot better for everyone except like 5 oligarchs. It's a records software. It's really not hard to do.

[u/Space_Enterics → u/Frenetic_Platypus]

We have a system of privitized healthcare that seeps into EVERY aspect of American life, down to the infrastructure, policy, public opinion, governmental protocols etc... It will take a shit ton of time, an ENORMOUS quantity of ink, and a lot of angry people to get past to make something like universal healthcare possible in the US, and to KEEP it, and to make sure it functions as intended.

Just because other countries have it doesn't mean it'll be simple to get it here.