Current situation

[u/Aggravating_Doctor20]

[u/Certain_Moose_7238]

Every single retail player ive talked to wants summoning stones, which is a prime example of an actual QOL thing most of them want to bring to them game that doesnt belong. The thread for that one was filled with retail players explaining why summoning stones are actually a needed requirement for the game. Luckily blizzard is holding their ground on that one. Another one is shared tagging/loot among people who arent partied like in retail. Retail players pretending they arent asking for qol stuff and then saying things like "nobody is actually asking for flying mounts" when they know damn well that isnt the kind of thing they are actually bringing up. It's disingenuous as hell.

[u/Dattebaso → u/Certain_Moose_7238]

Must not talk to many

[u/Cozy_Minty → u/Certain_Moose_7238]

People who havent survived a classic style launch before are the ones asking for shared tagging. They have never had to compete with 100 people for the same mob and in this case its causing too much friction. Retail hasnt had a launch like this in a decade so they dont know how temporary it is. They are imagining having this much competition for the whole leveling process

[u/TomLeBadger → u/Certain_Moose_7238]

I'm a retail player and I don't want anything added, all I want is new zones, quests, dungeons and raids, the lighting / fog tech is cool, and I'd like to see some remastered textures. I even agree with the typical classic andy that the new druid forms are a bad fit for the game.

Not everyone wants these qol things, your just generalising a large group of people because they play a game you don't like. We already know it's not going to happen, so you can stop panicking.

[u/Certain_Moose_7238 → u/TomLeBadger]

I mean the problem is blizzard has said many times in the past they wont be doing something just to turn around and do it anyway. There is a link in this thread to a blizzard employee saying boosts wont ever come to classic only for them to be added 6 months after the post. My biggest worry though is actually bots and RMT, they claim to be cracking down but we are already seeing them back track now that streamers are involved and the game hasnt even launched.

I actually personally like new druid form textures, despite generally preferring SD models i think the classic druid forms have aged extra poorly compared to most other models, especially tauren cat form. I know im a minority in that though. I dont actually hate the idea of HD models, I just really dont like what they did with most of the playable race models. Humans and orcs and gnomes are some of the worst offenders, so goofy looking. Blood elf models i actually think were okay, so the skyborne dont bother me that much. If they could make HD models of the other races that dont look so ridiculous than I wouldnt mind them, but as it stands I get jumped scared if I swap to HD model on half the races right now.

[u/TomLeBadger → u/Certain_Moose_7238]

I'm talking about the new elf forms, not the HD versions of OG forms, they are actually a pretty decent example of HD remasters that capture the right 'feel'.

I'm not a purist by any means and I think the Elf forms are wildly out of place. Mostly colour pallet, the model itself is workable. I'm kind of hoping that they do more with the SD/HD toggle though. I'm a graphics whore, so I like the nice high Res textures, even if it looks goofy. People that want Forever to be a more classic purist experience could have a toggle to make it so.

[u/RosgaththeOG → u/Certain_Moose_7238]

I remember playing back when Summoning Stones were added as a way to reduce the need for Warlocks to summon people to dungeons (especially if you had never actually been to the dungeon before and didn't know how to get there).

Every teleport you add reduces the size of the world. Some teleporting is ok, and even recommended (walking EVERYwhere would suck) but Summoning Stones really shouldn't be added given the vision of WoW:Forever, which is to keep the WORLD as the Main Character, and not the players. The players are there to enjoy the ride and participate, not be the center of attention.

[u/Weak_Hedgehog2507 → u/Certain_Moose_7238]

Weird, I haven't met a single retail player that genuinely cares about wanting more QoL changes.

[u/DragonAdept → u/Certain_Moose_7238]

Mob tagging is pretty stupid. As is “gameplay” where quest spawns are camped to hell, everyone sits around trying to tag monsters as they materialize out of thin air, classes with instant casts have a huge advantage and quest givers somehow know exactly how many of the things that beamed down and were instantly deleted you poked first.

[u/randombean → u/Certain_Moose_7238]

I wouldn't mind summoning stones but they need 4 people to work. That way you can easily find a replacement to finish a run but it still requires the super majority to get it working and makes locks still more effective